Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[Zeno]

reports are that unofficially ibasha (the new owner) is calling shots now.

Yeah, I don't think we're waiting on the Suns. Teams are likely waiting on the Raps. Masai is all about the waiting as is almost always a good policy for a seller.

They’re waiting on the Nets.

Our leverage has plummeted over the last couple of days.

I think the Fred's market has improved. OG is right about the same and Pascal's market has taken a hit because of KD speculation.

[HumbleRen]

Yeah, I don't think we're waiting on the Suns. Teams are likely waiting on the Raps. Masai is all about the waiting as is almost always a good policy for a seller.

They’re waiting on the Nets.

Our leverage has plummeted over the last couple of days.

I think the Fred's market has improved. OG is right about the same and Pascal's market has taken a hit because of KD speculation.

I don’t think FVV’s market improved at all.

OG and Siakam’s took a big hit.

Most of these contenders with assets are going to wait until summer to make a play for KD. Teams like the Lakers and Nets will probably make a play for FVV or GTJ but they have nothing of value outside of picks.

I think Masai just stands pat unless the Grizzlies don’t believe they have a shot at KD and settle for OG.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Yeah, I don't think we're waiting on the Suns. Teams are likely waiting on the Raps. Masai is all about the waiting as is almost always a good policy for a seller.

They’re waiting on the Nets.

Our leverage has plummeted over the last couple of days.

I think the Fred's market has improved. OG is right about the same and Pascal's market has taken a hit because of KD speculation.

No one knows anything. The Raptors went dark after leaking out that they're accepting offers for OG. None of the local media that travelled with the team have anything new to report. Collect the bids and then make decisions at the deadline.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Warriors are about to miss the playoffs with a 200 mill payroll. Oh, you can bet the FVV market just heated up.

[TDotAllStar]

Siakam and OG took a hit in value but this deadline is very interesting because this years title is still wide open. I understand why people think that KDs situation affects us but it does also put pressure to win this year. Wherever KD goes the odds for them to compete go way up, with the west wide open there’s pressure to win this year before KD decides in the offseason.

Pascal and OG have value but only if we make moves before the deadline.

[NotMyKawhi]

MU isn't the guy he use to be. Ppl like to ignore how horrible he's been post championship.

Lost Kawhi and Danny Green for nothing
lost Ibaka and Gasol for nothing
Lost one of the greatest Raptors in history lowry
2 bottom 7 finishes
Set up a team that's gonna be a tax team if you keep it together this summer and is bottom 7

Scottie Is his best move post ship and its hard to not mess up a top 5 pick. MU isn't who you thought he was

[Zeno]

They’re waiting on the Nets.

Our leverage has plummeted over the last couple of days.

I think the Fred's market has improved. OG is right about the same and Pascal's market has taken a hit because of KD speculation.

I don’t think FVV’s market improved at all.

OG and Siakam’s took a big hit.

Most of these contenders with assets are going to wait until summer to make a play for KD. Teams like the Lakers and Nets will probably make a play for FVV or GTJ but they have nothing of value outside of picks.

I think Masai just stands pat unless the Grizzlies don’t believe they have a shot at KD and settle for OG.

I don't think KD availability effects a team like the Grizz or Pels interest in OG so the market is unchanged. I think the Nets are now really set up to go after Fred and possibly Gary too. For example Fred, Gary for Dinwiddie, Cam, Harris plus Philly '27, Mavs '29. This might be attractive to Masai because it preserves the salary slots next year at current salaries. Not a Sharpe fan at all but I'm sure we could get him too.

[Zeno]

They’re waiting on the Nets.

Our leverage has plummeted over the last couple of days.

I think the Fred's market has improved. OG is right about the same and Pascal's market has taken a hit because of KD speculation.

No one knows anything. The Raptors went dark after leaking out that they're accepting offers for OG. None of the local media that travelled with the team have anything new to report. Collect the bids and then make decisions at the deadline.

Of course just speculation from us know nothings.

[HumbleRen]

I think the Fred's market has improved. OG is right about the same and Pascal's market has taken a hit because of KD speculation.

I don’t think FVV’s market improved at all.

OG and Siakam’s took a big hit.

Most of these contenders with assets are going to wait until summer to make a play for KD. Teams like the Lakers and Nets will probably make a play for FVV or GTJ but they have nothing of value outside of picks.

I think Masai just stands pat unless the Grizzlies don’t believe they have a shot at KD and settle for OG.

I don't think KD availability effects a team like the Grizz or Pels interest in OG so the market is unchanged. I think the Nets are now really set up to go after Fred and possibly Gary too. For example Fred, Gary for Dinwiddie, Cam, Harris plus Philly '27, Mavs '29. This might be attractive to Masai because it preserves the salary slots next year at current salaries. Not a Sharpe fan at all but I'm sure we could get him too.

Disagree. I think Pels are one of the best suiters for KD.

They have Ingram, young prospects and a plethora of picks. They put together the best package for KD if they wanted too. It’s not a do or die season for them. They can stand pat and go for the bigger fish in KD.

As for that Nets package you laid, I honestly think Masai would rather re-sign FVV and GTJ then do that trade but we’ll seeZ

[Tha Cynic]

Harris, Patty Mills, Cam Thomas, Philly '27, Dallas '29 for Fred, Khem.

Is FVV really worth that much on the trade market as an expiring contract?

[StopitLeo]

Curry went down for the Warriors, wait for them to call about Fred.

They have a limited Championship window so it would make sense. Kuminga is probably the main guy of interest.

So Fred for Kuminga with salary filler on both sides.

People probably want to squeeze out a pick out of them but Moody, Lamb, or Baldwin Jr. being filler might have to suffice.

[MoMoneyMoProbs]

Warriors are about to miss the playoffs with a 200 mill payroll. Oh, you can bet the FVV market just heated up.

What kind of package do you see GSW putting together?

[MoMoneyMoProbs]

Curry went down for the Warriors, wait for them to call about Fred.

They have a limited Championship window so it would make sense. Kuminga is probably the main guy of interest.

So Fred for Kuminga with salary filler on both sides.

People probably want to squeeze out a pick out of them but Moody, Lamb, or Baldwin Jr. being filler might have to suffice.

Think GSW would look to dump Wiseman too? They aren't really enamored with him

[Zeno]

Harris, Patty Mills, Cam Thomas, Philly '27, Dallas '29 for Fred, Khem.

Is FVV really worth that much on the trade market as an expiring contract?

To the Nets who have no space to sign him I think so.

[HumbleRen]

Curry went down for the Warriors, wait for them to call about Fred.

They have a limited Championship window so it would make sense. Kuminga is probably the main guy of interest.

So Fred for Kuminga with salary filler on both sides.

People probably want to squeeze out a pick out of them but Moody, Lamb, or Baldwin Jr. being filler might have to suffice.

Lmaoooooooooooooooo.

They ain’t trading Kuminga for FVV.

They’d do Wiseman and Moody.
Wiseman is going to cost them like 30M next year because of them being over the luxury tax.

[mtcan]

I don't see GSW wanting Fred at all. They already have Jordan Poole who is probably better than Fred.

They might want OG...which would also be interesting.

[Tha Cynic]

I've been thinking about this impending deadline with the assumption that OG and perhaps Fred are the likely trade candidates, but upon hearing Samson Folk's pros and cons of trading either one of Fred, OG, and Trent, a few new considerations have popped into my head.

I think Trent continues to be a safe bet to remain. Assuming that agent and front office have spoken and that Trent is cool with a number in the low 20's, I think you absolutely re-sign him.

Now if OG's issue is only about getting more touches and not having to point out to Nurse in hotel hallways that Fred isn't letting other guys bring up the ball, we can solve that by trading Fred.... and Siakam.

Selling high on both, we could theoretically reset the team culture around Scottie, OG, Trent, and Achiuwa and round out the roster to our liking with the trade returns. Shipping out Fred and Siakam would also shatter the existing sacrosanct pecking order, totally resetting it for an offense revolving around Scottie. We'd have that young core and a wealth of assets and picks to build upon going forward.

The tale going round is that OG is looking to get his extra touches elsewhere, but at this point I'm super curious about just how impactful the player disgruntlement issues may be and how it may determine who must leave. If not for those stories of his disgruntlement, there'd really be no reason to trade OG right now.

To me the idea that OG wants to be moved because he wants more touches doesn't make sense. The teams that would trade for him most likely have better offensive weapons than the Raptors do and OG would be in a much more apparent 3+D role. I stand by my take that he's not happy with how this offense is run rather than specifically more touches, and as you said, you solve that by trading our two ball stoppers. You can kind of live with GTJ as he's more of a 6th man mindset and he has at times shown willingness to pass when the whole team does it.

[Duffman100]

MU isn't the guy he use to be. Ppl like to ignore how horrible he's been post championship.

Lost Kawhi and Danny Green for nothing
lost Ibaka and Gasol for nothing
Lost one of the greatest Raptors in history lowry
2 bottom 7 finishes
Set up a team that's gonna be a tax team if you keep it together this summer and is bottom 7

Scottie Is his best move post ship and its hard to not mess up a top 5 pick. MU isn't who you thought he was

1. We won a title
2. We made it to game 7 of the second round (neither had much value anyways)
3. We got precious
4. Championship hangover
5. He hasn't kept it together yet, so you can hold something against him that he hasn't done.

Just a terrible terrible take.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Curry went down for the Warriors, wait for them to call about Fred.

They have a limited Championship window so it would make sense. Kuminga is probably the main guy of interest.

So Fred for Kuminga with salary filler on both sides.

People probably want to squeeze out a pick out of them but Moody, Lamb, or Baldwin Jr. being filler might have to suffice.

Lmaoooooooooooooooo.

They ain’t trading Kuminga for FVV.

They’d do Wiseman and Moody.
Wiseman is going to cost them like 30M next year because of them being over the luxury tax.

The 200 mill is circling the drain and you think he's grabbing for penny's?

[Tha Cynic]

All the leaked Kyrie trade offers should reinforce how it “takes two to tango”. People love to criticize the front office as if they are sitting on their hands when it is more likely that they are trying to improve the team but simply cannot find a deal that works (from each teams’ valuation of the trade).

Does Kawhi being traded here mean other teams dropped the ball? No, it just says the Spurs preferred our package and that doesn’t even mean our package had the most value necessarily.

While it has been reported that the Raptors weren’t going to make moves until the road trip ended that doesn’t mean they weren’t taking offers. This isn’t like selling a house.

the spite factor is one that I find interesting, where teams will reject a better offer for non-basketball reasons. Can't complain though, that certainly played a part in us getting Kawhi.

If more teams don't do this, more players will demand they be traded to LA. There are other players who have asked to be traded there and haven't had their wish.