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Post#301 » by arkuo » Mon Feb 6, 2023 6:36 pm

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That's the whole point of the nets agreeing to the trade early. So they have some days left to see if they can expand the deal into a 3 team trade. They agreed to it fast and got it out of the way.
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Post#302 » by arkuo » Mon Feb 6, 2023 6:53 pm

If BKN calls back to expand the deal to include Ben Simmons, do you agree to give THJ and Bertans from a Dallas perspective?
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Post#303 » by nedleeds » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:11 pm

arkuo wrote:If BKN calls back to expand the deal to include Ben Simmons, do you agree to give THJ and Bertans from a Dallas perspective?

Simmons is likely the worst or second worst contract in basketball behind Gobert. They would need to attach at least 1 pick. Bertans is dead money but it's reasonably short.
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Post#304 » by dygaction » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:15 pm

arkuo wrote:If BKN calls back to expand the deal to include Ben Simmons, do you agree to give THJ and Bertans from a Dallas perspective?


For sure, especially at this cost. Ben's length, playmaking, and defense are what the Mavs need. With him and one of Luka/Kyrie, there will always be enough playmaking. His shooting can be covered by Luka/Kyrie/Wood/Bullock/Green. Dwight Powell would not be that bad to fill in 10 min. McGee and Niki do not have to play more than 5 min unless for matchup reasons

Luka/Niki
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/Bullock
Wood/Kleber
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Post#305 » by BliscoSantos » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:16 pm

Mavs are shoppong Wood...i know he's not the Best defender but there really isn't any market out there for him and the return would be poor...I'd try this season ,see the fit between Luka,Kyrie, Wood, i think it could be really good...they Just have to find the Crowder ,ki dort type of Players to surround this trio...and a capable C,good rebounder, closing the paint...i actually wouldn't mind calling the Bulls about Drummond and Phoenix about Crowder
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Post#306 » by dirkules_41 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:16 pm

arkuo wrote:If BKN calls back to expand the deal to include Ben Simmons, do you agree to give THJ and Bertans from a Dallas perspective?

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Post#307 » by dirkules_41 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:17 pm

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arkuo wrote:If BKN calls back to expand the deal to include Ben Simmons, do you agree to give THJ and Bertans from a Dallas perspective?


For sure, especially at this cost. Ben's length, playmaking, and defense are what the Mavs need. With him and one of Luka/Kyrie, there will always be enough playmaking. His shooting can be covered by Luka/Kyrie/Wood/Bullock/Green. Dwight Powell would not be that bad to fill in 10 min. McGee and Niki do not have to play more than 5 min unless for matchup reasons

Luka/Niki
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/Bullock
Wood/Kleber
Ben/Powell/McGee

God no, we can't afford to have someone on the floor with Luka and Kyrie that can't even take an open jumper.
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Post#308 » by Ni Da Ye » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:18 pm

dygaction wrote:
arkuo wrote:If BKN calls back to expand the deal to include Ben Simmons, do you agree to give THJ and Bertans from a Dallas perspective?


For sure, especially at this cost. Ben's length, playmaking, and defense are what the Mavs need. With him and one of Luka/Kyrie, there will always be enough playmaking. His shooting can be covered by Luka/Kyrie/Wood/Bullock/Green. Dwight Powell would not be that bad to fill in 10 min. McGee and Niki do not have to play more than 5 min unless for matchup reasons

Luka/Niki
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/Bullock
Wood/Kleber
Ben/Powell/McGee


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We might as well send Luka for KD and rename the team as Dallas nets.
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Post#309 » by dygaction » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:23 pm

Ni Da Ye wrote:
dygaction wrote:
arkuo wrote:If BKN calls back to expand the deal to include Ben Simmons, do you agree to give THJ and Bertans from a Dallas perspective?


For sure, especially at this cost. Ben's length, playmaking, and defense are what the Mavs need. With him and one of Luka/Kyrie, there will always be enough playmaking. His shooting can be covered by Luka/Kyrie/Wood/Bullock/Green. Dwight Powell would not be that bad to fill in 10 min. McGee and Niki do not have to play more than 5 min unless for matchup reasons

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Kyrie/Hardy
Green/Bullock
Wood/Kleber
Ben/Powell/McGee


One cancer is not enough. We need two.

We might as well send Luka for KD and rename the team as Dallas nets.


Nah, the worst case scenario you repackage and make another trade. You cannot send THJ/Bertans for nothing without adding picks, but Ben is still fools gold and there are always some teams willing to give it a try.
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Post#310 » by dirkules_41 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:25 pm

dygaction wrote:
Ni Da Ye wrote:
dygaction wrote:
For sure, especially at this cost. Ben's length, playmaking, and defense are what the Mavs need. With him and one of Luka/Kyrie, there will always be enough playmaking. His shooting can be covered by Luka/Kyrie/Wood/Bullock/Green. Dwight Powell would not be that bad to fill in 10 min. McGee and Niki do not have to play more than 5 min unless for matchup reasons

Luka/Niki
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/Bullock
Wood/Kleber
Ben/Powell/McGee


One cancer is not enough. We need two.

We might as well send Luka for KD and rename the team as Dallas nets.


Nah, the worst case scenario you repackage and make another trade. You cannot send THJ/Bertans for nothing without adding picks, but Ben is still fools gold and there are always some teams willing to give it a try.

You repackage Ben freaking Simmons? with what? 2 firsts? for an expiring?
The dude is literally one of if not THE worst contract in the league.
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Post#311 » by arkuo » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:32 pm

LMAO Luka has to set some screens for Kyrie now and vice versa. Cant dribble for 22 seconds and kick out at the last second for a shot.

Ideally Wood becomes the Kevin Love in this equation with Powell playing the Tristan Thompson role.

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Post#312 » by dygaction » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:34 pm

dirkules_41 wrote:
dygaction wrote:
Ni Da Ye wrote:
One cancer is not enough. We need two.

We might as well send Luka for KD and rename the team as Dallas nets.


Nah, the worst case scenario you repackage and make another trade. You cannot send THJ/Bertans for nothing without adding picks, but Ben is still fools gold and there are always some teams willing to give it a try.

You repackage Ben freaking Simmons? with what? 2 firsts? for an expiring?
The dude is literally one of if not THE worst contract in the league.


I don't think it is that bad, definitely helps the Mavs more than THJ+Bertans. How about treat him as Bam with better playmaking but much worse scoring? It is mainly personality issue and hope that part can change.
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Post#313 » by dirkules_41 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:38 pm

dygaction wrote:
dirkules_41 wrote:
dygaction wrote:
Nah, the worst case scenario you repackage and make another trade. You cannot send THJ/Bertans for nothing without adding picks, but Ben is still fools gold and there are always some teams willing to give it a try.

You repackage Ben freaking Simmons? with what? 2 firsts? for an expiring?
The dude is literally one of if not THE worst contract in the league.


I don't think it is that bad, definitely helps the Mavs more than THJ+Bertans. How about treat him as Bam with better playmaking but much worse scoring? It is mainly personality issue and hope that part can change.

I think universally he's regarded as one of the worst trade values and contracts in the league. We tie up much more money much longer. I think THJ and Bertans are also more useful, at least in doses.
Problem is the guy is a massive guard and not a big man basketball wise. Maybe he should re-train and bulk up and play the 5. But I wouldn't want to be on the hook for 78(!!!!) million for the next 2 years for that experiment. Sorry but that's just insanely bad value for money.
For reference THJ is 35m over two years and Bertans has 21m guaranteed also over 2 years.
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Post#314 » by Mr B » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:08 pm

arkuo wrote:I have a very unpopular opinion. But since the Mavs are already swinging for the fences here, why not try to pry Lebron away from the Lakers next year when Lebron has a player option in 2024 or is UFA in 2025. LMAO Lebron can both chase rings and by Kyrie's therapist in between timeouts. LMAO!!!!

At the rate the Lakers are going he might force a trade to Dallas.
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Post#315 » by fuller4379 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:09 pm

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Post#316 » by Mavrelous » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:18 pm

For the 1st time I find Dallas legacy media and fan based media (MAvs Moneyball) in agreement, and I couldn't disagree more, the trade can absolutely go sour, but they had to pull the trigger, and my main concern is Kyrie injury history, couldn't care less about the black hebrews, him not taking a barely tested substance that came from a new technology, or thinking the earth is flat and being stupid enough to admit he thinks that.
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Post#317 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:18 pm

AJ Lawson has the tools to become the next DFS...
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Post#318 » by Mavrelous » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:22 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:AJ Lawson has the tools to become the next DFS...

Lots of guys do, Reddish and Bazely mentioned here have better tools, but you need the motor and work ethic to do it, Doe Doe worked his ass off.
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Post#319 » by arkuo » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:23 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:AJ Lawson has the tools to become the next DFS...



Knowing Kidd, he'd play Bullock over Lawson. Bullock and THJ rotation should be able to hold down the SF spot. With Wood playing the Kevin Love role at his natural PF spot. And Powell doing the heavy lifting at C like Tristan Thompson.
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Post#320 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:30 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:AJ Lawson has the tools to become the next DFS...

Lots of guys do, Reddish and Bazely mentioned here have better tools, but you need the motor and work ethic to do it, Doe Doe worked his ass off.


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