Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[WaltFrazier]

even Cam's fts look so smooth

I cant believe the Net's bench is more entertaining than the Raptors and are going neck to neck with a fully healthy Suns team

Let's get Jacque Vaughn as our next coach

[SurgeIblocka]

From my standpoint, the 2019 championship team which had no weak defenders and no one you could explicitly target was key in our success. I like that way of team building. Doesn't mean you can't make an exception or two if the player is good enough in other areas.

That was lightning in a bottle, the farther and farther away we get from it. Kawhi is a 1/1. He made it all work. But Kawhi ain't walking through the doors of SBA or OVO.

Other teams manage to make it work especially if a player is THAT great a scorer. Steph is definitely NOT a plus defender but the Warriors make it work because he is THAT good.

Curry is not a ball hog he gets his entire team involved

[Boogie!]

From my standpoint, the 2019 championship team which had no weak defenders and no one you could explicitly target was key in our success. I like that way of team building. Doesn't mean you can't make an exception or two if the player is good enough in other areas.

If we didn't have kawhi to carry us offensively some nights none of that defense would've mattered. We were literally a shot away from possibly losing that series.

Every championship team needs a superstar to win but not every team with a superstar wins a title. You need the right team around that star and the Raps had the right mix.

Exactly. I'm not sure what we're arguing right now. I'm not discrediting anything thecraptors did that season. I loved that team. Like I said it was a great collection of players that deserved to win the championship. But you're completely straying from the point.

I'm saying individual defense isntvalways the most important thing. There is a place in the league for elite offense no defensecplayers if put in the right system with the right cast of players around them. Discrediting individuals based on their lack of individual defensive prowess is a problem.

[OakleyDokely]

From my standpoint, the 2019 championship team which had no weak defenders and no one you could explicitly target was key in our success. I like that way of team building. Doesn't mean you can't make an exception or two if the player is good enough in other areas.

That was lightning in a bottle, the farther and farther away we get from it. Kawhi is a 1/1. He made it all work. But Kawhi ain't walking through the doors of SBA or OVO.

Other teams manage to make it work especially if a player is THAT great a scorer. Steph is definitely NOT a plus defender but the Warriors make it work because he is THAT good.

Steph is a once in a generation player and he also isn't a bad defender. He's at worst average.

[MoMan24]

I'm bored so here is another trade. I think this is a good trade for us but don't think the Hawks do it. It's hard to match young players salary with Siakam. Honestly I think I'm robbing the Hawks at gunpoint. Maybe I'm not. Siakam's value is hard to gauge for me. I'm probably still drunk lol

Raptors trade
Pascal Siakam
Chris Boucher

Hawks trade
John Collins (Need the salary, can flip later)
De'Andre Hunter
Onyeka Okongwu
A.J. Griffin
Atl 2023 1st
Sac 2024 1st Top-14 protected. Top-12 in 2025, Top-10 in 2026 before being two seconds.
Atl 2029 1st

[mtcan]

From my standpoint, the 2019 championship team which had no weak defenders and no one you could explicitly target was key in our success. I like that way of team building. Doesn't mean you can't make an exception or two if the player is good enough in other areas.

That was lightning in a bottle, the farther and farther away we get from it. Kawhi is a 1/1. He made it all work. But Kawhi ain't walking through the doors of SBA or OVO.

Other teams manage to make it work especially if a player is THAT great a scorer. Steph is definitely NOT a plus defender but the Warriors make it work because he is THAT good.

Curry is not a ball hog he gets his entire team involved

That's more Draymond than anyone else. Steph's only ever averaged 6ish assists in his career. Draymond's averaged more assists. That's Fred VanVleet-like assist numbers. He's a great shooter and scorer...that's his call to fame.

[Madvillainy2004]

2 shots tonight for 40 million a year Ben lmao dudes broken as a player. Idk if he's even fully over his physical injuries nevermind the mental side.

[OakleyDokely]

If we didn't have kawhi to carry us offensively some nights none of that defense would've mattered. We were literally a shot away from possibly losing that series.

Every championship team needs a superstar to win but not every team with a superstar wins a title. You need the right team around that star and the Raps had the right mix.

Exactly. I'm not sure what we're arguing right now. I'm not discrediting anything thecraptors did that season. I loved that team. Like I said it was a great collection of players that deserved to win the championship. But you're completely straying from the point.

I'm saying individual defense isntvalways the most important thing. There is a place in the league for elite offense no defensecplayers if put in the right system with the right cast of players around them. Discrediting individuals based on their lack of individual defensive prowess is a problem.

If your best players are bad defenders, it's just hard to go far in the playoffs. We saw this first hand with Demar.

[Boogie!]

I'm pretty sure Steph Curry isn't a defensive savant...but hey lets **** on him as well.

Exactly. I don't even care about cam Thomas. I don't give a **** if they target him or not. I just find the boards obsession with defense to be much especially at the expense of **** offense. At this point in the season with the way the raptors are playing I'd welcome any change.

I'm not sure why people still don't understand that we suck defensively anyway, so idk why people are obsessed with getting only defensive players. Do people really enjoy watching us play? I'd rather just have Young players lighting it up for entertainment value.

I don't think it's as simple as a "defence-first strategy" that they were thinking of; rather, I think it has more to do with emphasizing a running game based on creating more possessions.

We can **** on the whole thing now on the back of an abysmal season where nothing went the Raptor's way as a team, but the strategy behind 6'9 stems from advanced analytics based on models built by mathematicians who work for the team.

And that's why analytics don't always tell the whole story and you shouldn't rely solely on math to build a team. This is not nba 2k.

[agkagk]

Wait til the off-season. Trade pascal for Townes .

Resign Fred and Gary