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Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

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What will happen?

1 of Fred/OG/Trent/Siakam Traded
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2 of Fred/OG/Trent/Siakam Traded
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3 of Fred/OG/Trent/Siakam Traded
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11%
Double Down Trades (Poeltl / Turner / etc)
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5%
Nothing Happens
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23%
 
Total votes: 176

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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1741 » by Sandman88 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:27 am

alienchild wrote:
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Tha Cynic wrote:I think William Lou was pissed that Blake Murphy said he would trade FVV for Jalen Suggs lol.

Lou said he would rather have Cam Thomas than Suggs because the Raptors need scoring. He also thinks FVV scoring more is making this team a better offensive team.

I think I am done taking anything William Lou says seriously. Yikes. Thankfully Blake Murphy also said the 10th offensive rating for the Raptors makes no sense.

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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1742 » by traps#10 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:27 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:Wouldn't surprise me at all if Masai decides to trade our top 6 draft pick in a package for KD (unless we're drafting top 2).


And if Brooklyn still refuses? Run it back lol rip
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1743 » by T-d0t » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:28 am

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PhilBlackson wrote:Watching a SportsCenter clip Woj said that we've been really working on a Fred deal, being THE most credible source that's ever existed lol won't lie I'm pretty shocked. I thought the "I'm Here for Life" memes were gonna become a sad reality.

Interesting if that's the case they want to keep the Siakam/OG/Barnes core.




I admit maybe I'm misinterpreting it but you wouldn't think the Raps would allow things to reach a point where WOJ is talking about a deal around a particular player publicly. That to me is a LOUD thing to do and it's not at all like Woj to gamble his creditibility for anything unfounded.

It's hard to think that it would sit well with Fred come negotiation time that both: we let the details of his contract extension that he turned down leak and now Woj making it public record that he's available. It's one thing when Jake Fisher says it, it's whole other thing entirely when Woj does. I just refuse to let myself get too excited about it lol but there does seem to be some smoke....hopefully no mirrors lol

Would you rather keep him and he walks away for nothing or trade him if his current value is filler+ late first.

Tough decision
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1744 » by Sandman88 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:29 am

Fans need to boo this team at home after the deadline if they stand Pat
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1745 » by Syd-TK3 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:30 am

If KD is Masai's real target tanking this season and adding value from OG/Fred only makes your chances better in the off season with better picks
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1746 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:31 am

Sandman88 wrote:Fans need to boo this team at home after the deadline if they stand Pat


Well management, not the team.

Masai & Bobby will have earned a VC first return like reception when people see them on the jumbotron :lol:
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Post#1747 » by BillNyeBballGuy » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:32 am

I want Suggs for Fred. Orlando sucks at development, so I don't really hold this year against him. He's still the sane player many of us fell in love with pre-draft. He just needs to go to a team like TOR with a proven track record in developing talent
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Post#1748 » by traps#10 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:34 am

Worst case scenario is we stand pat, almost or make it into the play in with an early exit. Not have an optimal draft pick and offering the farm for KD but not succeed and run it back with a more disgruntled roster with the same core.
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Post#1749 » by djsunyc » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:34 am

Jef wrote:
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Rapsfan07 wrote:
Are you connected?


Also just got word, this is going to be CRAZY


Sandman & Oakvillehoops - why you gotta be like this?
You got 6 hours. Something better happen or I will shake my head VERY sternly.


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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1750 » by ImaBeatDatAzz » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:35 am

Zeno wrote:
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I wonder if it'd ever be something like Simmons + 2 picks for FVV + Boucher. Picks help balance us taking on a big contract

Simmons + 2 FRP for FVV, Birch, Otto and Boucher

Simmons, Claxton, Cam plus 3 1sts for FVV, Birch, Otto, Boucher is almost exactly dollar for dollar. I sill probably don’t want to. I might do it but Masai’s hard truths talk would need to really inspire Ben.

im sorry but if nets do that trade, u take it and RUN
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Post#1751 » by TheRaptor! » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:36 am

Cam Thomas show AGAIN
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Post#1752 » by Ackshun » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:37 am

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Asif16 wrote:Windhorst is very plugged into the league. He has great sources.

So if he's saying the Raptors might wait until the off-season to see what KD does, I believe it. Suddenly I dont think the Raptors are gonna do any moves now for their core players at the deadline.

Hoping they still make some trades to get better depth though

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Let's punt this deep draft for a chance at 35 yo KD in the summer with our 0.500 roster


I’m jumping ship. Like a stubborn child, if I don’t get my way, I’m gonna pout all around this bitch .

Masai, Bobby..don’t be ****
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Post#1753 » by Ackshun » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:39 am

T-d0t wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
DG88 wrote:Interesting if that's the case they want to keep the Siakam/OG/Barnes core.




I admit maybe I'm misinterpreting it but you wouldn't think the Raps would allow things to reach a point where WOJ is talking about a deal around a particular player publicly. That to me is a LOUD thing to do and it's not at all like Woj to gamble his creditibility for anything unfounded.

It's hard to think that it would sit well with Fred come negotiation time that both: we let the details of his contract extension that he turned down leak and now Woj making it public record that he's available. It's one thing when Jake Fisher says it, it's whole other thing entirely when Woj does. I just refuse to let myself get too excited about it lol but there does seem to be some smoke....hopefully no mirrors lol

Would you rather keep him and he walks away for nothing or trade him if his current value is filler+ late first.

Tough decision


He’s unrestricted. We can’t afford him in the medium term. He isn’t a starting caliber lead guard.

If we were primed for the ship and Fred was our 5th or 6th option and a whole lot cheaper, then sure.

Whoever pays him is gonna regret that contract. I respect what he’s done to get here but I just don’t wanna watch it anymore
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1754 » by Zeno » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:40 am

ImaBeatDatAzz wrote:
Zeno wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:Simmons + 2 FRP for FVV, Birch, Otto and Boucher

Simmons, Claxton, Cam plus 3 1sts for FVV, Birch, Otto, Boucher is almost exactly dollar for dollar. I sill probably don’t want to. I might do it but Masai’s hard truths talk would need to really inspire Ben.

im sorry but if nets do that trade, u take it and RUN

I think I might take it and run…to the bathroom to puke ….but I might take it.
40 million of nothing for two years after this is harsh though and negatively affects roster moves going forward.
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Post#1755 » by Nebuchadnezzar » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:41 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:If KD is Masai's real target tanking this season and adding value from OG/Fred only makes your chances better in the off season with better picks


And then who would KD have to play with?
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1756 » by Son Goku 25 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:42 am

I personally feel KD will want out before the deadline, who can the nets get back if Suns or Raptors aren't willing to help?

Sean and Bobby likely having a back and forth, maybe even building animosity since raps don't want to help and nets won't just give KD or even Claxton for a lesser deal unless raps overpay. This leads to the summer where the nets might be forced to make a move regardless and might just give KD to anyone else.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1757 » by Jef » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:43 am

djsunyc wrote:
Jef wrote:
Oakvillehoops wrote:
Also just got word, this is going to be CRAZY


Sandman & Oakvillehoops - why you gotta be like this?
You got 6 hours. Something better happen or I will shake my head VERY sternly.


the head shake should be in the mirror for actually believing them.


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Post#1758 » by Brinbe » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:44 am

so convenient for masai that the possible trade partner teams are playing each other this week lol
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1759 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:45 am

Ujiri and Webster were ever-present on the trip, but you’ve got to hand it to them, their poker faces are elite. We’re less than 48 hours from the deadline and rival execs are still wondering how the Raptors will approach it. Are they selling and, if so, to what degree? Will they be looking to add pieces that will help them now, next season or several years down the road? At least for now, it remains anybody’s guess.

That’s not to say they don’t have a plan. They likely have several of them. What’s made Ujiri successful in his role, perhaps above all else, is his ability and willingness to adapt on the fly, be flexible and call an audible when the situation calls for it. The mild-mannered, even-keeled Webster is the perfect complement.

They rarely box themselves into a corner. Even when they choose a path, it’s never definitive. They always leave themselves room to change course, if necessary. They’ve balanced the present and the future without one coming at the expense of the other.

At least to this point, they’ve resisted the urge to go all-in – Ujiri has never parted with multiple first-round picks in a trade – or, on the other end of the spectrum, completely hit the reset button. It’s why the people who want to see them to fully embrace one extreme or the other continue to be disappointed, and may be again this week.


No team has gotten more league-wide attention in the lead up to the deadline than the Raptors. Few players have heard their names come up in the rumour mill more than O.G. Anunoby, Fred VanVleet, Gary Trent Jr. and even Pascal Siakam. There’s always noise out there at this time of year, but given the circumstances around this club, it’s noisier than ever.

“I think it’s so noisy that it almost defeats the purpose,” Nurse said. “There’s so much noise it’s ridiculous and you can’t even pay attention to any of it… It’s so far-fetched that you don’t even have to react to it.”

“I’m at a point in my career where it really doesn’t matter unless I feel like there’s something going on,” said Siakam. “I’ve seen people go. I’ve seen people get here. So, nothing surprises me. I don’t look for anything until my phone actually rings.”

It’s not hard to get caught up in the sheer volume of reports. The rumours, the speculation, the mock trades – it’s a lot, and the Raptors have been at the centre of it for weeks. That’s what happens when you’ve underperformed and the top of your roster is made up of guys that other teams want. But if you’re anticipating the team moving on from three or four of its five best and most important players before 3 p.m. ET this Thursday, best to recalibrate your expectations. Taking their 10-year track record into account, that isn’t how this front office operates.


But even after a decade at the helm, in some ways, this is uncharted territory for Ujiri. For one, this is the most scrutiny he’s faced during his tenure. In a season like this, there’s plenty of blame to go around – players, coaches, management; they all share in it. Still, Ujiri has to take accountability for the failings of a roster that lacks shooting, rim protection and playmaking, among other things. With that comes the pressure to get them back on track.

These aren’t easy decisions that he has to make. What makes them even more difficult is how connected he is to the team and the individuals in play. It’s worth noting that the outbound players and people in almost all of his signature moves were guys he inherited with the job.



Dealing Siakam, VanVleet or Anunoby would almost certainly hit different. All three are home grown – players that Ujiri and his front office drafted or signed straight out of college, developed and watch blossom into stars. How he feels about those guys is no secret; you can see the emotion on his face and hear it in his voice when he speaks of them. It sounds silly given the nature of the business, but he’s likened them to family.

There’s a reason why the asking price for those three is said to be substantial, bordering on unrealistic, and it’s not just because Ujiri is a shrewd negotiator. It’s because he values them more than most would.

This is a big week for the Raptors’ primary decision maker. It may also end up being one of his toughest yet.

https://www.tsn.ca/nba/toronto-raptors-masai-ujiri-find-themselves-at-crossroads-ahead-of-trade-deadline-1.1916294
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#1760 » by Brinbe » Wed Feb 8, 2023 12:48 am

feels like masai hasn't made his mind up yet... but can't evaluate forever. he's running out of runway here.
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