Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[C_Money]

Cam Thomas was +3 tonight. Maybe blame the other players?

+ 3 after scoring 47 pts is nothing to brag about. Just goes to show how bad a defender he is

Wtf. They likely would have got obliterated if not for him.

[SurgeIblocka]

Cam Thomas was +3 tonight. Maybe blame the other players?

+ 3 after scoring 47 pts is nothing to brag about. Just goes to show how bad a defender he is

Wtf. They likely would have got obliterated if not for him.

It means when your + 3 and you scored 47 points, basically when he wasn’t playing the rest of his team scored only 3pts less in the same extrapolate time frame. So its not like the rest of his team was underperforming at all.


+/- – the plus/minus statistic is a measure of the point differential when players are in and out of a game. It is calculated by taking the difference in the score when the player enters the game and subtracting it from the score when the player exits the game.

[TrustFundBaby]

Guys there's a million cam Thomas types in this league

Small scoring guard that can't do anything else

Literally tonight Jaden Hardy, a second round pick, just went off. That's what these microwave scorers do.

I guarantee Masai isn't fooled by these last 2 games lol, he still has little value and will certainly NOT be a centerpiece.

Curious, do you think Josh Green us better than Cam Thomas because Green is one inch taller?

And how do you feel about Donovan Mitchell btw?

I think Green has better potential for a winning team, yeah. He doesn't have the bag of a guy like Cam, but he's taller, more athletic, better defender by far. I can see him contribute right now for the Mavs as a 3&D guy already.

Cam until the trades was catching DNPs from time to time, I wouldn't be surprised if he fell out of the rotation again once the new look Nets settle in

As for Donovan, i think he's the best you can hope for from this archetype of player. Guys like Him, Zach Lavine, Beal. Even still, the guys I mentioned are terrible passers, defenders, don't have elite size.

In today's NBA, on top of being able to score, you need to pass, shoot, defend at a high level, and having size helps with not getting abused on that end . You have to be absolutely elite at scoring if your not gonna do anything else. There's a reason why guys like Maxey and Poole have been sent to the bench, and Herro was 6MOY last year. These microwave scorers are best used off the bench playing with weaker units that need someone to score the ball while the starters rest.

KD doesn't need Cam to score, that's what he's there for. He needs the guys around him to D up, crash the glass, move the ball, and hit open shots.

[PhilBlackson]

Hes a chucker who gets baskets in extended minutes cause hes a ball hog. You think Fred holds the ball to much wait until you go actually watch his games. The guy has been benched multiple times because of his selfish play.

But no let’s play your game and think he would be a great asset we should trade Pascal or OG for.

Per 36 stats (which I hate to use but I have to since Thomas doesn’t play mins due to Kyrie/KD)

Bradley Beal at age 21: 16 pts, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 turnovers

Devin Booker at age 21: 22 pts, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 turnovers

Cam Thomas at age 21: 21 pts, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 turnovers

Are Booker and Beal “ball hogs” too that you wouldn’t trade Pascal or OG for if they were available as well?

Look how Beal/Booker developed. I’m not saying Cam will definitely be as good as Beal/Booker but there’s no saying that he can’t come close to a player like that.

I have no doubt he can be a top scorer but at what cost.
He has got benched because he wouldn’t pass to KD this year. You really want another Terrence D experiment on our hands, I’m sure Terrence’s per 36 stats would be similar.

per 36 stats this year

Cole Anthony 17.2 pts
RJ Barrett 20.9 pts


Oh and our very own

Ron Harper Jr. 32.0 pts

( wow we have the next KD right under our noses )

Your comparisons to TD & Harper are horrible, you literally just need to go watch some footage or check his stats.

He's always been a bucket getter and wayyy better than a guy like "Terrence D or Ron Harper Jr" even from college ie/ Cam had one of the best scoring averages (23ppg as a FRESHMAN) of ANY of the top SGs in the league right now. Davis & RH Jr were role players in college (that never had a season above 15ppg as a SENIORS, career 12ppg). You literally just need to go & watch the VARIETY of ways that he scores to see the obvious difference in shot creation ability, you're just in this weird/sad state of denial.

[SurgeIblocka]

Guys there's a million cam Thomas types in this league

Small scoring guard that can't do anything else

Literally tonight Jaden Hardy, a second round pick, just went off. That's what these microwave scorers do.

I guarantee Masai isn't fooled by these last 2 games lol, he still has little value and will certainly NOT be a centerpiece.

Curious, do you think Josh Green us better than Cam Thomas because Green is one inch taller?

And how do you feel about Donovan Mitchell btw?

I think Green has better potential for a winning team, yeah. He doesn't have the bag of a guy like Cam, but he's taller, more athletic, better defender by far. I can see him contribute right now for the Mavs as a 3&D guy already.

Cam until the trades was catching DNPs from time to time, I wouldn't be surprised if he fell out of the rotation again once the new look Nets settle in

As for Donovan, i think he's the best you can hope for from this archetype of player. Guys like Him, Zach Lavine, Beal. Even still, the guys I mentioned are terrible passers, defenders, don't have elite size.

In today's NBA, on top of being able to score, you need to pass, shoot, defend at a high level, and having size helps with not getting abused on that end . You have to be absolutely elite at scoring if your not gonna do anything else. There's a reason why guys like Maxey and Poole have been sent to the bench, and Herro was 6MOY last year. These microwave scorers are best used off the bench playing with weaker units that need someone to score the ball while the starters rest.

KD doesn't need Cam to score, that's what he's there for. He needs the guys around him to D up, crash the glass, move the ball, and hit open shots.

[Bruin]

Manifesting a trade going down tomorrow

[SurgeIblocka]

Per 36 stats (which I hate to use but I have to since Thomas doesn’t play mins due to Kyrie/KD)

Bradley Beal at age 21: 16 pts, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 turnovers

Devin Booker at age 21: 22 pts, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 turnovers

Cam Thomas at age 21: 21 pts, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 turnovers

Are Booker and Beal “ball hogs” too that you wouldn’t trade Pascal or OG for if they were available as well?

Look how Beal/Booker developed. I’m not saying Cam will definitely be as good as Beal/Booker but there’s no saying that he can’t come close to a player like that.

I have no doubt he can be a top scorer but at what cost.
He has got benched because he wouldn’t pass to KD this year. You really want another Terrence D experiment on our hands, I’m sure Terrence’s per 36 stats would be similar.

per 36 stats this year

Cole Anthony 17.2 pts
RJ Barrett 20.9 pts


Oh and our very own

Ron Harper Jr. 32.0 pts

( wow we have the next KD right under our noses )

Your comparisons to TD & Harper are horrible, you literally just need to go watch some footage or check his stats.

He's always been a bucket getter and wayyy better than a guy like "Terrence D or Ron Harper Jr" even from college ie/ Cam had one of the best scoring averages (23ppg as a FRESHMAN) of ANY of the top SGs in the league right now. Davis & RH Jr were role players in college (that never had a season above 15ppg as a SENIORS, career 12ppg). You literally just need to go & watch the VARIETY of ways that he scores to see the obvious difference in shot creation ability, you're just in this weird/sad state of denial.

Cam also in college took over 25% of the shots in games for his team. There is no doubt about his scoring ability, I am not debating that. What I am saying is that he forces a lot of shots, and is very ball dominant. For a player who hasn’t changed this style of not passing being the league for a few years now, I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

[C_Money]

+ 3 after scoring 47 pts is nothing to brag about. Just goes to show how bad a defender he is

Wtf. They likely would have got obliterated if not for him.

It means when your + 3 and you scored 47 points, basically when he wasn’t playing the rest of his team scored only 3pts less in the same extrapolate time frame. So its not like the rest of his team was underperforming at all.


+/- – the plus/minus statistic is a measure of the point differential when players are in and out of a game. It is calculated by taking the difference in the score when the player enters the game and subtracting it from the score when the player exits the game.

I know what +/- is. They would have got obliterated if not for him.

[PhilBlackson]

I have no doubt he can be a top scorer but at what cost.
He has got benched because he wouldn’t pass to KD this year. You really want another Terrence D experiment on our hands, I’m sure Terrence’s per 36 stats would be similar.

per 36 stats this year

Cole Anthony 17.2 pts
RJ Barrett 20.9 pts


Oh and our very own

Ron Harper Jr. 32.0 pts

( wow we have the next KD right under our noses )

Your comparisons to TD & Harper are horrible, you literally just need to go watch some footage or check his stats.

He's always been a bucket getter and wayyy better than a guy like "Terrence D or Ron Harper Jr" even from college ie/ Cam had one of the best scoring averages (23ppg as a FRESHMAN) of ANY of the top SGs in the league right now. Davis & RH Jr were role players in college (that never had a season above 15ppg as a SENIORS, career 12ppg). You literally just need to go & watch the VARIETY of ways that he scores to see the obvious difference in shot creation ability, you're just in this weird/sad state of denial.

Cam also in college took over 25% of the shots in games for his team. There is no doubt about his scoring ability, I am not debating that. What I am saying is that he forces a lot of shots, and is very ball dominant. For a player who hasn’t changed this style of not passing being the league for a few years now, I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

So?! lol that's what bucket getters do, put up shots. Whether we put him as an explosive Poole type of scorer or try to mold him more into a Beal, whatever the case, the team NEEDS another shot creator, Bobby said so himself but it will be especially true once we ship Fred.

Which btw what exact trade package are you expecting to get for Fred that would top BKN giving Thomas + pick(s)?!?

[SurgeIblocka]

Your comparisons to TD & Harper are horrible, you literally just need to go watch some footage or check his stats.

He's always been a bucket getter and wayyy better than a guy like "Terrence D or Ron Harper Jr" even from college ie/ Cam had one of the best scoring averages (23ppg as a FRESHMAN) of ANY of the top SGs in the league right now. Davis & RH Jr were role players in college (that never had a season above 15ppg as a SENIORS, career 12ppg). You literally just need to go & watch the VARIETY of ways that he scores to see the obvious difference in shot creation ability, you're just in this weird/sad state of denial.

Cam also in college took over 25% of the shots in games for his team. There is no doubt about his scoring ability, I am not debating that. What I am saying is that he forces a lot of shots, and is very ball dominant. For a player who hasn’t changed this style of not passing being the league for a few years now, I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

So?! lol that's what bucket getters do, put up shots. Whether we put him as an explosive Poole type of scorer or try to mold him more into a Beal, whatever the case, the team NEEDS another shot creator, Bobby said so himself but it will be especially true once we ship Fred.

Which btw what exact trade package are you expecting to get for Fred that would top BKN giving Thomas + pick(s)?!?

There is a difference between a shot creator who also passes and gets the rest of his team involved as well and then there are those who have tunnel vision and are just playing for themselves and not their team. If you cant see the difference then there is no sense in arguing. Cam as a limited minutes bench scorer in a 6th man role is fine, but to think he would be a net positive in extended minutes is fallacy.

[TheRaptor!]

Whatever players Masai targets I just dont want any ball dominant iso players, i want to go back to moving the ball and getting everyone involved.

f that

moving the ball to end up in the hands of precious to jack up a three or OG to awkwardly fumble the ball trying to drive to the rim.

No point sharing the ball if it ends up in the hands of offensively challenged players.

I watched the Nets game, win or lose it was hella entertaining.

This aint the local community center or YMCA, shots are not gonna be distributed equally. Scorers shoot more, role players stay in your lane and do your role

[Yeezus_]

Some of you guys assume the Raptors are ‘overvaluing’ their players. Why’s that a fair assumption when the trade deadline is two days away? You guys arent on the phones with other GMs to know if offers will be the best it is now or even tomorrow. Maybe you guys should be a little patient on how negotiations and deals happen.

[Chandan]

Some of you guys assume the Raptors are ‘overvaluing’ their players. Why’s that a fair assumption when the trade deadline is two days away? You guys arent on the phones with other GMs to know if offers will be the best it is now or even tomorrow. Maybe you guys should be a little patient on how negotiations and deals happen.

some are optimistic, some are pessimistic. There's no point questioning why who is on which side.

[WuTang_CMB]

Whats going to happen today?

Nothing lol

[Dude-niagara]

Some of you guys assume the Raptors are ‘overvaluing’ their players. Why’s that a fair assumption when the trade deadline is two days away? You guys arent on the phones with other GMs to know if offers will be the best it is now or even tomorrow. Maybe you guys should be a little patient on how negotiations and deals happen.

The reality it's the naive fans continue to worship Masai and think he is some miracle worker that has allowed him to become the highest paid in the NBA for doing nothing since 2019. At some point other GM'S will stop calling and understand the Raptors have no intention of trading anyone. Already reading reports about how they are trying to squeeze blood from a stone, yes he wants to totally skin another GM to make a deal.

The fact is the Raptors can only get better through trades and drafting, there are no great free agents signing here. This FO did not need some road trip to evaluate that this team is not very good as constructed.

Trades already should have been made and FO is stalling because they see an easy schedule up ahead and chance to climb the standings. I can tell you if indeed Masai does nothing then more of the fanbase will begin to turn on him. I think our game against the Rockets should have given them a clear view of what this team is about. My prediction is he does nothing and then has some presser to give his snake oil salesman speech. That will be a load of talking and yet saying nothing for naive fans to suck it all up. " just glad we have Masai" " He did the smart move waiting until the offseason" ' Masai is a genius" Those are the repeated standard comments from the naive fans that prop this man up. Were 5 games under .500 with our two top options about to both turn 29.

[bluerap23]

Masai definitely overrates our players which is partly why we’re in this mess to begin with. The fact that OG is untouchable is hilarious to me. Reminds me of Colangelo and Anthony Parker.

Masai is the opposite of Colangelo. He will only trade any player if his demands are met. He rightly knows he is in a position of power. He wants similar value to what Ainge received.

[MoMoneyMoProbs]

Whats going to happen today?

Nothing lol

That's the spirit!

[HumbleRen]

Bobby legacy is on the line this week.

[mtcan]

Cam also in college took over 25% of the shots in games for his team. There is no doubt about his scoring ability, I am not debating that. What I am saying is that he forces a lot of shots, and is very ball dominant. For a player who hasn’t changed this style of not passing being the league for a few years now, I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

So?! lol that's what bucket getters do, put up shots. Whether we put him as an explosive Poole type of scorer or try to mold him more into a Beal, whatever the case, the team NEEDS another shot creator, Bobby said so himself but it will be especially true once we ship Fred.

Which btw what exact trade package are you expecting to get for Fred that would top BKN giving Thomas + pick(s)?!?

There is a difference between a shot creator who also passes and gets the rest of his team involved as well and then there are those who have tunnel vision and are just playing for themselves and not their team. If you cant see the difference then there is no sense in arguing. Cam as a limited minutes bench scorer in a 6th man role is fine, but to think he would be a net positive in extended minutes is fallacy.

We have guys that pass and in fact we have had 3 guys playing together big minutes averaging close to 5 or more assists per game but problem with this team is that we lack guys to hit those shots on a consistent basis. Fred and Pascal both average about 6 assists per game each, and Scottie averages 4.8 assists per game.

The issue has never been having not enough guys that can pass...it is about having guys who can hit shots consistently.

I'm not buying into Masai's philosophy that he'd rather have 10 Pascals on this team because all of Pascal's shortcoming become magnified. You do need a mix of guys who may not all be 6'8 with 7 foot wing spans...but can do different things.

You need guys who can pass and guys who can score. Gary is the only real gunner on this team and it clearly not enough.

[bobbyp3588]

Bobby legacy is on the line this week.

Bobby’s like 25 years old. Lol.

He has decades still to cement his legacy.