Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[DelAbbot]

I think William Lou was pissed that Blake Murphy said he would trade FVV for Jalen Suggs lol.

Lou said he would rather have Cam Thomas than Suggs because the Raptors need scoring. He also thinks FVV scoring more is making this team a better offensive team.

I think I am done taking anything William Lou says seriously. Yikes. Thankfully Blake Murphy also said the 10th offensive rating for the Raptors makes no sense.

William Lou is a little nerd trying too hard to look like a relevant jock

William Lou you are a dirty munchkin

[alienchild]

I think William Lou was pissed that Blake Murphy said he would trade FVV for Jalen Suggs lol.

Lou said he would rather have Cam Thomas than Suggs because the Raptors need scoring. He also thinks FVV scoring more is making this team a better offensive team.

I think I am done taking anything William Lou says seriously. Yikes. Thankfully Blake Murphy also said the 10th offensive rating for the Raptors makes no sense.

William Lou is a little nerd trying too hard to look like a relevant jock

He's perfect for SN.

[Los_29]

I might get flamed but I'm actually with him in wanting Cam Thomas over Suggs.

Suggs has shown nothing and I'm sorry but we will actually need some scoring if Fred is gone. You can't just have a bunch of non-shooters waiting for the next guy to take the next brick.

You also don't need to fix that with bad basketball players who shoot. If Masai wanted players like Cam Thomas he could easily acquire them or pick them up for cheap. Those guys just don't win you games which is why he has a specific archetype he targets.

GTJ is basically what Cam Thomas will top out as and even he's not someone the Raptors were serious about keeping. This team isn't winning games with two guys like GTJ even if someone like Cam Thomas gets that good.

Idk how you can make these definitive claims that "he could easily acquire or pick them up for cheap", based on what exactly?! That you don't like him? I could just as easily say that about a complete bust like Suggs, if not easier. There's a reason, BKN is yet to include Thomas in any trade packages, meanwhile ORL is willing to give up on a top 5 pick just a year after drafting him, think about that, think how BAD you had to have been to be given up on as a pick that high in just a single year, that should really speak volumes of who is worth what.

You also have no basis to claim GT Jr is what Cam will "top out" as when he's already had higher scoring games than Gary ever has and WELL outperformed Gary in college too. If Suggs had the same performances as Cam, people would be scared we messed up and/or he wouldn't even be available lol. I can understand Cam couldn't beat Kyrie out of the starting lineup of a top 4 team in the East vs Suggs who can't beat the likes of no jumper Fultz & attention seeking Cole Anthony on a bottom feeder that would love nothing more than to push him into the starting lineup when they drafted him with every intention to do so yet he let them down so badly.

Trent was more efficient than Cam in college, although on lower volume. Both are similar in that they can't rebound or pass. The difference is there is nothing to suggest that Cam can ever be even an average defensive player. His steal rates are horrid and he's one of the worst defensive players in the league among those that get over 15 minutes a game. At least GTJ does provide a high number of steals and deflections.

Cam would be lucky to reach GTJ's ceiling.

[Dalek]

Holy.... can't believe nothing has happened yet. I hope deals are on the table and the raptors are just playing some hot and cold games waiting to see if teams will give up more assets. But if they do nothing it's a disaster. Idk how they watch the games and think to themselves it's better to keep everyone together.

It is the Toronto management and coaching staff that worry me most. I feel like management is too enamoured by their own players and set unrealistic goals for trades which other teams balk at. The coach doesn't know how to be flexible in his schemes, so you kind of can only target guys who will thrive in it.

I still think the wait is on Phoenix to have Sarver officially out which is tomorrow. Sarver has veto on any trade greater than $10m, and you don't want to risk him rejecting a deal as final salute to their organization. We have a lot of Klutch guys which Sarver refused to deal with for years.

[billy_hoyle]

I think William Lou was pissed that Blake Murphy said he would trade FVV for Jalen Suggs lol.

Lou said he would rather have Cam Thomas than Suggs because the Raptors need scoring. He also thinks FVV scoring more is making this team a better offensive team.

I think I am done taking anything William Lou says seriously. Yikes. Thankfully Blake Murphy also said the 10th offensive rating for the Raptors makes no sense.

William Lou is a little nerd trying too hard to look like a relevant jock

What?

Who cares if he's a nerd? Dude is a talented public speaker. He knows his Raptors Bball. Is very passionate about it. Guy constantly makes fun of his own physical limitations.

Do I agree with everything he says? No, of course not.

I might agree with his points more than yours.

[Los_29]

Holy.... can't believe nothing has happened yet. I hope deals are on the table and the raptors are just playing some hot and cold games waiting to see if teams will give up more assets. But if they do nothing it's a disaster. Idk how they watch the games and think to themselves it's better to keep everyone together.

The deadline is Thursday.

[PhilBlackson]

agreed, somehow a past number 1 pick would be worse than a unknown player that we would draft next year or whatever draft year pick we get back

noone wants Ayton here apparently. our fanbase is fickle. short of a superstar talent, everyone is a scrub.

all draftpicks are all superstars.

The Suns are trying to win now, he theoretically fits their roster perfectly, and they have no other centers. Why have they been trying to get rid of him ever since extension talks started like 2 years ago?

Because they couldn't properly use him as a scapegoat for CP3 & Booker's choking after Luka slapped the tastes out of their cocky mouths?!?!

Then despite Monty be a good coach overall not having the maturity as the elder & man who's job it is to manage these young guys, to reach out to Ayton at any point over the summer to try & mend fences but instead AGAIN use him the EXCUSE why PHX lost the series when Booker is the supposed "MVP candidate" last year that vanished & CP3 "the engine" that blew a gasket. It's easier to blame the non-leaders of the team. Now the team's chemistry is completely off & no one is trying to do anything about it but ship any "issues" away.

That's properly the top one.

[alienchild]

Holy.... can't believe nothing has happened yet. I hope deals are on the table and the raptors are just playing some hot and cold games waiting to see if teams will give up more assets. But if they do nothing it's a disaster. Idk how they watch the games and think to themselves it's better to keep everyone together.

It is the Toronto management and coaching staff that worry me most. I feel like management is too enamoured by their own players and set unrealistic goals for trades which other teams balk at. The coach doesn't know how to be flexible in his schemes, so you kind of can only target guys who will thrive in it.

I still think the wait is on Phoenix to have Sarver officially out which is tomorrow. Sarver has veto on any trade greater than $10m, and you don't want to risk him rejecting a deal as final salute to their organization. We have a lot of Klutch guys which Sarver refused to deal with for years.

Try keeping up.

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[BillNyeBballGuy]

Trade Fred for Suggs and Bamba and call it a day.

[JB7]

Exactly, why help them.

But the question would be with what?!?

Are we hoping to trade Pascal & OG to get him?! How are we filling out the roster to be at a championship level once we get cleaned out of all our best assets?!? I don't see that as a wise plan tbh.

If we're waiting till the summer, the expectation is the Nets are floating face down.

I don't get this. Any team interested in KD, would presumably want him now for a playoff run. Why waste a year?

It is not as if the Nets are going to ask for a lot less in the summer. They will just have longer to play it out. The deadline is forcing a deal on all parties. This sounds like teams trying to lower the Nets asking price at the deadline.

[sidsid]

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Wow this sort of detonates a big option for Toronto if Dallas is serious about Ayton.

That's good news. The one rumoured FVV trade possibility I'd veto so far.

[Boogie!]

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Sounds like they talked to nick nurse about moving fvv and he told them to keep dreaming.

[NotMyKawhi]

If ayton is Tim Jr and Wood value we should go get him

He's very underrated if that's his value

[HumbleRen]

Will Lou and Alex are good people. Is Will Lou a bit of a homer ? Absolutely but he's easily one of the better Raptors media guy in the business.

[sidsid]

But the question would be with what?!?

Are we hoping to trade Pascal & OG to get him?! How are we filling out the roster to be at a championship level once we get cleaned out of all our best assets?!? I don't see that as a wise plan tbh.

If we're waiting till the summer, the expectation is the Nets are floating face down.

I don't get this. Any team interested in KD, would presumably want him now for a playoff run. Why waste a year?

It is not as if the Nets are going to ask for a lot less in the summer. They will just have longer to play it out. The deadline is forcing a deal on all parties. This sounds like teams trying to lower the Nets asking price at the deadline.

The Nets probably just want another run with KD regardless.

As for us, everyone may be forgetting that if we trade some of the starters now and tank, our most coveted asset may shift from Siakam and OG to our potentially very good lotto pick.

That's a pretty big incentive for us to wait and risk wasting a year.

[Dalek]

Holy.... can't believe nothing has happened yet. I hope deals are on the table and the raptors are just playing some hot and cold games waiting to see if teams will give up more assets. But if they do nothing it's a disaster. Idk how they watch the games and think to themselves it's better to keep everyone together.

It is the Toronto management and coaching staff that worry me most. I feel like management is too enamoured by their own players and set unrealistic goals for trades which other teams balk at. The coach doesn't know how to be flexible in his schemes, so you kind of can only target guys who will thrive in it.

I still think the wait is on Phoenix to have Sarver officially out which is tomorrow. Sarver has veto on any trade greater than $10m, and you don't want to risk him rejecting a deal as final salute to their organization. We have a lot of Klutch guys which Sarver refused to deal with for years.

Try keeping up.

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I thought the deal is not done until end of today. That makes things interesting if Ishbia already has control. I did find this quote from him from his press conference:

"I think we’re in a great position right now. Will I be involved? Yes. Are we highly active? Yes. But at the same time, I think we have a championship-contending team without doing anything over the next 2 days.”

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/mat-ishbia-speaks-on-phoenix-suns-activity-at-trade-deadline

This might be the Suns rolling with what they got and only trading Crowder. Huge impacts for Toronto if that is the case.

[tdotrep2]

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Sounds like they talked to nick nurse about moving fvv and he told them to keep dreaming.

"Fred for Jalen Suggs? Some of these rumors are ridiculous"

[PhilBlackson]

If we're waiting till the summer, the expectation is the Nets are floating face down.

I don't get this. Any team interested in KD, would presumably want him now for a playoff run. Why waste a year?

It is not as if the Nets are going to ask for a lot less in the summer. They will just have longer to play it out. The deadline is forcing a deal on all parties. This sounds like teams trying to lower the Nets asking price at the deadline.

The Nets probably just want another run with KD regardless.

As for us, everyone may be forgetting that if we trade some of the starters now and tank, our most coveted asset may shift from Siakam and OG to our potentially very good lotto pick.

That's a pretty big incentive for us to wait and risk wasting a year.

Not really, its a pretty flawed plan to empty out all your best assets for a 35 year old, OFTEN injured KD WITHOUT the proper supporting cast (considering Pascal & OG would be gone) and then very limited ability to add to it.

[alienchild]

It is the Toronto management and coaching staff that worry me most. I feel like management is too enamoured by their own players and set unrealistic goals for trades which other teams balk at. The coach doesn't know how to be flexible in his schemes, so you kind of can only target guys who will thrive in it.

I still think the wait is on Phoenix to have Sarver officially out which is tomorrow. Sarver has veto on any trade greater than $10m, and you don't want to risk him rejecting a deal as final salute to their organization. We have a lot of Klutch guys which Sarver refused to deal with for years.

Try keeping up.

Read on Twitter

I thought the deal is not done until end of today. That makes things interesting if Ishbia already has control. I did find this quote from him from his press conference:

"I think we’re in a great position right now. Will I be involved? Yes. Are we highly active? Yes. But at the same time, I think we have a championship-contending team without doing anything over the next 2 days.”

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/mat-ishbia-speaks-on-phoenix-suns-activity-at-trade-deadline


This might be the Suns rolling with what they got and only trading Crowder. Huge impacts for Toronto if that is the case.

Deal was finalized yesterday.

[mihaic]

Holy.... can't believe nothing has happened yet. I hope deals are on the table and the raptors are just playing some hot and cold games waiting to see if teams will give up more assets. But if they do nothing it's a disaster. Idk how they watch the games and think to themselves it's better to keep everyone together.

It is the Toronto management and coaching staff that worry me most. I feel like management is too enamoured by their own players and set unrealistic goals for trades which other teams balk at. The coach doesn't know how to be flexible in his schemes, so you kind of can only target guys who will thrive in it.

I still think the wait is on Phoenix to have Sarver officially out which is tomorrow. Sarver has veto on any trade greater than $10m, and you don't want to risk him rejecting a deal as final salute to their organization. We have a lot of Klutch guys which Sarver refused to deal with for years.

My take on it is different. It's possible I am the one who is wrong but here it is:
Our management is aware of their players value. They try to extract good value out of the trade. They
would rather wait the offseason and wait for a better option than make a trade.

That being said I hope good offers are there to be taken in which case they probably will and they are simply negotiating and/or trying to piggyback on Irving deal