2023 Trade Deadline Thread: Conley/VanVleet/Lowry/etc. (Updated thread)

[esqtvd]

PRETTY MUCH ALL-IN

the future is now

Read on Twitter

[MartinToVaught]

PRETTY MUCH ALL-IN

Read on Twitter

Fire the whole front office right now if that was an actual proposal on the table. That would have been the second-worst trade in NBA history only behind the PG trade. Imagine still being stuck with Reggie and Wall on this team in addition to Kyrie's toxicity, but not having Luke or Mann.

Thank you, Mavs, for saving our front office from themselves. These guys are just like GM Doc: they don't value draft picks and young players, just flashy names.

[madmaxmedia]

PRETTY MUCH ALL-IN

Read on Twitter

Fire the whole front office right now if that was an actual proposal on the table. That would have been the second-worst trade in NBA history only behind the PG trade. Imagine still being stuck with Reggie and Wall on this team in addition to Kyrie's toxicity, but not having Luke or Mann.

Valuewise the trade offer was fine IMO, depending on the pick swap years. But yeah I really would not have liked having all 3 on the team (even though we know Wall is gonna be traded or bought out.), and generally that would have been a really risky trade. Theoretically high ceiling, but really low floor.

We still would have needed to add salary though, so probably Wall goes as part of it.

[MartinToVaught]

I bet the extra salary would have been RoCo. This front office will do literally anything besides move on from Lue's favorite players, no matter how much worse the team gets.

[KL2]

That’s awful. I hope that’s not right. Sheesh.

[esqtvd]

PRETTY MUCH ALL-IN

Read on Twitter

Fire the whole front office right now if that was an actual proposal on the table. That would have been the second-worst trade in NBA history only behind the PG trade. Imagine still being stuck with Reggie and Wall on this team in addition to Kyrie's toxicity, but not having Luke or Mann.

Valuewise the trade offer was fine IMO, depending on the pick swap years. But yeah I really would not have liked having all 3 on the team (even though we know Wall is gonna be traded or bought out.), and generally that would have been a really risky trade. Theoretically high ceiling, but really low floor.

We still would have needed to add salary though, so probably Wall goes as part of it.

Wall, Morris, RoCo necessary for salary ballast. Maybe all 3. Reggie if they wanted him but we still need a backup PG and Reggie is fine there. This was not about trading away assets, only prospects.

Mann and Kennard are young but already over 25 and still not even legit NBA starters. They may never be. Neither one can play backup point guard either. I'd trade them straight up for Dinwiddie [18/5/3, 45%/40%] in a Brooklyn minute. Finney-Smith is an adequate 30+ mpg minutes-eater too, with efficiency numbers similar to Mann's and he's 6'7". The Nets owner wanted guys who can play now and start in the playoffs alongside KD. Dallas offered the better deal.


Us trading away more of the draft future was far more dramatic. Tells you where Ballmer's at. And it tells Kawhi to please stick around after his contract expires after next year ['24-25 is a player option].

Tick...tick...tick, baby. Shows you Ballmer realizes it. And this is an in-between year with no clear favorite. Go for the gusto. The future is now.

[KL2]

Well. Now teams know what the Clippers are willing to offer. They’ll hold out for a similar package if they come calling.

Bad business for the Nets to be leaking the trade packages too.

Read on Twitter

[Roscoe Sheed]

At least they would have kept Powell.

I'm just happy the trade didn't go down because Kyrie seems toxic in every situation. How long can the positive mood really last in Dallas? We know it is Luka's team, but does Kyrie know that?

[esqtvd]

At least they would have kept Powell.

I'm just happy the trade didn't go down because Kyrie seems toxic in every situation. How long can the positive mood really last in Dallas? We know it is Luka's team, but does Kyrie know that?

Yeah, Powell has really come around, seems a really solid guy and is locked up for THREE MORE YEARS after this one for under $20M per. Now HE's an untouchable.

Mann and Kennard are "young" only by Clipper standards—already over 2̷5̷ [correction--26! 27 at the start of next season] and still not even legit NBA starters and may never be. Kennard makes around $14M already and Mann makes $11M starting next year.

Nobody's beating down our doors for them. They're quite touchable. That's why Ballmer has our draft future for the rest of this decade on the table too. HIS draft future!!

And yes--I'd be really pissed at the Nets leaking our offer. But that's what happens when you go to a fire sale. All rules are off. The Nets owner went all-in on KD and Kyrie and Harden and trading for Ben Simmons and is just trying to get out with his skin now.

Just trying to survive here and will do whatever it takes--he'll apologize later. And this is why you should never gamble with a desperate man.

[nickhx2]

Well. Now teams know what the Clippers are willing to offer. They’ll hold out for a similar package if they come calling.

Bad business for the Nets to be leaking the trade packages too.

Read on Twitter

nets are such a total mess. absolutely treacherous to be doing any sort of business with them. the fact that our ninja silent front office actually engaged with them probably shows how desperate they are to make an earth-shattering move.

too bad they can't see the forest for the trees and see they just need a couple decent ones to make things roll.

[esqtvd]

Well. Now teams know what the Clippers are willing to offer. They’ll hold out for a similar package if they come calling.

Bad business for the Nets to be leaking the trade packages too.

Read on Twitter

nets are such a total mess. absolutely treacherous to be doing any sort of business with them. the fact that our ninja silent front office actually engaged with them probably shows how desperate they are to make an earth-shattering move.

too bad they can't see the forest for the trees and see they just need a couple decent ones to make things roll.

And yes--I'd be really pissed at the Nets leaking our offer. But that's what happens when you go to a fire sale. All rules are off. The Nets owner went all-in on KD and Kyrie and Harden and trading for Ben Simmons and is just trying to get out with his skin now.

Just trying to survive here and will do whatever it takes--he'll apologize later. And this is why you should never gamble with a desperate man.

Maybe Ballmer's a little desperate too. Went to the fire sale and offered up most of our draft future on top of Mann and Kennard. Of course it was going to get out.

Terance Mann is the future.

This did not age well.


As if the Nets would start Terance Mann at point guard alongside Kevin Durant in the playoffs. Or ever.

[esqtvd]

if true I'll trade ours to the Suns for theirs

Read on Twitter

[Clemenza]

Fire the whole front office right now if that was an actual proposal on the table. That would have been the second-worst trade in NBA history only behind the PG trade. Imagine still being stuck with Reggie and Wall on this team in addition to Kyrie's toxicity, but not having Luke or Mann.

Valuewise the trade offer was fine IMO, depending on the pick swap years. But yeah I really would not have liked having all 3 on the team (even though we know Wall is gonna be traded or bought out.), and generally that would have been a really risky trade. Theoretically high ceiling, but really low floor.

We still would have needed to add salary though, so probably Wall goes as part of it.

Wall, Morris, RoCo necessary for salary ballast. Maybe all 3. Reggie if they wanted him but we still need a backup PG and Reggie is fine there. This was not about trading away assets, only prospects.

Mann and Kennard are young but already over 25 and still not even legit NBA starters. They may never be. Neither one can play backup point guard either. I'd trade them straight up for Dinwiddie [18/5/3, 45%/40%] in a Brooklyn minute. Finney-Smith is an adequate 30+ mpg minutes-eater too, with efficiency numbers similar to Mann's and he's 6'7". The Nets owner wanted guys who can play now and start in the playoffs alongside KD. Dallas offered the better deal.


Us trading away more of the draft future was far more dramatic. Tells you where Ballmer's at. And it tells Kawhi to please stick around after his contract expires after next year ['24-25 is a player option].

Tick...tick...tick, baby. Shows you Ballmer realizes it. And this is an in-between year with no clear favorite. Go for the gusto. The future is now.

Dinwiddie has his moments but I'm giving the edge to Kennard and Mann. DFS is a generic 3 and D guy he's a solid player but he's not a game changer. Him and Dinwiddie don't have the x-factor heroics like Mann going for 30 and doing all the grunt/dirty work for the team. Or Kennard getting hot and we comeback after being down 20+ points for a victory. Dinwiddie and DFS are definitely good solid players but you're not getting anything out of the box from those two.

But yeah I get going after Kyrie since PG & Kawhi's championship window is getting smaller and smaller to barely cracked open. Ballmer wanted the sure thing instead of still waiting around for the team to gel and show some kind of chemistry and consistency.. meanwhile we're only a few games above .500 and can't hold a 20 point lead to save our lives. It was either that or simply trying to shoot the price up so the Lakers don't get him. Can't trade Mann though. He's like the heart and soul of the team now imo

[Clemenza]

The positive is that Mann and Powell are still on the team but now its back to reality..

Read on Twitter

[esqtvd]

Valuewise the trade offer was fine IMO, depending on the pick swap years. But yeah I really would not have liked having all 3 on the team (even though we know Wall is gonna be traded or bought out.), and generally that would have been a really risky trade. Theoretically high ceiling, but really low floor.

We still would have needed to add salary though, so probably Wall goes as part of it.

Wall, Morris, RoCo necessary for salary ballast. Maybe all 3. Reggie if they wanted him but we still need a backup PG and Reggie is fine there. This was not about trading away assets, only prospects.

Mann and Kennard are young but already over 25 and still not even legit NBA starters. They may never be. Neither one can play backup point guard either. I'd trade them straight up for Dinwiddie [18/5/3, 45%/40%] in a Brooklyn minute. Finney-Smith is an adequate 30+ mpg minutes-eater too, with efficiency numbers similar to Mann's and he's 6'7". The Nets owner wanted guys who can play now and start in the playoffs alongside KD. Dallas offered the better deal.


Us trading away more of the draft future was far more dramatic. Tells you where Ballmer's at. And it tells Kawhi to please stick around after his contract expires after next year ['24-25 is a player option].

Tick...tick...tick, baby. Shows you Ballmer realizes it. And this is an in-between year with no clear favorite. Go for the gusto. The future is now.

Dinwiddie has his moments but I'm giving the edge to Kennard and Mann. DFS is a generic 3 and D guy he's a solid player but he's not a game changer. Him and Dinwiddie don't have the x-factor heroics like Mann going for 30 and doing all the grunt/dirty work for the team. Or Kennard getting hot and we comeback after being down 20+ points for a victory. Dinwiddie and DFS are definitely good solid players but you're not getting anything out of the box from those two.

But yeah I get going after Kyrie since PG & Kawhi's championship window is getting smaller and smaller to barely cracked open. Ballmer wanted the sure thing instead of still waiting around for the team to gel and show some kind of chemistry and consistency.. meanwhile we're only a few games above .500 and can't hold a 20 point lead to save our lives. It was either that or simply trying to shoot the price up so the Lakers don't get him. Can't trade Mann though. He's like the heart and soul of the team now imo

ok if you say so but Ballmer doesn't

BTW Dinwiddie is averaging 24 points a game over his last 10
Finney-Smith is averaging 12
Mann is averaging 7

not a tough call for the Nets
________________________

LATE ADD--hold that thought, Tom lol

Read on Twitter

[PeteyPablo]

Dinwiddie is a nice player. Where will he fit in with the Clippers ?

As a starter , replacing Mann?

Kyrie was originally Clippers pick if they still had the pick and wanted to draft him but as we all know Clipper gave that pick away to Cleveland.

Right now a quality big man would be my pressing issue and then a quality PG if they can work out a deal.

[MartinToVaught]

if true I'll trade ours to the Suns for theirs

Read on Twitter

Making this team even older, slower and more injury-prone than it already is doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

[PeteyPablo]

Chris Paul as great as he is , ALWAYS got hurt in the playoffs. We have Batum, Covington and Morris. No need for Crower.

[KL2]

https://cavaliersnation.com/2023/02/06/cavs-insider-offers-updates-on-teams-interest-in-josh-hart-luke-kennard-and-josh-richardson/

There will be lots of rumors of course. This one says the Cavs are interested in Kennard.

[ejftw]

Kennard would be a perfect floor spreader for Cleveland but they have nothing that helps, unless Rubio can step in as a starting PG.