2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

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Simmons suggested Westbrook and picks for Beal


If the wizards want cap space

[Waylay13]

Would any of these teams say no?

Suns get -
D'Angelo Russell

Wolves get -
Fred Van Vleet
Jae Crowder

Raptors get -
Landry Shamet
Dario Saric
Jaylen Nowell
2 2nd round picks from Suns
2nd round pick from NY from Wolves

Wolves want more vet leadership and guarantee making the playoffs. Raptors probably want a 1st. D'Lo fits the timeline of the rest of the Suns cast.

I like it! But I'd imagine the raps are expecting at the very least, a 1st or even two for Van Vleet unfortunately!

Remember just say no to Idiots!!! and DLO is a world classes idiot.

[sunskerr]

Would any of these teams say no?

Suns get -
D'Angelo Russell

Wolves get -
Fred Van Vleet
Jae Crowder

Raptors get -
Landry Shamet
Dario Saric
Jaylen Nowell
2 2nd round picks from Suns
2nd round pick from NY from Wolves

Wolves want more vet leadership and guarantee making the playoffs. Raptors probably want a 1st. D'Lo fits the timeline of the rest of the Suns cast.

I like it! But I'd imagine the raps are expecting at the very least, a 1st or even two for Van Vleet unfortunately!

Remember just say no to Idiots!!! and DLO is a world classes idiot.

Waylay, with all due respect, that idiot is averaging 18/6 on 46% shooting

[Qwigglez]

Remember just say no to Idiots!!! and DLO is a world classes idiot.

Why is he an idiot? He's playing the best basketball of his career to start the 2023 year averaging 20 points, 6 assists, 1 steal, shooting 47% and 45% from 3. The Wolves are 12-6 their last 18 games, this is all without Towns and a handful of games without Gobert.

I don't think the Wolves actually trade him because he's been playing so well lately.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Nope. Nets took the bait and now they are stuck with him. He just isn't the same player he was and yeah in theory he could be a Draymond lite but no one has really been able to unlock that. I sure as hell am not willing to gamble a significant chunk of our salary cap on trying to unlock that. People say no contract is truly untradeable and that might be true but those bad deals that do get moved generally requires additional assets just to make it enticing enough for another team to take it.

I would say just flip him elsewhere in a 3 team deal for other assets then as previously suggested. Maybe to Utah or Orlando or Charlotte?? IF we're not really interested in taking that risk. Although I don't really know who else we should be expecting to be a realistic get that's still an all NBA level defender with playmaking/ ballhandling ability that could take pressure off both Paul and Booker whilst also defending the perimeter and the frontcourt next to Ayton.. it's not like these kind of buy low opportunities come around very often either!

But there's also the distinct possibility that the Nets may just not choose to deal with us anyways at all because of the apparent ludicrous levels of butthurt they seem to still have from the KD pursuit and they're revealing the trade package to screw us and screw up our chemistry. Nevertheless we absolutely should be all in on being a 3rd team facilitator to them moving Simmons or in a Toronto trade even if it yields a Boucher and Trent type return.

We must choose a directional move here! Either "ALL IN" this season before teams fully power up further or move Paul and don't go down the mediocre treadmill path!

If we trade for him, he's *our* problem until we can find a taker. We all know 3 team trades are complicated and generally difficult to pull off. And if we're not interested why/how would we convince someone else to take him off our hands? ALso he's not the all-NBA defender he once was

Eye of the beholder value situation, It really only takes one team having interest. As for the 3 team trade premise, He obviously wouldn't be our problem IF another team is getting him and sending us assets and we in turn get assets back from either Brooklyn or the team receiving him?? As for him not being the same ALL NBA defender he once was, It's honestly not like he's old or on the wrong side of 30 or anything! The kid is still only 26 and not even fully into his prime yet. I do believe that in a different environment and in a simplified role wherein there's not pressure on him offensively, and wherein we're only asking him to be strong defensively, maybe rebound, defend the switch, handle the ball, and pass the ball. All things he could still easily do at an elite level regardless of his confidence issues around shooting, which won't even be a factor as again, we're not asking him to be an offensive option. Only an elite defender and playmaker that can help take pressure off of Book and Paul. This is how you minimize his concerns and maximize his defensive and playmaking strengths! He's easily worth taking the risk in contrast to the typical kick the can down the road until the wheels fall off strategy.

[BobbieL]

I like it! But I'd imagine the raps are expecting at the very least, a 1st or even two for Van Vleet unfortunately!

Remember just say no to Idiots!!! and DLO is a world classes idiot.

Waylay, with all due respect, that idiot is averaging 18/6 on 46% shooting

Not sure the Raptors do it - but would do that in a heartbeat

Russel would be a good getv

[Ghost of Kleine]

We missed out on a buy low target in Markannen, if we can get Simmons, Dinwwidie, and Curry without losing any core player, you do it.

I don't hate Simmons, and I would agree to trade for him if he didn't have a $35 million contract. That would gut the team however if he continues to put up 7.4 points, 6.4 assists, 6.5 rebounds. I do think he might be an ideal candidate for a CP3 replacement with Booker, Bridges, Cam Johnson, and even Ayton being able to take over the scoring load, but it's a big risk.

I will say... if the cost was just Crowder, Shamet, and Dario, I probably do it. Only because Crowder provided no value to the team this year, Shamet had a couple of games of help, and Dario has recently been somewhat helpful.

It's not like he's really that much of a long term investment considering he basically expires the same time as Paul. And IF Paul is actually bought out or dumped as an expiring next season, then that'd cut a large portion of Simmons salary off the books. And then you simply transition Simmons into the backcourt alongside Book and still have Johnson at the 4 letting Simmons. Bridges, Okogie cover defensively whilst Book can focus fully on going full nuclear offensively along with Johnson and Ayton (but most Book)!! Again, he'll be a huge expiring after next season right in time for a big summer free agency! And maybe just maybe IF Toronto determines they can't offer Siakim the supermax, or another team wants to move their disgruntled star, then we have the BIG EXPIRING contract to actually do it (trade asset).

[lilfishi22]

I would say just flip him elsewhere in a 3 team deal for other assets then as previously suggested. Maybe to Utah or Orlando or Charlotte?? IF we're not really interested in taking that risk. Although I don't really know who else we should be expecting to be a realistic get that's still an all NBA level defender with playmaking/ ballhandling ability that could take pressure off both Paul and Booker whilst also defending the perimeter and the frontcourt next to Ayton.. it's not like these kind of buy low opportunities come around very often either!

But there's also the distinct possibility that the Nets may just not choose to deal with us anyways at all because of the apparent ludicrous levels of butthurt they seem to still have from the KD pursuit and they're revealing the trade package to screw us and screw up our chemistry. Nevertheless we absolutely should be all in on being a 3rd team facilitator to them moving Simmons or in a Toronto trade even if it yields a Boucher and Trent type return.

We must choose a directional move here! Either "ALL IN" this season before teams fully power up further or move Paul and don't go down the mediocre treadmill path!

If we trade for him, he's *our* problem until we can find a taker. We all know 3 team trades are complicated and generally difficult to pull off. And if we're not interested why/how would we convince someone else to take him off our hands? ALso he's not the all-NBA defender he once was

Eye of the beholder value situation, It really only takes one team having interest. As for the 3 team trade premise, He obviously wouldn't be our problem IF another team is getting him and sending us assets and we in turn get assets back from either Brooklyn or the team receiving him?? As for him not being the same ALL NBA defender he once was, It's honestly not like he's old or on the wrong side of 30 or anything! The kid is still only 26 and not even fully into his prime yet. I do believe that in a different environment and in a simplified role wherein there's not pressure on him offensively, and wherein we're only asking him to be strong defensively, maybe rebound, defend the switch, handle the ball, and pass the ball. All things he could still easily do at an elite level regardless of his confidence issues around shooting, which won't even be a factor as again, we're not asking him to be an offensive option. Only an elite defender and playmaker that can help take pressure off of Book and Paul. This is how you minimize his concerns and maximize his defensive and playmaking strengths! He's easily worth taking the risk in contrast to the typical kick the can down the road until the wheels fall off strategy.

The guy has zero value. And I'd go out and say he probably has negative value because of his contract. 7/6/6 for a guy getting paid almost $40m a year is absolute insanity. And he doesn't even play every game for one reason or another. The guy had back surgery less than a year ago and just doesn't look anywhere as mobile as he once was. It's not because he's old, it's because he's physically not all there and that's not even mentioning the mental part which is hard to fix/diagnose. This guy is a walking red flag on nearly $40m a year, let's please please please stop pretending like it's some cheap gamble. It would be like if someone offered you to buy their mechanically problematic sportscar for $1000. Seems like a low cost reclamation project right? Except that lemon of a car also has finance attached to it that is far in excess of the cost of the car itself. That is not a gamble

On that note, we should also stop assuming that some team is definitely interested and would be happy to take it off our hands because if that was the case, the Nets would've jettisoned Simmons already.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

If we trade for him, he's *our* problem until we can find a taker. We all know 3 team trades are complicated and generally difficult to pull off. And if we're not interested why/how would we convince someone else to take him off our hands? ALso he's not the all-NBA defender he once was

Eye of the beholder value situation, It really only takes one team having interest. As for the 3 team trade premise, He obviously wouldn't be our problem IF another team is getting him and sending us assets and we in turn get assets back from either Brooklyn or the team receiving him?? As for him not being the same ALL NBA defender he once was, It's honestly not like he's old or on the wrong side of 30 or anything! The kid is still only 26 and not even fully into his prime yet. I do believe that in a different environment and in a simplified role wherein there's not pressure on him offensively, and wherein we're only asking him to be strong defensively, maybe rebound, defend the switch, handle the ball, and pass the ball. All things he could still easily do at an elite level regardless of his confidence issues around shooting, which won't even be a factor as again, we're not asking him to be an offensive option. Only an elite defender and playmaker that can help take pressure off of Book and Paul. This is how you minimize his concerns and maximize his defensive and playmaking strengths! He's easily worth taking the risk in contrast to the typical kick the can down the road until the wheels fall off strategy.

The guy has zero value. And I'd go out and say he probably has negative value because of his contract. 7/6/6 for a guy getting paid almost $40m a year is absolute insanity. And he doesn't even play every game for one reason or another. The guy had back surgery less than a year ago and just doesn't look anywhere as mobile as he once was. It's not because he's old, it's because he's physically not all there and that's not even mentioning the mental part which is hard to fix/diagnose. This guy is a walking red flag on nearly $40m a year, let's please please please stop pretending like it's some cheap gamble. It would be like if someone offered you to buy their mechanically problematic sportscar for $1000. Seems like a low cost reclamation project right? Except that lemon of a car also has finance attached to it that is far in excess of the cost of the car itself. That is not a gamble

On that note, we should also stop assuming that some team is definitely interested and would be happy to take it off our hands because if that was the case, the Nets would've jettisoned Simmons already.

You're opinion is respectfully noted.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Don't anyone tell Fish about this! Because there couldn't possibly be anyone interested in Simmons.

[BobbieL]

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Don't anyone tell Fish about this! Because there couldn't possibly be anyone interested in Simmons.

Simmons got Siakam seems like bad value

Ayton for Siakam seems better

[bwgood77]

Regarding Ben Simmons:

Strike One: Not sure where or when I heard this, but there is bad blood between Booker and Simmons. We don't want a player to further disrupt our already BAD team chemistry. I think it was Barkley who said the other day... "they don't like each other".

Strike Two: Simmons can't shoot. Not sure if anyone has watched him... ever... but he is epically bad at shooting the basketball.

Strike Three: I personally question his heart and motivations after the Embid / 76er's drama. The guys played the "I'm not mentally right" card last year, and singlehandedly held a franchise hostage until they traded him.

Can we stop talking about this guy please? He. Will. NOT. Help. The. Suns.

I don't think we have bad team chemistry at all. I think Barkley is making assumptions/speculating. I think the frustration level was VERY high when we were losing (as it should be) and it was getting to Bridges and Ayton and others and they got in some arguments. I think once things are going well again they put this stuff behind them.

I do have a slight concern their friendship was impacted, but they don't seem like guys that would be like that, especially after we got through the rough patch. Winning kind of cures all.

I do think Booker seems fine trading anyone if he can get a star to play with. He likely signed off on a Paul deal and I'm sure would sign off on an Ayton deal. Probably a Cam deal. Not sure about a Bridges deal unless it was a major major star. Who knows though? He might not care if we trade anyone. And I guess I'm not totally positive they would even run anything by him....but I'd guess they do.

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[bwgood77]

Regarding the poll, I’d love to play Booker at PG if we had a Draymond/Randle/Odom type at the PF who can playmake and run offense at times. If we don’t have a guy like that, then a starting PG or combo guard will be a necessity. I’ve always wanted Fox next to Booker but that doesn’t feel realistic anymore. Lonzo if his knee can ever recover would be a good option too.

Yeah, I thought about that too when making the poll, like if we had a guy with the skills like a Sabonis at PF (or the guys you mentioned), obviously it wouldn't matter if Book played PG.

But many teams just have a pure shooter at SG with one PG so they really have one primary ball handler.

I feel that Book is close to being able to play that role and primary scorer like many PGs do (like a Lillard) and I think Bridges is a very capable ball handler as well who will only get better. He has had a number of high assist games.

I think in general our team is very good at moving the ball when Paul is out if the others are healthy and given the improvements of most of them, are better now than ever at it.

[bwgood77]

Remember just say no to Idiots!!! and DLO is a world classes idiot.

Why is he an idiot? He's playing the best basketball of his career to start the 2023 year averaging 20 points, 6 assists, 1 steal, shooting 47% and 45% from 3. The Wolves are 12-6 their last 18 games, this is all without Towns and a handful of games without Gobert.

I don't think the Wolves actually trade him because he's been playing so well lately.

Yeah, I never thought I'd say that DLo might be better than FVV but he sure is this year. He is at about Dinwiddie's level, though I'd prefer Dinwiddie (not that we will get him).

I don't see us having anything the TWolves want unless they want Paul.

But he expires so are they going to keep him? They also have others who can average a lot of assists. Edwards is at 4.5 and Slo Mo at 5.5 and Towns at 5.6 so they have a lot of playmakers.

Expirings don't do much for them since DLo is an expiring AND he's playing well so they'd need picks and probably would want a good young player and a piece they could use. They would probably want Cam since it seems they would want shooting.

I wonder if we'd prefer DLo than giving Cam the money he wants. We know they said they were hesitant because of his injury history. It probably also depends on how much DLo wants/expects.

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I pray for the day something like this will happen to Dean Spanos being replaced.

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I was thinking the Blazers seem like a team that would make a hard run for KD if he was available given they desperately want to build around Kyrie. It's kind of like us with Book, but they could give them a very good PF in Grant plus Hart plus picks.

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I'm sure there's some way we could actually get in on this for some good pieces back?