Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[ciueli]

Have you watched Claxton this year? Lol

I think he’s being facetious

The analytics tell me fvv is basically kyle lowry. No idea why people think he has no value. The guy is a raptors legend, almost finals mvp, all star, strong hands, elite defender, elite basketball iq, two way player... and he's only 28 still in his prime. Wtf are people talking about his value like he's worth scraps. All stars like him should be getting a huge haul back. Nets should be throwing the farm at us. Imagine pairing him with kd? Who fuxking needs kyrie, at least he plays defense. When they meet in the finals he'll lock kyrie down easy like he shut down curry.

He just doesn’t quite have the same scoring efficiency Kyle had though, Kyle had better 2pt percentage and was better at getting to the line. Kyle is also a bit ahead in assists too, I would say he’s the better shot creator which is an important role for a point guard.

[SurgeIblocka]

Masai should just trade Fred for Daniels and JV and call it a day.

[Slim Charless]

Siakam a much better player. This is a crappy haul for our best player

ofc claxton isnt worth Siakam

But he is worth OG.

Dude for the past month put up 16 11 and 3 on 74% shooting

Claxton is not even worth OG. We could get more for OG from other teams and Masai knows it.

The only play at hand is Fred for Claxton
And BKN wants to do Dinwiddie for Fred

If a trade goes through it would be Fred for Claxton as Masai is not compromising, there is enough interest from Lakers, Clippers and Suns that Masai does not need to take Dinwiddie. Fred has shown he can lead a contender.

I'm not convinced there's interest from the Suns. We aren't benching Chris Paul and FVV for 35m (or whatever he wants) in the summer is.....alot for a backup PG.

We will see though. I think it's OG or maybe Siakam for us if our teams do a deal.

[SurgeIblocka]

Fred will fetch more than what people are thinking we may get. There is enough interest and he can help alot of teams

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If the Nets don't like it they can go to...oh, wait. We're the only sellers.

Bad time to build a contender, hu?

[SurgeIblocka]

ofc claxton isnt worth Siakam

But he is worth OG.

Dude for the past month put up 16 11 and 3 on 74% shooting

Claxton is not even worth OG. We could get more for OG from other teams and Masai knows it.

The only play at hand is Fred for Claxton
And BKN wants to do Dinwiddie for Fred

If a trade goes through it would be Fred for Claxton as Masai is not compromising, there is enough interest from Lakers, Clippers and Suns that Masai does not need to take Dinwiddie. Fred has shown he can lead a contender.

I'm not convinced there's interest from the Suns. We aren't benching Chris Paul and FVV for 35m (or whatever he wants) in the summer is.....alot for a backup PG.

We will see though. I think it's OG or maybe Siakam for us if our teams do a deal.

Nothing other than Bridges for OG and if your thinking Pascal then i dont think you have anything that would interest Masai to trade him to the Suns

[bballsparkin]

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Claxton is not even worth OG. We could get more for OG from other teams and Masai knows it.

The only play at hand is Fred for Claxton
And BKN wants to do Dinwiddie for Fred

If a trade goes through it would be Fred for Claxton as Masai is not compromising, there is enough interest from Lakers, Clippers and Suns that Masai does not need to take Dinwiddie. Fred has shown he can lead a contender.

Brooklyn would want Fred in order to get better. Trading Claxton does not achieve that. Dinwiddie and picks starting with that unprotected Dallas FRP works for me. Then trade Dinwiddie for a couple seconds.

[duppyy]

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[Boogie!]

Honestly at this point it seems to me that the raptors valuation of thwir players is way too high. And that's the problem. To think fvv could possibly be worth the max and be the future pg of this team lacked any sort of foresight imo. The Raptors should honestly take the best possible offer that's on the table now and run. Fvv will only play himself out of a better haul in the offseason.

[PhilBlackson]

https://www.tsn.ca/lewenberg-toronto-raptors-could-benefit-from-aggressive-post-kyrie-trade-market-at-deadline-1.1915913

Spoiler:

“Prior to completing the Irving trade on Monday, the Nets approached Toronto with the possibility of expanding the deal, sources confirmed to TSN, but the belief is that scenario – which would’ve sent VanVleet to Brooklyn in exchange for Dinwiddie and draft capital – never gained much traction.
While the Nets don’t have the quality or quantity of assets that some of those teams out West do, they can shop the 2029 unprotected pick they just received from Dallas, as well as Dinwiddie or Finney-Smith, though neither can be packaged with other players in a deal. They’re expected to be among the league’s most active teams ahead of Thursday’s deadline, so this isn’t the last time the Raptors will hear from them between now and then.
Raptors president Masai Ujiri and general manager Bobby Webster figure to be very popular over the coming days.For what it’s worth, they’ve been telling interested teams that if they don’t like what’s out there this week or if they’re not ready to make a big move, they’re willing to wait and play out the season. As TSN reported last month, the sense throughout the association has been that Ujiri’s preference is to retool around the core he built and believes in, as opposed to breaking it up and launching a full rebuild.
According to one league source, the Raptors have been reluctant to seriously engage with offers for Siakam and also don’t seem eager to move Anunoby, who’s under contract through next season. Where they might be feeling more urgency is with VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr., who are expected to opt for free agency this summer and will be seeking big raises.”

Interesting that Lewenberg is saying that Masai and Co. Ate not thrilled with offers so far and are ok with holding onto OG and Siakam. Fred and Trent would be the most likely traded due to contract status. Lewenberg has been used as a mouthpiece for the FO before.

This is so gross. Maybe they think they can pull a Lowry again with achiuwa not being available mid season but became available in the offseason with the sign and trade. Tbh, I don't see any team realistically offering fvv the money he wants and to me thats not a risk worth taking. Dinwiddie and some first round picks is good for me. They probably want Claxton too. If I'm the Nets though, Claxton Dinwiddie and some picks for a star pg is a steal

Legit this FO needs to be canned if they just sit on their hands & do nothing then run the risk of losing a guy for nothing or having to overpay him & turn this into one of the most expensive treadmill teams of all time. I don't buy they're not getting good offers when every report contradicts that. It would just show cowardice, they've been beyond reluctant to let go despite how painfully obvious how limited of a ceiling they have but it appears at times they only care about the floor and Playoff revenues.

As for trading FVV to BKN, for me the target should be Cam Thomas, not Claxton.

BKN will still want to keep Claxton to compete now anyways & Cam is such a natural replacement to come in and takeover that scoring production long term & likely surpass it as he's a legit bucket getter. We already have a bunch of long defenders, time to bring in more skills.

[SurgeIblocka]

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Claxton is not even worth OG. We could get more for OG from other teams and Masai knows it.

The only play at hand is Fred for Claxton
And BKN wants to do Dinwiddie for Fred

If a trade goes through it would be Fred for Claxton as Masai is not compromising, there is enough interest from Lakers, Clippers and Suns that Masai does not need to take Dinwiddie. Fred has shown he can lead a contender.

Brooklyn would want Fred in order to get better. Trading Claxton does not achieve that. Dinwiddie and picks starting with that unprotected Dallas FRP works for me. Then trade Dinwiddie for a couple seconds.

They can replace Claxton with Poetel from Spurs. Fred holds way more value than Dinwiddie and some low level pick in 2029. Im sure NO would trade Daniels and pick for Fred, i can see Clippers trading a better package than Spencer.

[goinrogue]

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Raptors beat writers use Woj’s Twitter as their sources.

This is Josh taking an educated guess that nothing will happen so it will look like he has insider knowledge if he’s correct.

[C_Money]

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Claxton is not even worth OG. We could get more for OG from other teams and Masai knows it.

The only play at hand is Fred for Claxton
And BKN wants to do Dinwiddie for Fred

If a trade goes through it would be Fred for Claxton as Masai is not compromising, there is enough interest from Lakers, Clippers and Suns that Masai does not need to take Dinwiddie. Fred has shown he can lead a contender.

Brooklyn would want Fred in order to get better. Trading Claxton does not achieve that. Dinwiddie and picks starting with that unprotected Dallas FRP works for me. Then trade Dinwiddie for a couple seconds.

Why not just keep Dinwiddie? If we’re keeping Siakam then the team obviously plans on trying to win next season.

[SurgeIblocka]

Lebron coming out and saying that hes ok with staying pat and focusing on current team after losing out on Irving. Lol some serious LEGM mind games being played. Everyone pretending like they dont need to trade from Raps, Lakers, Clippers etc. This is all posturing right now, i see Fred definitely being moved. OG and Trent only if its a cant refuse offee.

[Mark_83]

I doubt it but man, if Brooklyn would move Claxton + for Siakam that would be amazing. I don't think they would want to move him though given they have no replacement and he's key to their defense.

I think it would have to be a three-team deal where they move Simmons contract to someone else to make it work.

To TOR:
DAL FRP 2029
BRK FRP 2023 (25th)
MIA FRP 2023 (21st)
Sharpe (2.1M)
Thomas (2.1M)
Lowry (28.3M)

To BRK:
Siakam (35M)

To MIA:
Simmons (35M)

Reason for MIA:
Get out from Lowry's contract which has been a disappointment, and get a piece who can help them now.

Reason for Brooklyn:
Dump Simmons who does not fit their roster or system and get a piece that can help them now in theory.

Reason for Raptors:
It's complicated. the transaction works in the trade machine but value-wise it seems like a bunch of just ok pieces for Pascal. Raptors bring Lowry home for a farewell tour while we retool-rebuild, and then we have cap space in a year. Get a couple of intriguing young players in Cam and Sharpe (who was Scottie's teammate), and a couple of late FRP in an intriguing draft, plus a wild card Marvericks pick for later.

[SurgeIblocka]

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Claxton is not even worth OG. We could get more for OG from other teams and Masai knows it.

The only play at hand is Fred for Claxton
And BKN wants to do Dinwiddie for Fred

If a trade goes through it would be Fred for Claxton as Masai is not compromising, there is enough interest from Lakers, Clippers and Suns that Masai does not need to take Dinwiddie. Fred has shown he can lead a contender.

Brooklyn would want Fred in order to get better. Trading Claxton does not achieve that. Dinwiddie and picks starting with that unprotected Dallas FRP works for me. Then trade Dinwiddie for a couple seconds.

Why not just keep Dinwiddie? If we’re keeping Siakam then the team obviously plans on trying to win next season.

Cause he is not a long term solution at point guard and has two more years. They would rather develop Scottie at Point until a real solution either comes through the draft or trade. Dinwiddie cant lead a contender, if he could Nets wouldn't be trying to pawn him off for Fred.

[SurgeIblocka]

I doubt it but man, if Brooklyn would move Claxton + for Siakam that would be amazing. I don't think they would want to move him though given they have no replacement and he's key to their defense.

I think it would have to be a three-team deal where they move Simmons contract to someone else to make it work.

To TOR:
DAL FRP 2029
BRK FRP 2023 (25th)
MIA FRP 2023 (21st)
Sharpe (2.1M)
Thomas (2.1M)
Lowry (28.3M)

To BRK:
Siakam (35M)

To MIA:
Simmons (35M)

Reason for MIA:
Get out from Lowry's contract which has been a disappointment, and get a piece who can help them now.

Reason for Brooklyn:
Dump Simmons who does not fit their roster or system and get a piece that can help them now in theory.

Reason for Raptors:
It's complicated. the transaction works in the trade machine but value-wise it seems like a bunch of just ok pieces for Pascal. Raptors bring Lowry home for a farewell tour while we retool-rebuild, and then we have cap space in a year. Get a couple of intriguing young players in Cam and Sharpe (who was Scottie's teammate), and a couple of late FRP in an intriguing draft, plus a wild card Marvericks pick for later.

Lets bring back JV and Delon while we are at it lol. Raps aint taking back Lowry.

[bballsparkin]

They can replace Claxton with Poetel from Spurs. Fred holds way more value than Dinwiddie and some low level pick in 2029. Im sure NO would trade Daniels and pick for Fred, i can see Clippers trading a better package than Spencer.

Pick/s is the key. Although it doesn't seem they have much to offer.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2023/2/2/23582824/what-draft-picks-do-the-nets-have-to-offer-in-a-trade

I'm not so certain that pick will be low in 2029. Yet it certainly might be. I would want Dinwiddie sent to another team. I don't want to watch him play. What's so hot about what the LAC's can offer? I hope you're right about the value being more than I believe it is. Sometimes it's good to be wrong.

[SurgeIblocka]

If Raps were willing to take Dinwiddie and picks for Fred, that trade would have happened today before the Irving trade finalized. Trust me on this they are not trading Fred for Dinwiddie its either Claxton or they move to next best offer from a team out West

[bballsparkin]

Why not just keep Dinwiddie? If we’re keeping Siakam then the team obviously plans on trying to win next season.

I have a premonition he'll mess up the draft pick. He must be re-routed. Unless he's fine with sitting the season out.