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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#41 » by Cactus Jack » Fri Feb 3, 2023 5:32 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:More talk about Cowboys interest in taking Drew Sanders at the Senior Bowl practices. If we go LB, I have no problem at all taking Sanders. Love the kid actually. Being from Arkansas, Jerry will love that. Also Jerry got a hard on and blew his wad over TCU's QB Max Duggan. Jerry loves him apparently.
Also some talk and rumors at the Senior bowl regarding Dalton Schultz getting love from the Cardinals and Sean Payton wants Tony Pollard to be the next Alvin Kamara for the Broncos.

What do you love about him (Sanders)? Curious.

He'll probably go somewhere in the 2nd round. This is a fairly underwhelming LB class. Lacks top end talent. This isn't the year to reach for one in my opinion. I would probably give Sanders a 3rd round grade if I'm being honest.

Did you check out any of the names that I gave you?

He's the best Lb in the draft by far. Feel he is a perfect fit for our scheme. Big drop off after him and there are not a lot of LB's in this draft. On defense we need LB, DT and CB. I won't be upset if we go in one of the other areas of need, just saying if we go LB, He is the one for me. However I will admit there is a small few just above us that have a chance to fall down to us I wouldn't mind either.

Don't you also have a need for a WR?

I wouldn't take a LB. There just isn't the value in taking one with a high pick this year. Focus on other positions.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#42 » by bluejerseyjinx » Fri Feb 3, 2023 5:36 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:What do you love about him (Sanders)? Curious.

He'll probably go somewhere in the 2nd round. This is a fairly underwhelming LB class. Lacks top end talent. This isn't the year to reach for one in my opinion. I would probably give Sanders a 3rd round grade if I'm being honest.

Did you check out any of the names that I gave you?

He's the best Lb in the draft by far. Feel he is a perfect fit for our scheme. Big drop off after him and there are not a lot of LB's in this draft. On defense we need LB, DT and CB. I won't be upset if we go in one of the other areas of need, just saying if we go LB, He is the one for me. However I will admit there is a small few just above us that have a chance to fall down to us I wouldn't mind either.

Don't you also have a need for a WR?

Not in my opinion. Gallup will be much healthier next year after coming back from a nasty knee injury and his contract prevents us from getting rid of him. Lamb is big time and I would love to resign Hilton to another 1 year friendly deal. If we want to do anything on offense OL and RB is the way I would go.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#43 » by bluejerseyjinx » Fri Feb 3, 2023 5:41 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:What do you love about him (Sanders)? Curious.

He'll probably go somewhere in the 2nd round. This is a fairly underwhelming LB class. Lacks top end talent. This isn't the year to reach for one in my opinion. I would probably give Sanders a 3rd round grade if I'm being honest.

Did you check out any of the names that I gave you?

He's the best Lb in the draft by far. Feel he is a perfect fit for our scheme. Big drop off after him and there are not a lot of LB's in this draft. On defense we need LB, DT and CB. I won't be upset if we go in one of the other areas of need, just saying if we go LB, He is the one for me. However I will admit there is a small few just above us that have a chance to fall down to us I wouldn't mind either.

Don't you also have a need for a WR?

I wouldn't take a LB. There just isn't the value in taking one with a high pick this year. Focus on other positions.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I'm sure we can do better depending on who may drop to us. The draft gets crazy and its hard to predict what may happen. Your probably right about Sanders he's just the only Lb in the draft I like. But also on defense, DT and CB are also areas of need. If Witherspoon drops to us I would take him in a heartbeat. If not, after 8 years of begging and pleading for a DT, we are in a great position to get one this year.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#44 » by bluejerseyjinx » Fri Feb 3, 2023 5:49 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:We need Bryan Bresee. Big bodied 300lb run stuffer to clog the middle.

He might not fall to us but maybe we trade up a few spots to get him.

If he falls to us we would be stupid to pass up on him. :thumbsup:
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Post#45 » by Mr B » Fri Feb 3, 2023 11:14 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:More talk about Cowboys interest in taking Drew Sanders at the Senior Bowl practices. If we go LB, I have no problem at all taking Sanders. Love the kid actually. Being from Arkansas, Jerry will love that. Also Jerry got a hard on and blew his wad over TCU's QB Max Duggan. Jerry loves him apparently.
Also some talk and rumors at the Senior bowl regarding Dalton Schultz getting love from the Cardinals and Sean Payton wants Tony Pollard to be the next Alvin Kamara for the Broncos.

Max Duggan is really good. He will be gone long before pick 26 though.

Schultz is an UFA so if the Cards want him he’s likely gone. I don’t see the Cowboys matching an offer for him. As for Sean Payton/Broncos and Tony Pollard, the Broncos don’t have a 1st or 2nd round pick so I don’t see any way they would have enough to trade for him.

Edit: I just looked at the top QB’s in the draft and they have Max Duggan ranked WAY too low. That will likely change after the Combine but if he’s still on the board by the 3rd round you HAVE to take him.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#46 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Feb 4, 2023 12:45 am

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:More talk about Cowboys interest in taking Drew Sanders at the Senior Bowl practices. If we go LB, I have no problem at all taking Sanders. Love the kid actually. Being from Arkansas, Jerry will love that. Also Jerry got a hard on and blew his wad over TCU's QB Max Duggan. Jerry loves him apparently.
Also some talk and rumors at the Senior bowl regarding Dalton Schultz getting love from the Cardinals and Sean Payton wants Tony Pollard to be the next Alvin Kamara for the Broncos.

Max Duggan is really good. He will be gone long before pick 26 though.

Schultz is an UFA so if the Cards want him he’s likely gone. I don’t see the Cowboys matching an offer for him. As for Sean Payton/Broncos and Tony Pollard, the Broncos don’t have a 1st or 2nd round pick so I don’t see any way they would have enough to trade for him.

Edit: I just looked at the top QB’s in the draft and they have Max Duggan ranked WAY too low. That will likely change after the Combine but if he’s still on the board by the 3rd round you HAVE to take him.

Lol I just realized you're a TCU fan. Exciting team this year.

Duggan will be a Day 3 pick fwiw. He'll probably be drafted somewhere between Rounds 5-7. He just doesn't have the upside that some of the other QB's have in this class. He was good in college. But that doesn't mean that it will translate at the next level. But he'll definitely be worth taking as a late round flyer by some team.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#47 » by Mr B » Sat Feb 4, 2023 3:45 am

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:More talk about Cowboys interest in taking Drew Sanders at the Senior Bowl practices. If we go LB, I have no problem at all taking Sanders. Love the kid actually. Being from Arkansas, Jerry will love that. Also Jerry got a hard on and blew his wad over TCU's QB Max Duggan. Jerry loves him apparently.
Also some talk and rumors at the Senior bowl regarding Dalton Schultz getting love from the Cardinals and Sean Payton wants Tony Pollard to be the next Alvin Kamara for the Broncos.

Max Duggan is really good. He will be gone long before pick 26 though.

Schultz is an UFA so if the Cards want him he’s likely gone. I don’t see the Cowboys matching an offer for him. As for Sean Payton/Broncos and Tony Pollard, the Broncos don’t have a 1st or 2nd round pick so I don’t see any way they would have enough to trade for him.

Edit: I just looked at the top QB’s in the draft and they have Max Duggan ranked WAY too low. That will likely change after the Combine but if he’s still on the board by the 3rd round you HAVE to take him.

Lol I just realized you're a TCU fan. Exciting team this year.

Duggan will be a Day 3 pick fwiw. He'll probably be drafted somewhere between Rounds 5-7. He just doesn't have the upside that some of the other QB's have in this class. He was good in college. But that doesn't mean that it will translate at the next level. But he'll definitely be worth taking as a late round flyer by some team.

I wouldn’t necessarily say I’m a TCU fan, and I’m not, not a TCU fan. I just think Duggan is going to get under drafted based on what his career with be (pending he lands on the right team). He could easily be as good as Andy Dalton (another TCU guy) who was drafted in round 2. If he’s there for the Cowboys on day 3 there’s no doubt he’ll be their pick.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#48 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Feb 6, 2023 6:41 pm

So which direction in the draft do we take? Unfortunately we have Dak and McCarthy coming back for at least one more year and now we have our OC. Do we draft another OL and put more pieces around Dak or do we put a more dominating defense together by adding a CB, LB and DT? Despite much talent we have on both side of the ball, each side could use a few more pieces. I wish I knew what the Cowboy brass are currently thinking on this one. On second thought, maybe its a good thing I don't know what they are thinking. Jerry has his won way of thinking.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#49 » by Micah Prescott » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:44 pm

Our plan should be to draft Bryan Bresee because that would have the most impact.

And then take a bunch of CBs in the following rounds

for offense -
Tag Pollard
Redo Zeke's contract
Sign big FA WR (this is a must, losing Amari had a big negative impact)
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Post#50 » by Micah Prescott » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:45 pm

Thank God Tyler Smith is a stud.

LT would be #1 priority if he wasn't.
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Post#51 » by Otis Driftwood » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:52 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:Thank God Tyler Smith is a stud.

LT would be #1 priority if he wasn't.


If he doesn't redo his deal LT might just be a priority. Just sayin'
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#52 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:40 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:Our plan should be to draft Bryan Bresee because that would have the most impact.

And then take a bunch of CBs in the following rounds

for offense -
Tag Pollard
Redo Zeke's contract
Sign big FA WR (this is a must, losing Amari had a big negative impact)

That is if Bresee falls to us. If he doesn't, what is the plan and which holes do we go after? Not opposed to drafting CB's but LB should also be considered. When Vander Esch was out for a month we lost two games, Jaguars and Packers. Defense and running game got gashed during that stretch.
I thought you wanted more resources around Dak? The OL could use another stud. Zeke's last 50 carries he only netted 101 yards. 2 yards a carry. Does anyone really think and believe he will return to the player he was 2-3 years ago? If we go offense early I believe OL and another Rb would be most helpful for your boy.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#53 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:57 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:Our plan should be to draft Bryan Bresee because that would have the most impact.

And then take a bunch of CBs in the following rounds

for offense -
Tag Pollard
Redo Zeke's contract
Sign big FA WR (this is a must, losing Amari had a big negative impact)


Redoing Zeke's contract won't help us out at all. At the moment we are already over the salary cap going into next season with the way things stand now. Like I posted last week, we have some tough decisions to make regarding some of the contract's we have upcoming. Not sure how we can pull off all the things you want to do and then get a stud FA WR to go along with it. We would have to let Elliott, Tyrone Smith and possibly others to be able to pull that off. And if you want to get a guy like Tee Higgins, its going to take that and possibly more to make that happen. BTW I think you over rate Cooper. He doesn't show up every week, isn't consistent enough and the salary he would command, well IMHO we would be better finding a WR in the Draft. There are some really good WR's that will be in the first 3 rounds. I didn't hate Cooper and never thought he was a bust, but I also didn't think he was worth his salary.
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Post#54 » by Micah Prescott » Tue Feb 7, 2023 1:31 am

The problem with drafting a WR is that they usually take a year or two to develop. Rarely do they come out as rookies lighting it up. And those rare ones that do are usually high draft picks like Jamar Chase.

I am of the mind set of WIN NOW. Like we need to push all in and go for it in 2023. So we need a FA WR who is already developed.

Our defense is just one or two players away from being top tier elite and elite defenses don't stay that way for very long. The window is next season. We need to look at it as a do or die season. If we fail next year then the reset button will be hit. New coaches, new philosophy, etc.
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Post#55 » by Micah Prescott » Tue Feb 7, 2023 1:58 am

Also currently most mocks have Bresee slightly out of our reach. But the draft is a long time from now and players stock is going to fluctuate a ton from now until then. Especially after the combine. There are some 3rd round prospects that will jump up to 1st round from now until then after an elite combine showing.

Maybe Bresee's stock will fall right in place for us. Maybe he'll gain value and this is a pipe dream. But his size and skill set are the missing piece to the puzzle for this defense.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#56 » by bluejerseyjinx » Tue Feb 7, 2023 12:39 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:The problem with drafting a WR is that they usually take a year or two to develop. Rarely do they come out as rookies lighting it up. And those rare ones that do are usually high draft picks like Jamar Chase.

I am of the mind set of WIN NOW. Like we need to push all in and go for it in 2023. So we need a FA WR who is already developed.

Our defense is just one or two players away from being top tier elite and elite defenses don't stay that way for very long. The window is next season. We need to look at it as a do or die season. If we fail next year then the reset button will be hit. New coaches, new philosophy, etc.

Again, how do you propose to just do all that you want to do? WE ARE ALREADY OVER THE SALARY CAP GOING INTO NEXT SEASON. If you are going to keep Zeke (which I don't understand), it will take more than just restructuring his contract to pull off everything you want to do. WHO YOU CUTTING, Tyrone Smith, Lawrence or others? We have many free agents that will command some money. Some of them will need to go especially if you want a stud FA WR and sign all out upcoming draft choices.
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Post#57 » by Micah Prescott » Tue Feb 7, 2023 3:00 pm

Jerry is actually skilled at working around the cap and restructuring existing contracts. But when I say "GO ALL IN" that means mortgage the future to win now. Many teams have done this, like the Rams. So if we sign a big FA you just backload his contract. Pay everyone in 2024 dollars.

I do not think we need to pay big to get a good FA WR though. I think we can find something solid at a reasonable price. We don't need a top-10 WR to compliment Lamb. We just need a top-25ish guy. Gallup isn't that.
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Post#58 » by bluejerseyjinx » Tue Feb 7, 2023 4:48 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:Jerry is actually skilled at working around the cap and restructuring existing contracts. But when I say "GO ALL IN" that means mortgage the future to win now. Many teams have done this, like the Rams. So if we sign a big FA you just backload his contract. Pay everyone in 2024 dollars.

I do not think we need to pay big to get a good FA WR though. I think we can find something solid at a reasonable price. We don't need a top-10 WR to compliment Lamb. We just need a top-25ish guy. Gallup isn't that.

Jerry's been an all in guy for 27 years and counting. How's that been working out? Saying Jerry is skilled at anything football related doesn't make me feel any better at all with everything I have witnessed since Jimmy left. Backloading contracts to go all in for one year is absolutely foolish. We will end up falling off the cliff much sooner than we have to starting in 2025, especially when Lamb's and Parsons' contract comes up. Sounds like you still have faith in Jerry after all these years. Oh well, onward through the fog.
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Post#59 » by Micah Prescott » Tue Feb 7, 2023 7:47 pm

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Micah Prescott wrote:Jerry is actually skilled at working around the cap and restructuring existing contracts. But when I say "GO ALL IN" that means mortgage the future to win now. Many teams have done this, like the Rams. So if we sign a big FA you just backload his contract. Pay everyone in 2024 dollars.

I do not think we need to pay big to get a good FA WR though. I think we can find something solid at a reasonable price. We don't need a top-10 WR to compliment Lamb. We just need a top-25ish guy. Gallup isn't that.

Jerry's been an all in guy for 27 years and counting. How's that been working out? Saying Jerry is skilled at anything football related doesn't make me feel any better at all with everything I have witnessed since Jimmy left. Backloading contracts to go all in for one year is absolutely foolish. We will end up falling off the cliff much sooner than we have to starting in 2025, especially when Lamb's and Parsons' contract comes up. Sounds like you still have faith in Jerry after all these years. Oh well, onward through the fog.

No I don't think we've ever really pushed all in, and traded away high future draft picks for a big name now like the Rams do. They push and it works.

And if you want Dak out? This is how you do it. You push all in and then if it fails you get a true reset. New coach, new QB, new everything.

Lamb and Parson contracts are ANOTHER reason to push all in now, we can't keep all this together forever. Do it NOW while we have these guys.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys 

Post#60 » by bluejerseyjinx » Tue Feb 7, 2023 11:21 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
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Micah Prescott wrote:Jerry is actually skilled at working around the cap and restructuring existing contracts. But when I say "GO ALL IN" that means mortgage the future to win now. Many teams have done this, like the Rams. So if we sign a big FA you just backload his contract. Pay everyone in 2024 dollars.

I do not think we need to pay big to get a good FA WR though. I think we can find something solid at a reasonable price. We don't need a top-10 WR to compliment Lamb. We just need a top-25ish guy. Gallup isn't that.

Jerry's been an all in guy for 27 years and counting. How's that been working out? Saying Jerry is skilled at anything football related doesn't make me feel any better at all with everything I have witnessed since Jimmy left. Backloading contracts to go all in for one year is absolutely foolish. We will end up falling off the cliff much sooner than we have to starting in 2025, especially when Lamb's and Parsons' contract comes up. Sounds like you still have faith in Jerry after all these years. Oh well, onward through the fog.

No I don't think we've ever really pushed all in, and traded away high future draft picks for a big name now like the Rams do. They push and it works.

And if you want Dak out? This is how you do it. You push all in and then if it fails you get a true reset. New coach, new QB, new everything.

Lamb and Parson contracts are ANOTHER reason to push all in now, we can't keep all this together forever. Do it NOW while we have these guys.

Ahhh, O.K. :wavefinger: How quickly we forget.

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