2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Puff]

I would just call up Jae Crowder and give him a 2year 20MIl contract extension while keeping all our draft picks and call it a day. CP, Mikal and I expect many other players would be happy.

We would keep a very good team together and be able to draft Crowder's replacement this summer.

I know that is too simple, but it is a better solution than any trade I see us making. I hope JJ and the new owner surprise me with something that is better.

[NapoleonII]

I would just call up Jae Crowder and give him a 2year 20MIl contract extension while keeping all our draft picks and call it a day. CP, Mikal and I expect many other players would be happy.

We would keep a very good team together and be able to draft Crowder's replacement this summer.

I know that is too simple, but it is a better solution than any trade I see us making. I hope JJ and the new owner surprise me with something that is better.

Wait I actually like this.

[BobbieL]

It pains me to say this because I've always loved Van Vleet but his next contract scares the hell out of me.

I'd almost rather get in on the Dinwiddie side of that and take on his more reasonable and controled salary.

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Totally agree

I just don't know what the Nets or Raptors would want

If the Crowder to the Bucks for 2 seconds is legit - that could be the start - get that player and picks. Saric, Craig, even payne is almost expiring

[lilfishi22]

Which, if you believe all of this and we didn't give cp3 a heads up, is the point by the Nets. They wanna sour things over here so while we're dealing with internal strife, we can't bother/tamper about KD.

If this is true, it makes our next game (vs Brooklyn of all teams lol) and quite frankly our next 72 hours very interesting.

That scorched earth approach to stop us from "bothering/tampering" about KD is a great way to destroy a good chunk of goodwill you might with like 29 other teams

If things are bad and this is an if...would you guys do the LAL trade?

We get Westbrook and let's say 1 of those picks for cp3 and Crowder? Maybe the latter pick, 2027....

I don't know what I'd say to that, probably yes I suppose. If we have a mad Chris Paul might as well get assets from him. Can use that LAL pick for another trade.... though it appears that KD is off the table. Can't trust the Nets would work with us after this.....

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Yes, I mentioned this trade early this season as something I would be open to. Not only do we get certainty of removing the guaranteed salary owed to CP3, we also get a pick out of it. I also think we could use a wrecking ball type of player like Westbrook, even for a year. I think the emergence of Mikal's new found offense makes the transition more palatable instead of relying solely on Book to create for the team. I also think Westbrook, despite all his flaws and lowish BBIQ, I think he brings enough positive to offset the negative.

[TOO]

I would just call up Jae Crowder and give him a 2year 20MIl contract extension while keeping all our draft picks and call it a day. CP, Mikal and I expect many other players would be happy.

We would keep a very good team together and be able to draft Crowder's replacement this summer.

I know that is too simple, but it is a better solution than any trade I see us making. I hope JJ and the new owner surprise me with something that is better.

Wait I actually like this.

**** Jae Crowder.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It pains me to say this because I've always loved Van Vleet but his next contract scares the hell out of me.

I'd almost rather get in on the Dinwiddie side of that and take on his more reasonable and controled salary.

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What I like about FVV is that we’re basically the same team as we are now but no longer have the dark cloud hanging over of when Chris Paul will break down. I don’t think we’re necessarily a better team with him but definitely not a worse team. Kinda feel like replacing him for Chris Paul is basically extending the timeline of our current group because I don’t think there’s much drop off/if any from the Suns CP3 version to FVV. I hope that makes sense.


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Totally get it and I'm not against trading for Fred. I was all about trying to sign him a few years back when he was a RFA. I love that scrappy little bastard. I just fear little guards as the age, CP is the exception to that but so many of these guys fall off a cliff in their 30s as they lose foot speed. But hey it's not my money and if the new owner is comfortable paying fred what he needs this summer that's cool.

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[lilfishi22]

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Buy really low opportunity (IF Paul must go after this) to get an All NBA level defender and facilitator??
I personally would do it and run him at the 4 (defensively) in a Draymond Green type of role to minimize his current shooting/confidence deficiencies. He could come in handy in the playoffs as a switchable elite defender against the Luka's, Kwahi's, George's and Giannis's of the league! He's got two years left, But would be a massive expiring for us in 2024! Again, I only suggest this in interest of playing him at the 4, similar to how Golden state utilizes Green defensively and as a secondary frontcourt playmaker! And because his value is so low that it wouldn't really cost us any significant assets!

And IF we'd truly have no interest ourselves, Perhaps we could acquire him and then flip him in a three way trade to Toronto for Van Vleet and Anunoby or for Van Vleet and Trent? Or maybe to Utah for some combination of Sexton, Vanderbilt, Olynyk or Sexton, (Beasley or Clarkson), and Vandy?

Nope. Nets took the bait and now they are stuck with him. He just isn't the same player he was and yeah in theory he could be a Draymond lite but no one has really been able to unlock that. I sure as hell am not willing to gamble a significant chunk of our salary cap on trying to unlock that. People say no contract is truly untradeable and that might be true but those bad deals that do get moved generally requires additional assets just to make it enticing enough for another team to take it.

[bigfoot]

I would just call up Jae Crowder and give him a 2year 20MIl contract extension while keeping all our draft picks and call it a day. CP, Mikal and I expect many other players would be happy.

We would keep a very good team together and be able to draft Crowder's replacement this summer.

I know that is too simple, but it is a better solution than any trade I see us making. I hope JJ and the new owner surprise me with something that is better.

Wait I actually like this.

Yeah, this would probably be the best idea for the season. Players could blame it on cheap Sarver and the new owner could step in and say he thought Jae was worth a two-year $20M contract with a team option in the second year.

[Jdiddy701]

I would just call up Jae Crowder and give him a 2year 20MIl contract extension while keeping all our draft picks and call it a day. CP, Mikal and I expect many other players would be happy.

We would keep a very good team together and be able to draft Crowder's replacement this summer.

I know that is too simple, but it is a better solution than any trade I see us making. I hope JJ and the new owner surprise me with something that is better.

As much as I hate how Crowder has handled the situation, I also would love this.


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[Ghost of Kleine]

Our big under the radar moves should be " Buy low" scenarios!! Just spend a little, adding John Collins and DeAngelo Russell already. Then toss a protected first to Denver for Hyland! IF you don't really want Collins, then maybe just do Saric ( or Crowder) Shamet and a protected future first and two 2nds for Boucher and Trent Jr.

[lilfishi22]

Why not take a flyier on Simmons if it's for peanuts? Say Crowder, Shamet, Saric for Simmons, Curry? If it doesn't work, you have a big contract to use in a future trade

How about trying to go after Dinwwidie? He wanted to be in Phoenix.

Like everyone is after KD but why not take advantage of an easier/lower level deal that makes us better? We have a good team, we don't need KD to be great. Especially if it means killing our future and depth.

Because $80m owing is NOT peanuts.

[Qwigglez]

Some folks are thinking he could get traded for KD.

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[Qwigglez]

Why not take a flyier on Simmons if it's for peanuts? Say Crowder, Shamet, Saric for Simmons, Curry? If it doesn't work, you have a big contract to use in a future trade

How about trying to go after Dinwwidie? He wanted to be in Phoenix.

Like everyone is after KD but why not take advantage of an easier/lower level deal that makes us better? We have a good team, we don't need KD to be great. Especially if it means killing our future and depth.

Because $80m owing is NOT peanuts.

I don't know any player in the NBA right now that would be excited with the prospect of playing with Ben Simmons. I'd pay Draymond Green a similar contract to Ben Simmons just because I know Green would go out on the court and play with some heart.

[Qwigglez]

Would any of these teams say no?

Suns get -
D'Angelo Russell

Wolves get -
Fred Van Vleet
Jae Crowder

Raptors get -
Landry Shamet
Dario Saric
Jaylen Nowell
2 2nd round picks from Suns
2nd round pick from NY from Wolves

Wolves want more vet leadership and guarantee making the playoffs. Raptors probably want a 1st. D'Lo fits the timeline of the rest of the Suns cast.

[lilfishi22]

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Sounds like Monty is denying the trade offer was made and calling it BS

I think it's more Monty referring to the leaking of the info

[Saberestar]

I would just call up Jae Crowder and give him a 2year 20MIl contract extension while keeping all our draft picks and call it a day. CP, Mikal and I expect many other players would be happy.

We would keep a very good team together and be able to draft Crowder's replacement this summer.

I know that is too simple, but it is a better solution than any trade I see us making. I hope JJ and the new owner surprise me with something that is better.

No way.

[lilfishi22]

“The Suns, to my knowledge were not the bidders in the end. The bidders were the Lakers and Mavs.” - Windy

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To me, bidding suggests an ongoing negotiation on the price. Windy saying we were not bidders suggests we put forward our fair/reasonable offer, the Nets said no and that was the end of the story.

[lilfishi22]

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No surprise that the story keeps changing.

I'd call that adding not really changing. At this point I'd say it's clear the suns made an offer and the Nets wanted more.

Are you upset the Suns didn't give in to their requests? That's a fine opinion (one I don't share) but be a little more clear about it.

I've also seen you say this will have Jones in hot water with Mat, don't you realize that on a deal of that nature Mat is directly involved? Like if he wanted to trade Cam or more picks then Kyrie would be in Phoenix right now?

Just trying to figure out what you're mad about. Because it seems like you just don't like Jones (which is fine) and are looking for reasons to get mad.

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I don't want to keep going in circles about JJ. I defended him previously because I understood that the team was being sold. Now that I see how he bailed on Kyrie over picks I'm done with his bull.

You know how I know it was JJ? Immediately after Kyrie was traded (to our biggest rival) Haynes put out a tweet about how we were ready to pursue KD again. What a **** joke because why would the Nets even pick up the phone.

Please explain to me why Matt would trade CamJo when he wasn't the one that couldn't reach an agreement on his extension. In fact we heard that he contacted his lawyers about getting him an extension.

The time has come for a different and fresh approach which I hope comes with major changes.

So you want us to go through with that supposed Godfather offer of CP3/Crowder/3 picks?

[lilfishi22]

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[lilfishi22]

I would just call up Jae Crowder and give him a 2year 20MIl contract extension while keeping all our draft picks and call it a day. CP, Mikal and I expect many other players would be happy.

We would keep a very good team together and be able to draft Crowder's replacement this summer.

I know that is too simple, but it is a better solution than any trade I see us making. I hope JJ and the new owner surprise me with something that is better.

After what he did this season, I don't think we should reward that unprofessional behaviour