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2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

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Initial thoughts on KD for Bridges, Cam, Crowder, plus picks?

Love it!
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Hate it
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Wait and see...
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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions 

Post#2041 » by Slim Charless » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:07 pm

Courtside wrote:
sunskerr wrote:
Damkac wrote:Maybe this was talked about already but would you do: Ayton, Crowder for OG, FVV?


Oh man thats tough. I think I would have to but follow up with an aggressive offer like something all in maybe for Poeltl or Plumlee.

Considering the Raptors probably don't want either Ayton or Crowder, you're probably adding picks just to get them to listen. Once that's done, what do you have left to acquire Poeltl with?

Bridges for VanVleet is likely what the Raps FO is seeking.


Cool, and how many 1st round picks (and swaps) are we getting from you guys? I'll start the bidding at 3 firsts and 2 swaps.
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Post#2042 » by Saberestar » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:11 pm

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Sounds like Monty is denying the trade offer was made and calling it BS

"Certainly wasn't anything that, based on my conversations with (Suns GM James Jones), that we did and so when I heard about it, I was like, this is part of the business, we understand it, but just from my perspective, it kind of bothered me." Monty Williams on Chris Paul.


"It kind of bothered me to be honest. A lot of times, a guy's name is out there and it's just a lot of people throwing stuff out there maybe to get their deal done. And so they use us." Monty Williams on Chris Paul reportedly being in #Suns trade package for Kyrie Irving.

Interesting.
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Post#2043 » by Qwigglez » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:12 pm

Its time to go all in folks!
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Post#2044 » by MrMiyagi » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:17 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Its time to go all in folks!
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Wow, another superstar available! :lol:
SHAZAM!

Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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Post#2045 » by BobbieL » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:17 pm

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"It's a business. I've seen crazier. The way I found out I was traded from Houston. You just show up to work and be a pro day in and day out. Nobody's exempt from being traded. Find out just like everybody else." Chris Paul on being part of Kyrie Irving trade package #Suns #Nets

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He is not stupid either
If he heard the rumors about the Suns being interested in Kyrie - He probably figured he was involved
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Post#2046 » by Fo-Real » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:19 pm

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Qwigglez wrote:Its time to go all in folks!
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Wow, another superstar available! :lol:


Oh ****!!! Talk about the dude who will overshadow this Durant clown!!!
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Post#2047 » by Saberestar » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:19 pm

“The Suns, to my knowledge were not the bidders in the end. The bidders were the Lakers and Mavs.” - Windy

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Post#2048 » by BobbieL » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:22 pm

Saberestar wrote:
PhxLax wrote:
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Sounds like Monty is denying the trade offer was made and calling it BS

"Certainly wasn't anything that, based on my conversations with (Suns GM James Jones), that we did and so when I heard about it, I was like, this is part of the business, we understand it, but just from my perspective, it kind of bothered me." Monty Williams on Chris Paul.


"It kind of bothered me to be honest. A lot of times, a guy's name is out there and it's just a lot of people throwing stuff out there maybe to get their deal done. And so they use us." Monty Williams on Chris Paul reportedly being in #Suns trade package for Kyrie Irving.

Interesting.


Well Paul and the Suns know the truth

I have a feeling the Nets were using Haynes
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Post#2049 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:25 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Sunlight wrote:Ruin your future by bringing injured and injury prone 34,5 year old KD here :crazy:

When the Heatles were piled up the ages were 26, 26 and 28. :nod:

Leaked trade offer by JJ which included only veterans CP3 and Crowder tells me everything. 8-)

Booker, Bridges and AYTON stays here a while. :naaa:


In the article Shams wrote this:

With new owner Mat Ishbia set to take over the Suns this upcoming week, Phoenix has emerged as an intriguing organization to monitor ahead of the Feb. 9 deadline. The Suns want to continue building around All-NBA star Devin Booker, center Deandre Ayton and forwards Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson. However, the future of Chris Paul is uncertain beyond this season as Paul has a partial guarantee of half of his salary for next season.


So yes, to your point, the Suns are building around the young core. And that Paul contract --either 16 to not play or 31 to play.

If Paul is truly ticked off - I am sure something can be made with the Clippers or Lakers.

But as BWG pointed out - Paul knows the NBA is a business and he knows about his contract and he probably knows Irving would have been an upgrade possibly


I was just thinking that maybe they told Paul they can't afford to keep him next year and will have to not guarantee his contract and ask if he'd be ok moving to Brooklyn who may be more willing to pick up his option. In some ways it would be a win/win for both.
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Post#2050 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:31 pm

matt131 wrote:Hmm this seems off a bit

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They probably did this because they want bets to come in on KD being moved, when there is probably a better than 50/50 chance he will not be, so the oddsmakers would win all bets outside of those betting the opposite of the last option.
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Post#2051 » by Qwigglez » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:33 pm

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“The Suns, to my knowledge were not the bidders in the end. The bidders were the Lakers and Mavs.” - Windy

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Windhorst is smart. He built his career off of Lebron (right, I don't recall actually). With a new owner Windhorst wants the inside scoop, so if he can build that rapport with the new leaders within the Suns organization, he can get more access to information!


I have no clue. But Windy is likely right that the Suns did their due diligence, and then wasn't even a player in the final bidding.
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Post#2052 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:35 pm

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Stephen A Smith I don't imagine is a very good source. He is a speculator.
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Post#2053 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:37 pm

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"It's a business. I've seen crazier. The way I found out I was traded from Houston. You just show up to work and be a pro day in and day out. Nobody's exempt from being traded. Find out just like everybody else." Chris Paul on being part of Kyrie Irving trade package #Suns #Nets

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Of course. That is what I initially said while many thought we now HAD to trade him. Of course it could be lip service but I doubt it. He knows it's a business and he wouldn't sit out or create havoc. The guy wants to win a championship.
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Post#2054 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:39 pm

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No surprise that the story keeps changing.
I'd call that adding not really changing. At this point I'd say it's clear the suns made an offer and the Nets wanted more.

Are you upset the Suns didn't give in to their requests? That's a fine opinion (one I don't share) but be a little more clear about it.

I've also seen you say this will have Jones in hot water with Mat, don't you realize that on a deal of that nature Mat is directly involved? Like if he wanted to trade Cam or more picks then Kyrie would be in Phoenix right now?

Just trying to figure out what you're mad about. Because it seems like you just don't like Jones (which is fine) and are looking for reasons to get mad.

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Yeah, this isn't the story changes. The Nets likely wanted the 3rd pick or Cam instead of Crowder...a guy they could control the next 4 years instead of an expiring. They now control DFS. And Dinwiddie.
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Post#2055 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:45 pm

I really would love to see some more new Game of Zones. Would be pretty entertaining about now.
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Post#2056 » by Qwigglez » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:46 pm

I want to point out that we really haven't seen Cam fully healthy since his injury to the Knicks in early March. He came back 6 games towards the end of the season and averaged just under 9 points, and shot under 20% from 3, and 31% from the field. In the playoffs his numbers were better, but he still wasn't quite the same.
Just to put things in perspective, Cam really started to elevate his game midway through the Suns huge winning streak last season, in 45 games he was averaging 15 points, while shooting 47% from 3. His turnovers was 0.6 per game. In the games he started last season he was averaging 16 points per game. Before his injury at the beginning of this season that came to the Blazers with only 5 minutes to play, Cam was averaging basically the same thing (first 8 games of the season), 15 points, 44% from 3. Suns are being very smart to not trade him unless it's absolutely necessary and it will only be absolutely necessary if the Suns are trading him for an all-star player that has multiple years left on his contract. It's too big of a risk to trade Cam for Kyrie when Kyrie could up and leave this summer.

Cam is probably the most elite 3 point shooter in the NBA right now (at least top 5) and that has been going on for almost the last two seasons. I mentioned before too, that Cam is taking longer distance 3's and he's hitting those at an above 40% rate. Suns don't need to improve the 4 anymore IMO, they just need that PG of the future, which is why I'm still very high on the Suns being able to get FVV and think he's the No 1 priority for the Suns at this point. Dario is starting to come back to form too, and Suns don't even need him to score to be effective, he just needs to be out on the court and to continue to do what Dario does, make plays and play smart basketball.
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Post#2057 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:47 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I really would love to see some more new Game of Zones. Would be pretty entertaining about now.

bring that show back pls
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Post#2058 » by TeamTragic » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:49 pm

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No surprise that the story keeps changing.
I'd call that adding not really changing. At this point I'd say it's clear the suns made an offer and the Nets wanted more.

Are you upset the Suns didn't give in to their requests? That's a fine opinion (one I don't share) but be a little more clear about it.

I've also seen you say this will have Jones in hot water with Mat, don't you realize that on a deal of that nature Mat is directly involved? Like if he wanted to trade Cam or more picks then Kyrie would be in Phoenix right now?

Just trying to figure out what you're mad about. Because it seems like you just don't like Jones (which is fine) and are looking for reasons to get mad.

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I don't want to keep going in circles about JJ. I defended him previously because I understood that the team was being sold. Now that I see how he bailed on Kyrie over picks I'm done with his bull.

You know how I know it was JJ? Immediately after Kyrie was traded (to our biggest rival) Haynes put out a tweet about how we were ready to pursue KD again. What a **** joke because why would the Nets even pick up the phone.

Please explain to me why Matt would trade CamJo when he wasn't the one that couldn't reach an agreement on his extension. In fact we heard that he contacted his lawyers about getting him an extension.

The time has come for a different and fresh approach which I hope comes with major changes.
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Post#2059 » by matt131 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:56 pm

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Post#2060 » by Qwigglez » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:04 pm

Another conspiracy side of me thinks, perhaps the Nets didn't want to trade for CP3, because they felt they were also going to trade KD. And they weren't going to get as much value out of CP3 as they could get from Dinwiddie and DFS maybe. I could see the Nets, if they wanted to trade KD, they could also facilitate a Dinwiddie and DFS trade to the Clippers for maybe 2 1st round picks and the Clippers give the Nets Luke Kennard, John Wall, and Reggie Jackson. This way, the Nets accumulate as many picks as possible for the future.

Still though, they can play and be a fun team with KD and the rest of the team they got I suppose.

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