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Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#201 » by Tha Cynic » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:41 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Barnes is just a raw player just trying to find his game. He's trying to find out what he's good at, what he's not so good at, when to attack, when not to attack. His offense is going to take time to develop consistency.

The positive thing is, he can pretty much sleepwalk to 15/7/5/1/1, which is a pretty high floor.


I think he's trying to emulate Magic (and Jordan etc.) a bit too much trying to invole everyone at first and then turning it up in the 4th. Its not a bad way to go but you need to be a star first. I would just take the ball out of his hands quarter 1-3 until he stops and turns the aggression up some. Should get his attention quick.

That would actually open the floor more for everyone and get him seeing more double teams, which arguably is better.


I do think he's having trouble finding the right time to attack. It's very clear he wants to do his thing on offense without hijacking the offense and he always picks and chooses a spot. That's why you see him play more of a role player role sitting on the perimeter or setting screens and not forcing it early in games on drives unless he's sure he'll score.

Once it gets later into games you can see him spring to life more and kind of take over the offense. Once he figures out the right balance and also gets that stamina right, he's going to dominate on offense the way we see him in smaller spurts. At this stage he also knows the team isn't winning games playing the way they currently are so letting others do their thing may not be it.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#202 » by Tha Cynic » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:43 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Scottie by Q

1st Q: 9.3 MIN, 4.1 PPG, 42.6 FG, 34.4 3PT, 69.7 FT (14.7 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
2nd Q: 7.9 MIN, 3.1 PPG, 40.8 FG, 29.7 3PT, 68.2 FT (12.8 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
3rd Q: 8.7 MIN, 3.2 PPG, 44.6 FG, 25.0 3PT, 87.1 FT (12.0 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
4th Q: 9.4 MIN, 5.4 PPG, 53.1 FG, 26.5 3PT, 83.6 FT (15.3 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)

He takes slightly more shot attempts in the 4th, but it's not a dramatic difference from the 1st Q. What is dramatic is his efficiency goes way up in the 4th Q. I think it's less about him being aggressive and more about finding the spots/matchups that favor him the most and he seems to find those in the 4th Q.


He's a lot more aggressive getting to his specific spots in the 4th whereas he plays around the team more in the first few quarters. It also puts Siakam on the perimeter usually, but at this stage we need to see it.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#203 » by blastttOFF » Mon Feb 6, 2023 7:54 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Scottie by Q

1st Q: 9.3 MIN, 4.1 PPG, 42.6 FG, 34.4 3PT, 69.7 FT (14.7 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
2nd Q: 7.9 MIN, 3.1 PPG, 40.8 FG, 29.7 3PT, 68.2 FT (12.8 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
3rd Q: 8.7 MIN, 3.2 PPG, 44.6 FG, 25.0 3PT, 87.1 FT (12.0 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
4th Q: 9.4 MIN, 5.4 PPG, 53.1 FG, 26.5 3PT, 83.6 FT (15.3 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)

He takes slightly more shot attempts in the 4th, but it's not a dramatic difference from the 1st Q. What is dramatic is his efficiency goes way up in the 4th Q. I think it's less about him being aggressive and more about finding the spots/matchups that favor him the most and he seems to find those in the 4th Q.


He's a lot more aggressive getting to his specific spots in the 4th whereas he plays around the team more in the first few quarters. It also puts Siakam on the perimeter usually, but at this stage we need to see it.


Some of the shots he takes also come in garbage time. I could think of the jazz game when he got a couple of buckets when the score is still within two possessions but out of hand at that point, but it would still count as a clutch bucket stat
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#204 » by Raps in 4 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:17 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Scottie by Q

1st Q: 9.3 MIN, 4.1 PPG, 42.6 FG, 34.4 3PT, 69.7 FT (14.7 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
2nd Q: 7.9 MIN, 3.1 PPG, 40.8 FG, 29.7 3PT, 68.2 FT (12.8 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
3rd Q: 8.7 MIN, 3.2 PPG, 44.6 FG, 25.0 3PT, 87.1 FT (12.0 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)
4th Q: 9.4 MIN, 5.4 PPG, 53.1 FG, 26.5 3PT, 83.6 FT (15.3 FG ATTEMPTS PER 36)

He takes slightly more shot attempts in the 4th, but it's not a dramatic difference from the 1st Q. What is dramatic is his efficiency goes way up in the 4th Q. I think it's less about him being aggressive and more about finding the spots/matchups that favor him the most and he seems to find those in the 4th Q.


I'm not sure if it's a mental thing or if its coaching, but he looks like a completely different player in the 4th quarters of games, especially when the team is down.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#205 » by Airmiess » Mon Feb 6, 2023 8:22 pm

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Johnny Bball wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Barnes is just a raw player just trying to find his game. He's trying to find out what he's good at, what he's not so good at, when to attack, when not to attack. His offense is going to take time to develop consistency.

The positive thing is, he can pretty much sleepwalk to 15/7/5/1/1, which is a pretty high floor.


I think he's trying to emulate Magic (and Jordan etc.) a bit too much trying to invole everyone at first and then turning it up in the 4th. Its not a bad way to go but you need to be a star first. I would just take the ball out of his hands quarter 1-3 until he stops and turns the aggression up some. Should get his attention quick.

That would actually open the floor more for everyone and get him seeing more double teams, which arguably is better.


I do think he's having trouble finding the right time to attack. It's very clear he wants to do his thing on offense without hijacking the offense and he always picks and chooses a spot. That's why you see him play more of a role player role sitting on the perimeter or setting screens and not forcing it early in games on drives unless he's sure he'll score.

Once it gets later into games you can see him spring to life more and kind of take over the offense. Once he figures out the right balance and also gets that stamina right, he's going to dominate on offense the way we see him in smaller spurts. At this stage he also knows the team isn't winning games playing the way they currently are so letting others do their thing may not be it.
I think he will develop a mindset similar to Jimmy Butler or CP3 where he only goes off when necessary. He will not mind being the guy who lets the game come to him.

His volumetric numbers might be lower than they should be because of that approach.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#206 » by HiJiNX » Mon Feb 6, 2023 11:55 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:I'm still taking Scottie #1 overall in a redraft right now.

No brainer imo.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#207 » by HumbleRen » Tue Feb 7, 2023 8:39 pm

Scottie was picked 12th in the Rising Star draft.

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#208 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Feb 7, 2023 9:55 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Scottie was picked 12th in the Rising Star draft.

Damn lol.


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Post#209 » by Clay Davis » Tue Feb 7, 2023 11:52 pm

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We aren’t going to win many games if he goes 1-7 for 3 quarters, even if he goes 6-8 in the 4th. No one should be all that worried, he’s 21 and apparently trying out new stuff in games. But carrying a team for 3 quarters is actually super important lol. No crunch time for him to take over if we’re down 20.

I never said it wasn't. My point is that it's a fairly common ability among stars in the NBA to be able to do that, it's what makes them stars, but that ability to close games in crunch time situations is far more rare.


The real test will come when he starts getting defensive attention. How's he going to react to teams packing the paint, sending doubles and triples at him. I hope we can start seeing that this year.

I think that's when he'll make the leap to being a real star, since doing that will just get him so much more in touch with the game. The living game. The game that's alive.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#210 » by HumbleRen » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:58 pm

Will be interesting to see how Scottie navigates the crowded space and how much of his usage goes down due to Poeltl being the screening hub.

Part of me thinks we're basically going to be treating him as a role player for the rest of the season. Other side of me thinks this might unlock Scottie's defensive potential as a roamer with Poeltl being at the rim.
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Post#211 » by will » Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:50 am

My apologies to you, Scottish.

Really thought it would be your time with the deadwood moving on.

I won't ever hold it against you if you decide to move on away from the deadwood once your rookie deal is up.

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Post#212 » by dTox » Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:35 am

HumbleRen wrote:Will be interesting to see how Scottie navigates the crowded space and how much of his usage goes down due to Poeltl being the screening hub.

Part of me thinks we're basically going to be treating him as a role player for the rest of the season. Other side of me thinks this might unlock Scottie's defensive potential as a roamer with Poeltl being at the rim.
He's going to be told to stand at the 3 pt line even longer than before

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Post#213 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:38 am

He will get real screens set for him though. Would be nice to see him run some real P&Rs
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Post#216 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:27 pm

in 4th quarters in 2023, Scottie is 5th in scoring, 12th in assists, 21st in rebounds in the NBA.
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Post#217 » by will » Sat Feb 11, 2023 6:16 pm

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Post#218 » by deeps6x » Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:34 pm

Not for much longer.
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Post#219 » by deeps6x » Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:40 pm

The minute OG gets back, Scottie should be our starting PG, and FVV should be our sixth man for the rest of the season. GTJ starting SG.

Perfect time for Scottie to work on his game, and possibly help the tank a bit as well.

Scottie screwed up stealing that win from Memphis. Cost us a draft pick slot or three. Scottie my man, would you rather have hollow wins in this craptastic season, or have the team draft a better player to play WITH you for the next few seasons? Take the Ls now and benefit down the road.

FVV may be the stat king (hollow stat king) on this team, but he doesn't play the game the right way.
Barnes DOES. Siakam DOES. OG DOES.
These three should be our core going forward. And I'd like to keep Gary as well.
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Post#220 » by AbC? » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:29 pm

I've lost all faith in Masai Dumars and if he thinks Barnes is the way out of the treadmill, he's going to be wrong about that too. He shouldn't have to be the savior. Great player, long career, might be a #2 one day, but best player on a championship team he is not. He's not that guy, he's never been that guy and the overwhelming odds are he'll never be that guy.
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