2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[POLI]

If the suns had actually traded 3 1sts for Kyrie I think I would have just been done with this team lol

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Not only that. In addition, we need more depth and trading two players and picks for just one would have been a disaster.
Also, Kyrie pairing with Booker is not a good idea.

[POLI]

They can match anything. But it depends on a lot of things as far as cap goes. Saric and Crowder expire for about $20 million. And then they could cut Paul and have a $15 million hit instead of $30.

Unless they trade Crowder for future salary...that might hinder it a bit. I think if they don't trade Saric they will probably resign him at very good value this summer, like $5 million a year.

Yes, they can "match". But they'll be the same mediocre team or worse.

Are you looking forward to "Cam Johnson, Mikal Bridges, Devin Booker" as the new big 3?

Let's be honest for a second here, the Achille's heel for the Suns is Ayton. Suns isn't winning anything with Ayton. The current core players didn't win and won't win. The Suns need to make a move.

Or are you one of "run it back" type of people...

It depends on what my alternatives are. I think Bridges is a FAR different and more assertive player than he was a year ago and Ayton is also less tentative. It has resulted in both of them having some bad shooting games, but at the same time, it has increased their confidence to take more shots instead of passing them up. They have developed chemistry themselves with Book out and will be better complementary pieces when Book comes back.

Now, big 3? I think the whole "big 3" thing is stupid, as is started with the Celtics, and then the Heat, but usually you need 1 star and a couple of borderline all stars or 2 stars. Now is Book a big enough star type player to have two or three super solid players around him and could win, like Giannis and Joker and Doncic probably could? Maybe not, but I don't know that trading Ayton and Bridges gets us some star. It certainly hurts our depth. You can't really find two bigger stars than LeBron and AD but we've all seen what happens when you sacrifice depth to get that second star.

I firmly think a lineup of Book/Bridges/Cam/solid PF/Ayton could beat anyone. Not that they would be championship favorites, but one team in the mix.

If it's Book/35 year old injury prone KD, and Cam Johnson with limited depth beyond that and no real good C, I don't know that I see that team going far either.

Very solid explanation.
But I think Booker cannot be our PG.

[Sunlight]

Ruin your future by bringing injured and injury prone 34,5 year old KD here

When the Heatles were piled up the ages were 26, 26 and 28.

Leaked trade offer by JJ which included only veterans CP3 and Crowder tells me everything.

Booker, Bridges and AYTON stays here a while.

[sunsbg]

Suns should add to the core, not gamble like the Mavs did. It could turn out to be a win if they go to the finals(doubtful) or even win it(very unlikely), but it's still a gamble being that Mavs are not a hot FA destination. They could easily end worse next season and lose Luka. I guess they had to gamble in their situation, which is very different than ours.

[Fo-Real]

If we alienated Chris Paul AND don't plan on having him after this season, we might as well cut off that arm before it gets septic. I know it sucks but Westbrook is a HUGE expiring and possibly also brings a pick or two. See if Westbrook meshes and if not, let him sit the rest of the season,, then sign and trade him this summer or let his 47 million dollar hole open for us to spend on a guy, maybe D Lo. The dude averaged a triple double, he sucked since going to the Lakers. Paul, Crowder, Saric for WB, Toscano-Anderson and picks. Or also make them take Shamet and form their side, try to pry Walker and or Rui from them. Not what anyone wants but I'M SAYING IF....... Paul is alienated and we killed our chemistry, then we should pour a little gas on it and see where it goes. Core of Book, Bridges, Cam and Ayton, and a healthy Cam Payne played very well as a starter with Chris out, we see what Westbrook morphs into and react accordingly.

[BobbieL]

Ruin your future by bringing injured and injury prone 34,5 year old KD here

When the Heatles were piled up the ages were 26, 26 and 28.

Leaked trade offer by JJ which included only veterans CP3 and Crowder tells me everything.

Booker, Bridges and AYTON stays here a while.

In the article Shams wrote this:

With new owner Mat Ishbia set to take over the Suns this upcoming week, Phoenix has emerged as an intriguing organization to monitor ahead of the Feb. 9 deadline. The Suns want to continue building around All-NBA star Devin Booker, center Deandre Ayton and forwards Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson. However, the future of Chris Paul is uncertain beyond this season as Paul has a partial guarantee of half of his salary for next season.


So yes, to your point, the Suns are building around the young core. And that Paul contract --either 16 to not play or 31 to play.

If Paul is truly ticked off - I am sure something can be made with the Clippers or Lakers.

But as BWG pointed out - Paul knows the NBA is a business and he knows about his contract and he probably knows Irving would have been an upgrade possibly

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[Sunlight]

Ruin your future by bringing injured and injury prone 34,5 year old KD here

When the Heatles were piled up the ages were 26, 26 and 28.

Leaked trade offer by JJ which included only veterans CP3 and Crowder tells me everything.

Booker, Bridges and AYTON stays here a while.

In the article Shams wrote this:

With new owner Mat Ishbia set to take over the Suns this upcoming week, Phoenix has emerged as an intriguing organization to monitor ahead of the Feb. 9 deadline. The Suns want to continue building around All-NBA star Devin Booker, center Deandre Ayton and forwards Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson. However, the future of Chris Paul is uncertain beyond this season as Paul has a partial guarantee of half of his salary for next season.


So yes, to your point, the Suns are building around the young core. And that Paul contract --either 16 to not play or 31 to play.

If Paul is truly ticked off - I am sure something can be made with the Clippers or Lakers.

But as BWG pointed out - Paul knows the NBA is a business and he knows about his contract and he probably knows Irving would have been an upgrade possibly

We are fans, so it makes sense to want to see something happen all the time rather than not. That's why team sports with a salary cap are so interesting and cause so much passion. However, Suns is not the biggest market area, so if there is even some kind of results that the young core is able to make, it will be kept together. It's natural. The new owner will really help to not selling the best players in the future, as has been done in the past. In my opinion, that in itself is a big deal at least for a while, and this current young core really deserves to show what they can do when their prime age is coming.

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Oh boy that’s pretty interesting. Kind of contradicts what Shams said about us losing interest quickly and the Nets not liking our offer.

I would imagine the Nets just didn’t want to send him here or LA, so the Mavs became the leaders by default when they made an offer.

Pretty nice of Haynes to double check with Paul first.

I bet the Suns aren’t actively poking to trade Paul until the off-season, but this random Kyrie opportunity was too big of a name to pass up on.

I still think we ultimately end up fairly quiet this trade deadline, but this trade offer gives us a major clue as to what will go down this offseason (as if we didn’t already know)

[BobbieL]

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Nets leaked to Haynes

Haynes tells Paul

Could be the Suns didn't talk to Paul at all. Or maybe they did and that part of the story has not been told

The Suns are not leakers - so I think Hollinger is probably correct.

We will know today - if Paul is out, he is mad and they trade him. If he plays tomorrow - he probably is on the roster and they roll!

[dremill24]

The drama mongering is strong lol

Guys get mentioned in trade rumors every day. If they all threw a fit and stopped playing when that happened there would be no league. Hell, CP has been rumored and traded multiple times. Maybe we shouldnt be trying to speak organizational strife into existence?

[Fo-Real]

The drama mongering is strong lol

Guys get mentioned in trade rumors every day. If they all threw a fit and stopped playing when that happened there would be no league. Hell, CP has been rumored and traded multiple times. Maybe we shouldnt be trying to speak organizational strife into existence?

Everyone talks a good game about "being a pro". And I would even say they do their best to soldier through it, but you can't deny that it usually directly effects players games when stuff like this comes put. Maybe it hurts their confidence, or feelings or whatever. But production usually goes down initially when the wound is fresh. Maybe not on purpose but still usually.

[BobbieL]

The drama mongering is strong lol

Guys get mentioned in trade rumors every day. If they all threw a fit and stopped playing when that happened there would be no league. Hell, CP has been rumored and traded multiple times. Maybe we shouldnt be trying to speak organizational strife into existence?

Everyone talks a good game about "being a pro". And I would even say they do their best to soldier through it, but you can't deny that it usually directed effects players games when stuff like this comes put. Maybe it hurts their confidence, or feelings or whatever. But production usually goes down initially when the wound is fresh. Maybe not on purpose but still usually.

In the report - it doesn’t mention the suns may have talked to Paul first
Plus he has been around the league - teams do make trades. Paul has been traded four times now

I think Haynes is trying to create something possibly

Suns also have think long term. Is it better to use the Paul contract now … and it might be

He will end up in LA if traded - either straight trade or buyout

[Slim Charless]

This obviously conflicts with any KD pursuit.

Which, if you believe all of this and we didn't give cp3 a heads up, is the point by the Nets. They wanna sour things over here so while we're dealing with internal strife, we can't bother/tamper about KD.

If this is true, it makes our next game (vs Brooklyn of all teams lol) and quite frankly our next 72 hours very interesting.

That scorched earth approach to stop us from "bothering/tampering" about KD is a great way to destroy a good chunk of goodwill you might with like 29 other teams

If things are bad and this is an if...would you guys do the LAL trade?

We get Westbrook and let's say 1 of those picks for cp3 and Crowder? Maybe the latter pick, 2027....

I don't know what I'd say to that, probably yes I suppose. If we have a mad Chris Paul might as well get assets from him. Can use that LAL pick for another trade.... though it appears that KD is off the table. Can't trust the Nets would work with us after this.....

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[BobbieL]

Which, if you believe all of this and we didn't give cp3 a heads up, is the point by the Nets. They wanna sour things over here so while we're dealing with internal strife, we can't bother/tamper about KD.

If this is true, it makes our next game (vs Brooklyn of all teams lol) and quite frankly our next 72 hours very interesting.

That scorched earth approach to stop us from "bothering/tampering" about KD is a great way to destroy a good chunk of goodwill you might with like 29 other teams

If things are bad and this is an if...would you guys do the LAL trade?

We get Westbrook and let's say 1 of those picks for cp3 and Crowder? Maybe the latter pick, 2027....

I don't know what I'd say to that, probably yes I suppose. If we have a mad Chris Paul might as well get assets from him. Can use that LAL pick for another trade.... though it appears that KD is off the table. Can't trust the Nets would work with us after this.....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Brooklyn Nets likely leaked the packages they were offered for Kyrie Irving by the Lakers and Suns out of spite and to create turmoil in their the locker rooms. <br><br>This is significant because, if Durant were to become available, it&#39;d be unlikely they deal him to Phoenix. <a href="https://t.co/7S9vmC74bM">pic.twitter.com/7S9vmC74bM</a></p>&mdash; Unbiased NBA Fan (@nonbiasednbafan) <a href="

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I would do the Westbrook trade if I could get the Lakers to maybe take Shamet as well to really clear cap space.
But still - if there is a trade with paul going to the Lakers - I think the Suns would be getting Rozier and possibly Hayward back

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Buy really low opportunity (IF Paul must go after this) to get an All NBA level defender and facilitator??
I personally would do it and run him at the 4 (defensively) in a Draymond Green type of role to minimize his current shooting/confidence deficiencies. He could come in handy in the playoffs as a switchable elite defender against the Luka's, Kwahi's, George's and Giannis's of the league! He's got two years left, But would be a massive expiring for us in 2024! Again, I only suggest this in interest of playing him at the 4, similar to how Golden state utilizes Green defensively and as a secondary frontcourt playmaker! And because his value is so low that it wouldn't really cost us any significant assets!

And IF we'd truly have no interest ourselves, Perhaps we could acquire him and then flip him in a three way trade to Toronto for Van Vleet and Anunoby or for Van Vleet and Trent? Or maybe to Utah for some combination of Sexton, Vanderbilt, Olynyk or Sexton, (Beasley or Clarkson), and Vandy?

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We knew that!

[WeekapaugGroove]

****, if they were willing to trade for Kyrie then ANYTHING is possible this week. Get your yolo trade ideas out there

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