Kyrie Irving, Markieff Morris to Mavs for DFS, Spence, 2029 1st and 2027 and 2029 2nds

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A hungry Kyrie Irving who is trying to prove everyone wrong is a very scary proposition for the playoffs.

You don't want to be on the other end guarding him. He'll show you what 27 PPG looks like.

This is true but how much will he give up on the other end?

People complained about Din’s defense all the time but I think Kyrie is even worse.

You’re wrong , engaged Kyrie plays good defense and offense wise your games gonna be bananas with him and Luka taking turns

So you’ve got honeymoon month ahead and Mavs will be amazing to watch, what’s after that only Kyrie knows and don’t try to understand

One of the best Mavs analysts agrees with you.

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People have no clue how bad Dinwiddie's defense actually is. Here is a direct 1v1 comparison on defense when it comes to guarding matchups. Kyrie is so much better than Dinwiddie, who was basically the worst defender on the team along with guys like THJ.

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[arkuo]

So back to basketball

Is it set that Green si the starting 3, or would that be Bullock?

Who cna we realitically target via trade to round out the starting 5? We need a PF and C? Dont think Dallas should keep Wood with irving as we need betetr guys in the lockeroom

IMO Green should start. Bullock is on his way out too.

The more I'm thinking Wood starts at PF and Powell at C. That's how Kidd would do it IMO. Not that I agree with it.

If I had a choice I'd start Wood at C. You need shooting all around.

[dirkules_41]

Hilarious, got to love posters who laugh at their own jokes. No not a Trump guy, but not a baby killing liberla supporter like im sure many of the non Texas or even America for that matter" Mavs fans" are on this board

I dont understand why people kepe bringing Gren into this. Green and DFS can play at the same time because DFS is so versatile he can play the 4. No one else on this team can other than Maxi.

Ok Cowboy, holster your republican colts and focus on basketball.

Why would we bring DFS into this? Well...
1. because it turns out he was a part of this deal
2. he was somewhat expandable due to Greens play. The word "expandable" doesn't occur too often when it comes to talking about the other starters. And if Brooklyn wants a 3&D wing then it's down to Bullock (who surely they don't want), DFS or Green. And that's an easy decision to make then for the Mavs. Plus salaries obviously also have to match

If you are going to be condescending, then read first. I said bringing up Green, not DFS. of course DFS was part of the deal. But now we have no one to play PF. The FO couldnt even ask for Yuta instead of Morris. So if they wouldnt take Wood or Bullock, you walk, considering you're giving up an unprotected first when Luka may not even be here.

We have Kleber and Wood to play PF. DSF should've never played PF other than in some specific smallball lineups imo. He was consistenly worse as a PF than as a SF imo.
It would certainly be good though to get another athletic defender type PF in.

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If Bullock could be packaged with THJ for a decent center 7'0 tall with a 3 then you got to add that and there is no other thing we would need to grab.

AJ is needing more looks and he is 6'6" so probably a better SF option to use behind Green than Hardy who will probably play behind Luka and Kyrie if he can also distribute and show his handles are developing. Green may play 2 some as well but I like Hardy there instead of the 3. AJ is shooting well enough to be a keeper and just needs to be developed more. Wood may be able to play the 3 if we wanted to play Max and Powell out there together at the 4/5. Would be a different look similar to what Utah did by going big in a recent game against us. If that worked defensively it would be worth using to burn some time as you rested Luka and Kyrie.

Who plays at the 1/2 when both are sitting? Green and Hardy. Frank Pinson LOL. IF THJ and Bullock get dealt then we are full in on Green plus developing Hardy and AJ. Just need to target some role players that can hit 3's and defend in free agency. Bertan's at SF is also a thing to try for a bigger defense. We need to jump out to leads earlier in games and work to improve our defense to hold them and then we will go further.

The 3 is covered I think if we needed to play Luka there and have Kyrie carry it up that is always a simple solution to create a solution for a temporary mismatch. Center is the real area we need to focus on and there we might be able to solve that with a trade. SAN won't want trash for Poeltl and ditto Portland for Nurkic but we have a 1st to offer. I would hold onto Hardy and Green and keep them off the table though because both will be worth a lot more next season and we need to use our assets more wisely. AJ is further along in his development than Hardy now but Hardy has a bigger upside with his ability to drive and penetrate the D to create his own shot.

The defense would work better when we play 2 bigs but to start the game Wood at center may be the more potent offensive approach to use for creating a quick lead that creates more pressure on the other team.

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Will be interesting to see who gets minutes tonight.

[daoneandonly]

Ok Cowboy, holster your republican colts and focus on basketball.

Why would we bring DFS into this? Well...
1. because it turns out he was a part of this deal
2. he was somewhat expandable due to Greens play. The word "expandable" doesn't occur too often when it comes to talking about the other starters. And if Brooklyn wants a 3&D wing then it's down to Bullock (who surely they don't want), DFS or Green. And that's an easy decision to make then for the Mavs. Plus salaries obviously also have to match

If you are going to be condescending, then read first. I said bringing up Green, not DFS. of course DFS was part of the deal. But now we have no one to play PF. The FO couldnt even ask for Yuta instead of Morris. So if they wouldnt take Wood or Bullock, you walk, considering you're giving up an unprotected first when Luka may not even be here.

We have Kleber and Wood to play PF. DSF should've never played PF other than in some specific smallball lineups imo. He was consistenly worse as a PF than as a SF imo.
It would certainly be good though to get another athletic defender type PF in.

Agree to a certain extent, but Wood is not a good defender despite the # of blocks, he is on his 7th team for a reason, defense + attitude. We cant rely on him anymore than we can Kyrie

[dirkules_41]

But Kyrie is a anrcisst and lunatic, he's poison. No one ever questioned his skill, its everything else about him. Luka is already immature, so brinign Kyrie next to him is foolish.

Not to mention Morris who is a punk like his brother

If he was normal, Nets would have wanted 4 unprotected FRPs and young prospects.

Then no reaosn to also take Morris who's brother tried to break Luka's ankle, ask for anyone else on a similar contract

Well we evidently were in a competitive bidding situation, not the best time to let a transformative deal fall through over which roleplayers are included.

And what does Morris have to do with his brothers actions? I mean yeah they're both pseudo tough guys and I keep confusing them but... he's a different person

[Bob8]

If you are going to be condescending, then read first. I said bringing up Green, not DFS. of course DFS was part of the deal. But now we have no one to play PF. The FO couldnt even ask for Yuta instead of Morris. So if they wouldnt take Wood or Bullock, you walk, considering you're giving up an unprotected first when Luka may not even be here.

We have Kleber and Wood to play PF. DSF should've never played PF other than in some specific smallball lineups imo. He was consistenly worse as a PF than as a SF imo.
It would certainly be good though to get another athletic defender type PF in.

Agree to a certain extent, but Wood is not a good defender despite the # of blocks, he is on his 7th team for a reason, defense + attitude. We cant rely on him anymore than we can Kyrie

Didn't you say that fans should support their team? You are hating half of Mavs roster at the moment.

[daoneandonly]

We have Kleber and Wood to play PF. DSF should've never played PF other than in some specific smallball lineups imo. He was consistenly worse as a PF than as a SF imo.
It would certainly be good though to get another athletic defender type PF in.

Agree to a certain extent, but Wood is not a good defender despite the # of blocks, he is on his 7th team for a reason, defense + attitude. We cant rely on him anymore than we can Kyrie

Didn't you say that fans should support their team? You are hating half of Mavs roster at the moment.

This is supporting it, wanting guys who play both sides and not cause issues in the locker room. These guys are millionares and get to play the greatest sport in the world for a living, they should be the happiest people in the world. Yet some guys have zero motivation or just need drama in their life.

We havent even discussed the fact that Kyrie is routinely injured, plays less than KP

[daoneandonly]

If he was normal, Nets would have wanted 4 unprotected FRPs and young prospects.

Then no reaosn to also take Morris who's brother tried to break Luka's ankle, ask for anyone else on a similar contract

Well we evidently were in a competitive bidding situation, not the best time to let a transformative deal fall through over which roleplayers are included.

And what does Morris have to do with his brothers actions? I mean yeah they're both pseudo tough guys and I keep confusing them but... he's a different person

Theyre both the same kind of garbage, no regard for the other player on the court, take a cheap shot when possible. At least marcus is playable and decent, markieff sucks

[dirkules_41]

Then no reaosn to also take Morris who's brother tried to break Luka's ankle, ask for anyone else on a similar contract

Well we evidently were in a competitive bidding situation, not the best time to let a transformative deal fall through over which roleplayers are included.

And what does Morris have to do with his brothers actions? I mean yeah they're both pseudo tough guys and I keep confusing them but... he's a different person

Theyre both the same kind of garbage, no regard for the other player on the court, take a cheap shot when possible. At least marcus is playable and decent, markieff sucks

Well I guess at least that's one less player taking cheap shots against Mavs now

[Mavrelous]

So back to basketball

Is it set that Green si the starting 3, or would that be Bullock?

Who cna we realitically target via trade to round out the starting 5? We need a PF and C? Dont think Dallas should keep Wood with irving as we need betetr guys in the lockeroom

That's interesting question, Bullock and DFS was a tandem, they covered for each other and communicated with each other, and created a defensive monster last year with Maxi, this year it didn't work, but it was bound to start, now Green has better foot speed, Bullock has more exerience and quick hands, we'll see how it goes from here.
I expect the Wood/Maxi/Luka/Green 4 man group to have a good net rating, and with Kyrie to have crazy net rating, if Maxi is healthy as before and Kyrie fully buys in.

[Mavrelous]

Kyrie will got from "Shoot it Ben!" to "Why did you shoot it Tim?!"

[Bob8]

Agree to a certain extent, but Wood is not a good defender despite the # of blocks, he is on his 7th team for a reason, defense + attitude. We cant rely on him anymore than we can Kyrie

Didn't you say that fans should support their team? You are hating half of Mavs roster at the moment.

This is supporting it, wanting guys who play both sides and not cause issues in the locker room. These guys are millionares and get to play the greatest sport in the world for a living, they should be the happiest people in the world. Yet some guys have zero motivation or just need drama in their life.

We havent even discussed the fact that Kyrie is routinely injured, plays less than KP

Team decided that Kyrie is the best option available for them. We can only hope that this works. The same goes for your other "favourites", Wood, Bertans, Green..., but they're not essential like Kyrie. Your only hope as Mavs' fan is that Kyrie works.

[Mavrelous]

Reading into Dinwiddie's going out of lineup and into the lineup vs GS, tells me the team called off a certain trade and agreed afterwards, I wanted to pay less, but you can't always get what you want, with some luck, we may get what we need...

[arkuo]

ESPN analysts made a good point about Luka and his willingness to give the ball up early in the shot clock for Kyrie to do his thing.

Normally Luka would give up the ball late in the shot clock for a kick out 3 or a lob. Getting Kyrie changes the whole dynamic of that. i would like to watch these two together more so I can comment further.

[daoneandonly]

Didn't you say that fans should support their team? You are hating half of Mavs roster at the moment.

This is supporting it, wanting guys who play both sides and not cause issues in the locker room. These guys are millionares and get to play the greatest sport in the world for a living, they should be the happiest people in the world. Yet some guys have zero motivation or just need drama in their life.

We havent even discussed the fact that Kyrie is routinely injured, plays less than KP

Team decided that Kyrie is the best option available for them. We can only hope that this works. The same goes for your other "favourites", Wood, Bertans, Green..., but they're not essential like Kyrie. Your only hope as Mavs' fan is that Kyrie works.

The irony or even hypocrisy of you calling me out for criticzing players onour favorite teams. You pretty much bash anyone but Luka, even brunson was a terrible fit until he left, then he was crucial somehow.

[Mavrelous]

Looks like Brooklyn is not done trading

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[dirkules_41]

Looks like Brooklyn is not done trading

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Lol, Townsend coming up with some crackpipe ideas. But yeah I could see Brooklyn bundling our players with the 1st round pick they have to something like TOR.

[Bob8]

This is supporting it, wanting guys who play both sides and not cause issues in the locker room. These guys are millionares and get to play the greatest sport in the world for a living, they should be the happiest people in the world. Yet some guys have zero motivation or just need drama in their life.

We havent even discussed the fact that Kyrie is routinely injured, plays less than KP

Team decided that Kyrie is the best option available for them. We can only hope that this works. The same goes for your other "favourites", Wood, Bertans, Green..., but they're not essential like Kyrie. Your only hope as Mavs' fan is that Kyrie works.

The irony or even hypocrisy of you calling me out for criticzing players onour favorite teams. You pretty much bash anyone but Luka, even brunson was a terrible fit until he left, then he was crucial somehow.

Not exactly the truth. I said that Brunson is not great fit with Luka, because he was basically small Luka and they were both below average defenders. I always believe they should kept him, because he was essential, when Luka wasn't playing or having off night.

I was always critical about Mavs don't doing enough to improve their roster. You just can't have 10 role players doing the same thing. They did something at last and I can't do anything else except support them. I hope they do few more trades.

You on the other hand are hating more than half of the roster and Mavs direction after trading for Kyrie. I can't even imagine how you will you watch Mavs games after this trade.