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2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

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Initial thoughts on KD for Bridges, Cam, Crowder, plus picks?

Love it!
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Post#2061 » by grumpysaddle » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:05 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I want to point out that we really haven't seen Cam fully healthy since his injury to the Knicks in early March. He came back 6 games towards the end of the season and averaged just under 9 points, and shot under 20% from 3, and 31% from the field. In the playoffs his numbers were better, but he still wasn't quite the same.
Just to put things in perspective, Cam really started to elevate his game midway through the Suns huge winning streak last season, in 45 games he was averaging 15 points, while shooting 47% from 3. His turnovers was 0.6 per game. In the games he started last season he was averaging 16 points per game. Before his injury at the beginning of this season that came to the Blazers with only 5 minutes to play, Cam was averaging basically the same thing (first 8 games of the season), 15 points, 44% from 3. Suns are being very smart to not trade him unless it's absolutely necessary and it will only be absolutely necessary if the Suns are trading him for an all-star player that has multiple years left on his contract. It's too big of a risk to trade Cam for Kyrie when Kyrie could up and leave this summer.

Cam is probably the most elite 3 point shooter in the NBA right now (at least top 5) and that has been going on for almost the last two seasons. I mentioned before too, that Cam is taking longer distance 3's and he's hitting those at an above 40% rate. Suns don't need to improve the 4 anymore IMO, they just need that PG of the future, which is why I'm still very high on the Suns being able to get FVV and think he's the No 1 priority for the Suns at this point. Dario is starting to come back to form too, and Suns don't even need him to score to be effective, he just needs to be out on the court and to continue to do what Dario does, make plays and play smart basketball.

FVV would be great as a backup PG/super sub. He's very inefficient and exploitable on the defensive end though. If there's no other option for a PGOTF then sure, but I'd look other places first.
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Post#2062 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:07 pm

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No surprise that the story keeps changing.
I'd call that adding not really changing. At this point I'd say it's clear the suns made an offer and the Nets wanted more.

Are you upset the Suns didn't give in to their requests? That's a fine opinion (one I don't share) but be a little more clear about it.

I've also seen you say this will have Jones in hot water with Mat, don't you realize that on a deal of that nature Mat is directly involved? Like if he wanted to trade Cam or more picks then Kyrie would be in Phoenix right now?

Just trying to figure out what you're mad about. Because it seems like you just don't like Jones (which is fine) and are looking for reasons to get mad.

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I don't want to keep going in circles about JJ. I defended him previously because I understood that the team was being sold. Now that I see how he bailed on Kyrie over picks I'm done with his bull.

You know how I know it was JJ? Immediately after Kyrie was traded (to our biggest rival) Haynes put out a tweet about how we were ready to pursue KD again. What a **** joke because why would the Nets even pick up the phone.

Please explain to me why Matt would trade CamJo when he wasn't the one that couldn't reach an agreement on his extension. In fact we heard that he contacted his lawyers about getting him an extension.

The time has come for a different and fresh approach which I hope comes with major changes.
I have no issue with being anti Jones.

I just think in this particular case you're not understanding how a deal of this large nature works. It's not like Jones is making the ultimate call on what the breaking point is on a trade. That's an owners decision, for any team. It's not like this conversation was Mat saying I want Kyrie and Jones telling him what he's willing to offer. Jones works for him.

So if you're mad they didn't meet the Nets price then it's Mat you should be mad at. You mention a new direction, this attempted deal is actually our first look at a new direction. Personally the fact he wanted Kyrie spooks me but hey at least it should be interesting.

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Post#2063 » by BobbieL » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:16 pm

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Post#2064 » by Qwigglez » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:22 pm

grumpysaddle wrote:FVV would be great as a backup PG/super sub. He's very inefficient and exploitable on the defensive end though. If there's no other option for a PGOTF then sure, but I'd look other places first.


He's inefficient in large part because a majority of his shots come from 3P range. He does have low efficiency from 3-10 foot range though, which is definitely a problem and likely due to his short stature. Still though with the names being floated that are available, I'd prefer FVV over someone like Rozier. Perhaps I'd take DLo if he was available, but I'd think Wolves may prefer to keep DLo at this point, or perhaps try to upgrade to a better PG themselves, but I'm unsure how that will get done for them. Hyland was someone that was noted as being available, but he's not very efficient either.
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Post#2065 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:23 pm

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Post#2066 » by starbosa10 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:28 pm

Book back and Rowley out....good day :)
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Post#2067 » by Desertfox » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:28 pm

Dinwwidie, Curry, and McConnell are who I would target for PG. They should be attainable, good backups and decent spot starters.
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Post#2068 » by BobbieL » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:33 pm

Desertfox wrote:Dinwwidie, Curry, and McConnell are who I would target for PG. They should be attainable, good backups and decent spot starters.


I have no idea what Dinwiddie costs - maybe its a multi team trade with the Raptors - but he would be a solid additionb
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Post#2069 » by TeamTragic » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:41 pm

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Post#2070 » by Jdiddy701 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:42 pm

Losing out in FVV would suck in so many ways. He’s the best Chris Paul replacement going forward for the Suns imo.


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Post#2071 » by matt131 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:44 pm

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Post#2072 » by BobbieL » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:45 pm

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I wouldn't mind getting Dinwiddie - just not sure what the Raptors would want
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Post#2073 » by 49erhokie » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:49 pm

I don't know when people are going to realize that James Jones isn't getting any big fish. he will probably trade for aaron holiday and call it a day. no major improvement. Just will rely on the status quo and health.
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Post#2074 » by TOO » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:51 pm

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Wow, another superstar available! :lol:

3 first rounds picks, make it happen James.
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Post#2075 » by matt131 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:51 pm

49erhokie wrote:I don't know when people are going to realize that James Jones isn't getting any big fish. he will probably trade for aaron holiday and call it a day. no major improvement. Just will rely on the status quo and health.


I think he may try to trade for Torrey Craig again again
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Post#2076 » by Saberestar » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:55 pm

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I wouldn't mind getting Dinwiddie - just not sure what the Raptors would want

I really don’t care about FVV...very good player but the guy that I want from the Raptors is Anunoby.

Crowder + 2 unprotected FRPs and probably we get him.
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Post#2077 » by BobbieL » Mon Feb 6, 2023 9:59 pm

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I wouldn't mind getting Dinwiddie - just not sure what the Raptors would want

I really don’t care about FVV...very good player but the guy that I want from the Raptors is Anunoby.

Crowder + 2 unprotected FRPs and probably we get him.


Crowder for Allen and 2 second rounders

Cam and whatever cash for OG and one FRP
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Post#2078 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Feb 6, 2023 10:03 pm

It pains me to say this because I've always loved Van Vleet but his next contract scares the hell out of me.

I'd almost rather get in on the Dinwiddie side of that and take on his more reasonable and controled salary.

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Post#2079 » by Jdiddy701 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 10:05 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:It pains me to say this because I've always loved Van Vleet but his next contract scares the hell out of me.

I'd almost rather get in on the Dinwiddie side of that and take on his more reasonable and controled salary.

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What I like about FVV is that we’re basically the same team as we are now but no longer have the dark cloud hanging over of when Chris Paul will break down. I don’t think we’re necessarily a better team with him but definitely not a worse team. Kinda feel like replacing him for Chris Paul is basically extending the timeline of our current group because I don’t think there’s much drop off/if any from the Suns CP3 version to FVV. I hope that makes sense.


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Post#2080 » by Azsports77 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 10:05 pm

I think the Nets are delusional why are they wasting their time trying to get players to put around player that will ask for a trade again in the summer and He will Fred Van Fleet is not good enough to win a title with Kevin Durant. A well run organization would realize that they are delaying their ability to win a title by holding on to a superstar that will only continue to fade and lose value it doesn’t make sense and of course Dallas wants Durant to stay right where he is lol. One last thing I want Durant to say something his friend was just traded no nothing why is that?

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