Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[Johnny Bball]

Looked gassed all game and played very dumb for the first few quarters. Last game of a 7 game road trip and the whole team was probably ready for it to end. He definitely found another gear in that 4th.

He needs to work on that stamina. All those minutes that Nurse is giving him will hopefully lead to better stamina and longer spurts like this.

Showed once again how he can take over a game like no one else on this team.

Was a good thing, because he was mostly responsible for the hole they dug in the first 4 minutes on both ends, Kid has got to get up for the start of the games. Especially on the road where he's been real borderline. Strong finish though.

[Reeko]

but scottie's soft and not aggressive enough

I'll keep saying until he stops being a part time player in these games.

Showing up for 1 quarter isn't moving me brev.

A 21 year old who pretty regularly shows up in the 4th quarter and dominates some of the best defenders the league has to offer, that doesn’t move you?

A 21 year old who is one of the most efficient players in the league during crunch time, that doesn’t move you?

There are a lot of stars in this league that can carry a team for the first 3 quarters or 43 minutes, but so few of them rise to the occasion consistently in the final minutes of the game. That is one of the rarest and most sought after qualities that a player can possess.

[C_Money]

Its so weird with Scottie, like sometimes I think he’s a future All-star for sure and then other times I think he’s got no chance in hell. By next season it should be more clear.

[Fairview4Life]

but scottie's soft and not aggressive enough

I'll keep saying until he stops being a part time player in these games.

Showing up for 1 quarter isn't moving me brev.

A 21 year old who pretty regularly shows up in the 4th quarter and dominates some of the best defenders the league has to offer, that doesn’t move you?

A 21 year old who is one of the most efficient players in the league during crunch time, that doesn’t move you?

There are a lot of stars in this league that can carry a team for the first 3 quarters or 43 minutes, but so few of them rise to the occasion consistently in the final minutes of the game. That is one of the rarest and most sought after qualities that a player can possess.

We aren’t going to win many games if he goes 1-7 for 3 quarters, even if he goes 6-8 in the 4th. No one should be all that worried, he’s 21 and apparently trying out new stuff in games. But carrying a team for 3 quarters is actually super important lol. No crunch time for him to take over if we’re down 20.

[Reeko]

I'll keep saying until he stops being a part time player in these games.

Showing up for 1 quarter isn't moving me brev.

A 21 year old who pretty regularly shows up in the 4th quarter and dominates some of the best defenders the league has to offer, that doesn’t move you?

A 21 year old who is one of the most efficient players in the league during crunch time, that doesn’t move you?

There are a lot of stars in this league that can carry a team for the first 3 quarters or 43 minutes, but so few of them rise to the occasion consistently in the final minutes of the game. That is one of the rarest and most sought after qualities that a player can possess.

We aren’t going to win many games if he goes 1-7 for 3 quarters, even if he goes 6-8 in the 4th. No one should be all that worried, he’s 21 and apparently trying out new stuff in games. But carrying a team for 3 quarters is actually super important lol. No crunch time for him to take over if we’re down 20.

I never said it wasn't. My point is that it's a fairly common ability among stars in the NBA to be able to do that, it's what makes them stars, but that ability to close games in crunch time situations is far more rare.

[HumbleRen]

but scottie's soft and not aggressive enough

I'll keep saying until he stops being a part time player in these games.

Showing up for 1 quarter isn't moving me brev.

A 21 year old who pretty regularly shows up in the 4th quarter and dominates some of the best defenders the league has to offer, that doesn’t move you?

A 21 year old who is one of the most efficient players in the league during crunch time, that doesn’t move you?

There are a lot of stars in this league that can carry a team for the first 3 quarters or 43 minutes, but so few of them rise to the occasion consistently in the final minutes of the game. That is one of the rarest and most sought after qualities that a player can possess.

I mean it's great but I'm saying it doesn't move me more so in that it's been the theme of Scottie Barnes for the entire year.

It's awesome that he shows up in the 4th, it's honestly amazing that he can do that. He's clearly the most clutch player on the team and one of the most clutch players period in the league.

I just want him to be engaged from the jump. I think it's a very bad habit to have an on and off switch when you're this young.

[OakleyDokely]

Barnes is just a raw player just trying to find his game. He's trying to find out what he's good at, what he's not so good at, when to attack, when not to attack. His offense is going to take time to develop consistency.

The positive thing is, he can pretty much sleepwalk to 15/7/5/1/1, which is a pretty high floor.

[Los_29]

A 21 year old who pretty regularly shows up in the 4th quarter and dominates some of the best defenders the league has to offer, that doesn’t move you?

A 21 year old who is one of the most efficient players in the league during crunch time, that doesn’t move you?

There are a lot of stars in this league that can carry a team for the first 3 quarters or 43 minutes, but so few of them rise to the occasion consistently in the final minutes of the game. That is one of the rarest and most sought after qualities that a player can possess.

We aren’t going to win many games if he goes 1-7 for 3 quarters, even if he goes 6-8 in the 4th. No one should be all that worried, he’s 21 and apparently trying out new stuff in games. But carrying a team for 3 quarters is actually super important lol. No crunch time for him to take over if we’re down 20.

I never said it wasn't. My point is that it's a fairly common ability among stars in the NBA to be able to do that, it's what makes them stars, but that ability to close games in crunch time situations is far more rare.

The real test will come when he starts getting defensive attention. How's he going to react to teams packing the paint, sending doubles and triples at him. I hope we can start seeing that this year.

[Reeko]

We aren’t going to win many games if he goes 1-7 for 3 quarters, even if he goes 6-8 in the 4th. No one should be all that worried, he’s 21 and apparently trying out new stuff in games. But carrying a team for 3 quarters is actually super important lol. No crunch time for him to take over if we’re down 20.

I never said it wasn't. My point is that it's a fairly common ability among stars in the NBA to be able to do that, it's what makes them stars, but that ability to close games in crunch time situations is far more rare.

The real test will come when he starts getting defensive attention. How's he going to react to teams packing the paint, sending doubles and triples at him. I hope we can start seeing that this year.

As far as one on one defensive attention we’ve already seen him excel against some of the best that the league has to offer. Once they start sending doubles at him he’s going to be picking defenses apart and generating great looks for his teammates.

[djsunyc]

I never said it wasn't. My point is that it's a fairly common ability among stars in the NBA to be able to do that, it's what makes them stars, but that ability to close games in crunch time situations is far more rare.

The real test will come when he starts getting defensive attention. How's he going to react to teams packing the paint, sending doubles and triples at him. I hope we can start seeing that this year.

As far as one on one defensive attention we’ve already seen him excel against some of the best that the league has to offer. Once they start sending doubles at him he’s going to be picking defenses apart and generating great looks for his teammates.

yeah, i think that's where barnes' passing skill will really shine. he can recognize and pass quicker than a lot of star players so his impact will still be there but from finding other guys to beat the opponent.

[Los_29]

I never said it wasn't. My point is that it's a fairly common ability among stars in the NBA to be able to do that, it's what makes them stars, but that ability to close games in crunch time situations is far more rare.

The real test will come when he starts getting defensive attention. How's he going to react to teams packing the paint, sending doubles and triples at him. I hope we can start seeing that this year.

As far as one on one defensive attention we’ve already seen him excel against some of the best that the league has to offer. Once they start sending doubles at him he’s going to be picking defenses apart and generating great looks for his teammates.

Not in large doses though. Bucks basically let him dribble right to the basket. Other teams have done the same. I agree, his passing ability should make teams pay for sending doubles. Just as long as we have players that can make their shots.

[djsunyc]

[Johnny Bball]

Barnes is just a raw player just trying to find his game. He's trying to find out what he's good at, what he's not so good at, when to attack, when not to attack. His offense is going to take time to develop consistency.

The positive thing is, he can pretty much sleepwalk to 15/7/5/1/1, which is a pretty high floor.

I think he's trying to emulate Magic (and Jordan etc.) a bit too much trying to invole everyone at first and then turning it up in the 4th. Its not a bad way to go but you need to be a star first. I would just take the ball out of his hands quarter 1-3 until he stops and turns the aggression up some. Should get his attention quick.

That would actually open the floor more for everyone and get him seeing more double teams, which arguably is better.

[tripa]

Barnes is just a raw player just trying to find his game. He's trying to find out what he's good at, what he's not so good at, when to attack, when not to attack. His offense is going to take time to develop consistency.

The positive thing is, he can pretty much sleepwalk to 15/7/5/1/1, which is a pretty high floor.

I think he's trying to emulate Magic (and Jordan etc.) a bit too much trying to invole everyone at first and then turning it up in the 4th. Its not a bad way to go but you need to be a star first. I would just take the ball out of his hands quarter 1-3 until he stops and turns the aggression up some. Should get his attention quick.

This has already happened this season and nothing has changed.

[Johnny Bball]

Barnes is just a raw player just trying to find his game. He's trying to find out what he's good at, what he's not so good at, when to attack, when not to attack. His offense is going to take time to develop consistency.

The positive thing is, he can pretty much sleepwalk to 15/7/5/1/1, which is a pretty high floor.

I think he's trying to emulate Magic (and Jordan etc.) a bit too much trying to invole everyone at first and then turning it up in the 4th. Its not a bad way to go but you need to be a star first. I would just take the ball out of his hands quarter 1-3 until he stops and turns the aggression up some. Should get his attention quick.

This has already happened this season and nothing has changed.

Ugh. No it really hasn't. The only message he got was being sent to the bench for two games (or one?) and playing just as many minutes.

[tripa]

I think he's trying to emulate Magic (and Jordan etc.) a bit too much trying to invole everyone at first and then turning it up in the 4th. Its not a bad way to go but you need to be a star first. I would just take the ball out of his hands quarter 1-3 until he stops and turns the aggression up some. Should get his attention quick.

This has already happened this season and nothing has changed.

Ugh. No it really hasn't.

Just have to surround him with shooters going forward and hope for the best.

[Johnny Bball]

This has already happened this season and nothing has changed.

Ugh. No it really hasn't.

Just have to surround him with shooters going forward and hope for the best.

That's an awfully passive way of asking him to be more aggressive. And at everyone else's expense.

[OakleyDokely]

Scottie by Q

1st Q: 9.3 MIN, 4.1 PPG, 42.6 FG, 34.4 3PT, 69.7 FT (14.7 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
2nd Q: 7.9 MIN, 3.1 PPG, 40.8 FG, 29.7 3PT, 68.2 FT (12.8 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
3rd Q: 8.7 MIN, 3.2 PPG, 44.6 FG, 25.0 3PT, 87.1 FT (12.0 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
4th Q: 9.4 MIN, 5.4 PPG, 53.1 FG, 26.5 3PT, 83.6 FT (15.3 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)

He takes slightly more shot attempts in the 4th, but it's not a dramatic difference from the 1st Q. What is dramatic is his efficiency goes way up in the 4th Q. I think it's less about him being aggressive and more about finding the spots/matchups that favor him the most and he seems to find those in the 4th Q.

[ItsDanger]

Scottie will take over next season. You already see it on the court that he knows he's better. But he's old school and will wait.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I'm still taking Scottie #1 overall in a redraft right now.