Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[HumbleRen]

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[NoBias]

Also jj Redick averaged 18 points for the sixers as their starting 2. The team that almost eliminated us from the playoffs if it wasn't for the kawhi shot and legitimately was a championship contender.

Everyone knows jj Redick isn't a good defender. There's a place for every type of player as long as there's a semblance of balance and proper roster construction.

JJ is one of the greatest shooters/off ball players ever. Cam needs the ball in his hands to score. I see him in the mold of a Jamal Crawford/Lou Will

Lmao I'm not comparing jj Redick to cam Thomas I said I don't care about him. I'm talking sbout how defense is not always the most important thing. Did you not read anything else in my post

I did. The last 5 pages have been about Cam, and posters arguing his defense.

[alpngso]

Even if Cam Thomas is here he would not play much under Nurse

[PhilBlackson]

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for OG pleeeeease lawd lol

[PhilBlackson]

Even if Cam Thomas is here he would not play much under Nurse

If Fred were the one traded, he wouldn't have much choice.

[mtcan]

Even if Cam Thomas is here he would not play much under Nurse

...and I think Nick Nurse has lost the locker room. I don't see him as head coach long term.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[TheRaptor!]

Suggs and Isaac combining for 5pts on 9 FGAs.

fultz is the dude to get there

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a pg with no 3s? No thanks

Its time to start a new era, Great offence with mid D CLEARS Great offence with mid O

[PhilBlackson]

As an aside please avoid the new Mr Triple Single Simmons like the plague.

[OakleyDokely]

From my standpoint, the 2019 championship team which had no weak defenders and no one you could explicitly target was key in our success. I like that way of team building. Doesn't mean you can't make an exception or two if the player is good enough in other areas.

[Tor_Raps]

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for OG pleeeeease lawd lol

What would a trade have to do with not being in the dunk contest? Does Kyrie withdraw from the allstar game because he's on Dallas now? Lol

[Boogie!]

Also jj Redick averaged 18 points for the sixers as their starting 2. The team that almost eliminated us from the playoffs if it wasn't for the kawhi shot and legitimately was a championship contender.

Everyone knows jj Redick isn't a good defender. There's a place for every type of player as long as there's a semblance of balance and proper roster construction.

It's the propaganda that the Raps FO/Media have leaned into.

Anyone with mediocre defence and great offence = unplayable.

Anyone with mediocre offence and good defence = untradeable

I thought Redick was an underrated defender. Like Curry, he was smart and tried hard.

If you wanted to lock someone down would you put jj Redick on him? Like I said there's a team philosophy involved. It's why the raptors with all thwir length and defensive prowess keep giving up open 3 after open 3.

[Boogie!]

From my standpoint, the 2019 championship team which had no weak defenders and no one you could explicitly target was key in our success. I like that way of team building. Doesn't mean you can't make an exception or two if the player is good enough in other areas.

If we didn't have kawhi to carry us offensively some nights none of that defense would've mattered. We were literally a shot away from possibly losing that series.

[canz55]

Again I'm not sure why every player needs to be evaluated on defense. Not every player has to be some 2 way threat. Like I've already pointed out many times we literally built a team based around supposed elite defenders and our defense still sucks. People are far too obsessed with defense. It's weird that every offensive player has to be discredited by their defense. If the guy is Michael Jordan offensively but a sieve defensively someone will talk about "do not want he doesn't play defense." But it it's someone like fvv his offense can be absolutely abysmal, but someone will find a way to point out how hie defense makes up for it. Defense is not more important than offense. At some point people need to realize it's okay to have some players that are not 2 way specialists. That's why it's a team sport.

I'm pretty sure Steph Curry isn't a defensive savant...but hey lets **** on him as well.

Exactly. I don't even care about cam Thomas. I don't give a **** if they target him or not. I just find the boards obsession with defense to be much especially at the expense of **** offense. At this point in the season with the way the raptors are playing I'd welcome any change.

I'm not sure why people still don't understand that we suck defensively anyway, so idk why people are obsessed with getting only defensive players. Do people really enjoy watching us play? I'd rather just have Young players lighting it up for entertainment value.

I don't think it's as simple as a "defence-first strategy" that they were thinking of; rather, I think it has more to do with emphasizing a running game based on creating more possessions.

We can **** on the whole thing now on the back of an abysmal season where nothing went the Raptor's way as a team, but the strategy behind 6'9 stems from advanced analytics based on models built by mathematicians who work for the team.

[OakleyDokely]

From my standpoint, the 2019 championship team which had no weak defenders and no one you could explicitly target was key in our success. I like that way of team building. Doesn't mean you can't make an exception or two if the player is good enough in other areas.

If we didn't have kawhi to carry us offensively some nights none of that defense would've mattered. We were literally a shot away from possibly losing that series.

Every championship team needs a superstar to win but not every team with a superstar wins a title. You need the right team around that star and the Raps had the right mix.

[TheRaptor!]

JJ is one of the greatest shooters/off ball players ever. Cam needs the ball in his hands to score. I see him in the mold of a Jamal Crawford/Lou Will

Lmao I'm not comparing jj Redick to cam Thomas I said I don't care about him. I'm talking sbout how defense is not always the most important thing. Did you not read anything else in my post

I did. The last 5 pages have been about Cam, and posters arguing his defense.

Its not so much Cam thomas but rather the future direction of the Raptors and defence first players that we value over offence.

[Los_29]

Was really funny reading posts about Cam Thomas earlier and making proclamations about his ceiling when he's barely played regular rotations minutes and is currently proving what he can do when given minutes while only being 21. Obviously the more he plays the more comfortable he will become play making. His defense can also come along hes 6'3 on a strong frame with a 6'7 wing span.

I will admit, I think with lots of practice, Cam can eventually become a bad defender instead of a horrific one.

What does him being 6'3 with a 6'7 wingspan have to do with anything? He's never shown the ability to generate steals on the defensive end. His steal rate in college was well below average and the same has been shown in the NBA. His assist rate was also lower than GTJ's in college. We can't just sit and hope that players magically become good. They actually have to show something for us to be optimistic about them.

[PhilBlackson]

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for OG pleeeeease lawd lol

What would a trade have to do with not being in the dunk contest? Does Kyrie withdraw from the allstar game because he's on Dallas now? Lol

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[mtcan]

From my standpoint, the 2019 championship team which had no weak defenders and no one you could explicitly target was key in our success. I like that way of team building. Doesn't mean you can't make an exception or two if the player is good enough in other areas.

That was lightning in a bottle, the farther and farther away we get from it. Kawhi is a 1/1. He made it all work. But Kawhi ain't walking through the doors of SBA or OVO.

Other teams manage to make it work especially if a player is THAT great a scorer. Steph is definitely NOT a plus defender but the Warriors make it work because he is THAT good.

[SurgeIblocka]

From my standpoint, the 2019 championship team which had no weak defenders and no one you could explicitly target was key in our success. I like that way of team building. Doesn't mean you can't make an exception or two if the player is good enough in other areas.

If we didn't have kawhi to carry us offensively some nights none of that defense would've mattered. We were literally a shot away from possibly losing that series.

Kawhis defence on Giannis and others in that run was just as important.

What have Gilbert Arenas, Beal, and other chuckers ever won in this league