Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread IV (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[tripa]

Ayton's all fun and games until his maxed ass is on the bench in crunch time after being played off the floor in the playoffs.

where did you get this from? DA been good defensively in the playoffs. He was great their finals run and okay last year.

Unless you are talking about Luka scoring on him on switches? DA problem is he plays soft at times and his motor is not constant.

He got benched a few times in last years run.

I'm just not a fan of paying max to a solid, but not great player.

Yet you supported Siakam making the max, and here we are.

[mihaic]

cams meh guys... i mean these types of guys are nice bench players but you dont want the ball in the dudes hands asking him to make decisions all game. clax i like, i think he's a bit overrated and his shooting is terrible but hes a nice player. again both those guys are nothing to write home about tho.

Both players looked better because of Durant and Kyrie in my opinion. Typical role players lighting it up when the D doesn't care about them.

Same is probably true for Dimwit and Finney S. Defences focus on Luka.

[Zeno]

Ben Simmons with a sizzling 2-4-6 stat line. Did anybody arguing for us to trade for and somehow rehabilitate him watch him play this season?

He is a negative asset at this point

-3 unprotected picks is my evaluation

[mtcan]

cams meh guys... i mean these types of guys are nice bench players but you dont want the ball in the dudes hands asking him to make decisions all game. clax i like, i think he's a bit overrated and his shooting is terrible but hes a nice player. again both those guys are nothing to write home about tho.

Both players looked better because of Durant and Kyrie in my opinion.

Same is probably true for Dimwit and Finney S.

Not sure about that...Cam seems to look even better without KD and Kyrie.

[tripa]

if we're going to pay a guy max and we can only have 2 maybe 3 of these contracts on our team, we probably should care.

OG i know won't be played off the floor in any situation.

Just because s coach chooses to play a guy 40 mins doesn't mean he's actually doing anything to help us win. Maybe in the coach's eyes but if it doesn't get results it doesn't matter.

I dontveven mind og. I think he's a great role player. But thats all he is is a role player. Not someone you build around. We have far too many holes on this roster to be concerned if guys are getting played off the floor in crunch time in the playoffs. First we need to find a way to build a team that gets there consistently. If it means rebuilding and acquiring different talented pieces that happen to not play defense so be it. All I know is the curren4 team with its current players isn't doing ****.

Your last paragraph is how I feel about Ayton.

I'd rather have OG at 17M/18M over next couple years.

He has a player option that hes going to decline. You would be making the wrong decision.

[OakleyDokely]

where did you get this from? DA been good defensively in the playoffs. He was great their finals run and okay last year.

Unless you are talking about Luka scoring on him on switches? DA problem is he plays soft at times and his motor is not constant.

He got benched a few times in last years run.

I'm just not a fan of paying max to a solid, but not great player.

Yet you supported Siakam making the max, and here we are.

If Ayton made multiple all nba teams and won a championship as a 2nd option, I'd probably have a different opinion of him.

[OakleyDokely]

Just because s coach chooses to play a guy 40 mins doesn't mean he's actually doing anything to help us win. Maybe in the coach's eyes but if it doesn't get results it doesn't matter.

I dontveven mind og. I think he's a great role player. But thats all he is is a role player. Not someone you build around. We have far too many holes on this roster to be concerned if guys are getting played off the floor in crunch time in the playoffs. First we need to find a way to build a team that gets there consistently. If it means rebuilding and acquiring different talented pieces that happen to not play defense so be it. All I know is the curren4 team with its current players isn't doing ****.

Your last paragraph is how I feel about Ayton.

I'd rather have OG at 17M/18M over next couple years.

He has a player option that hes going to decline. You would be making the wrong decision.

Thanks tips, I'm talking this year and next

[Boogie!]

where did you get this from? DA been good defensively in the playoffs. He was great their finals run and okay last year.

Unless you are talking about Luka scoring on him on switches? DA problem is he plays soft at times and his motor is not constant.

He got benched a few times in last years run.

I'm just not a fan of paying max to a solid, but not great player.

Yet you supported Siakam making the max, and here we are.

Siakam is more talented than ayton and has a better resume. Is siaksm a superstar first option, no but he's the closest thing to one without being one. I think siakam is out of place in his role but he's someone I believe you can build with and is worth keeping. There's really no one else on this roster other than Barnes that I feel that way about.

[EmperorLocky]

Ben Simmons with a sizzling 2-4-6 stat line. Did anybody arguing for us to trade for and somehow rehabilitate him watch him play this season?

Off season highlights will be lit though

[mihaic]

cams meh guys... i mean these types of guys are nice bench players but you dont want the ball in the dudes hands asking him to make decisions all game. clax i like, i think he's a bit overrated and his shooting is terrible but hes a nice player. again both those guys are nothing to write home about tho.

Both players looked better because of Durant and Kyrie in my opinion.

Same is probably true for Dimwit and Finney S.

Not sure about that...Cam seems to look even better without KD and Kyrie.

Even Bargnani got hot for stretches. I'll believe it when it is consistent as first option for a couple months.

[tripa]

He got benched a few times in last years run.

I'm just not a fan of paying max to a solid, but not great player.

Yet you supported Siakam making the max, and here we are.

Siakam is more talented than ayton and has a better resume. Is siaksm a superstar first option, no but he's the closest thing to one without being one. I think siakam is out of place in his role but he's someone I believe you can build with and is worth keeping. There's really no one else on this roster other than Barnes that I feel that way about.

Im not comparing Ayton to Siakam.

We cant get that #1 guy without making trades and/or tanking. Thats what team mediocre doesnt understand.

[James_Raptors]

I don't think we're in the position to even be talking about playoffs right now. Ayton or og it doesn't matter we ain't doing ****.

if we're going to pay a guy max and we can only have 2 maybe 3 of these contracts on our team, we probably should care.

OG i know won't be played off the floor in any situation.

Just because s coach chooses to play a guy 40 mins doesn't mean he's actually doing anything to help us win. Maybe in the coach's eyes but if it doesn't get results it doesn't matter.

I dontveven mind og. I think he's a great role player. But thats all he is is a role player. Not someone you build around. We have far too many holes on this roster to be concerned if guys are getting played off the floor in crunch time in the playoffs. First we need to find a way to build a team that gets there consistently. If it means rebuilding and acquiring different talented pieces that happen to not play defense so be it. All I know is the curren4 team with its current players isn't doing ****.

Whew, thank goodness you "don't mind OG". I'll let him know!

Since his rookie season, OG was thrust into the starting lineup and charged to defend against the toughest offensive players in the league.OG accepted this challenge in his first season, when asked to guard LeBron. If you comprehend that both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively are critical to a team's success, then it's a miniscule leap understanding why
OG is a valuable piece that any team in the league would want and would play in their SL.

This season OG he's garnered some recognition around the league as a possible DPOY candidate.
Sounds like a pretty important "role" that educated basketball people respect for the greatness that it is.

[mtcan]

Both players looked better because of Durant and Kyrie in my opinion.

Same is probably true for Dimwit and Finney S.

Not sure about that...Cam seems to look even better without KD and Kyrie.

Even Bargnani got hot for stretches. I'll believe it when it is consistent as first option for a couple months.

He's had a 10 game stretch when he got the minutes and shots and averaged 20+ ppg over that stretch last season.

This isn't new.

[Zeno]

He got benched a few times in last years run.

I'm just not a fan of paying max to a solid, but not great player.

Yet you supported Siakam making the max, and here we are.

Siakam is more talented than ayton and has a better resume. Is siaksm a superstar first option, no but he's the closest thing to one without being one. I think siakam is out of place in his role but he's someone I believe you can build with and is worth keeping. There's really no one else on this roster other than Barnes that I feel that way about.

People also don't give credit to Pascal for the success he's had in the offensive environment he's been put in. He should be better even if he's miscast.

[Boogie!]

Yet you supported Siakam making the max, and here we are.

Siakam is more talented than ayton and has a better resume. Is siaksm a superstar first option, no but he's the closest thing to one without being one. I think siakam is out of place in his role but he's someone I believe you can build with and is worth keeping. There's really no one else on this roster other than Barnes that I feel that way about.

Im not comparing Aytom to Siakam.

We cant get that #1 guy without making trades and/or tanking. Thats what team mediocre doesnt understand.

I agree, but same comment I have sbout front office Is a lot of people just overvalue certain players. Like they think it's better to hang onto a guy because the grass isn't always greener on the other side. But imo, if a guy doesn't have star potential, and you're currently in the raptors treadmill situation, then you should be aggressively looking to make moves to get younger and more talented. Guys like og and fvv are expendable. Their market value vs what they actually bring to this current team isn't worth it.

[TheRaptor!]

if we're going to pay a guy max and we can only have 2 maybe 3 of these contracts on our team, we probably should care.

OG i know won't be played off the floor in any situation.

Just because s coach chooses to play a guy 40 mins doesn't mean he's actually doing anything to help us win. Maybe in the coach's eyes but if it doesn't get results it doesn't matter.

I dontveven mind og. I think he's a great role player. But thats all he is is a role player. Not someone you build around. We have far too many holes on this roster to be concerned if guys are getting played off the floor in crunch time in the playoffs. First we need to find a way to build a team that gets there consistently. If it means rebuilding and acquiring different talented pieces that happen to not play defense so be it. All I know is the curren4 team with its current players isn't doing ****.

Whew, thank goodness you "don't mind OG". I'll let him know!

Since his rookie season, OG was thrust into the starting lineup and charged to defend against the toughest offensive players in the league.OG accepted this challenge in his first season, when asked to guard LeBron. If you comprehend that both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively are critical to a team's success, then it's a miniscule leap understanding why
OG is a valuable piece that any team in the league would want and would play in their SL.

This season OG he's garnered some recognition around the league as a possible DPOY candidate.
Sounds like a pretty important "role" that educated basketball people respect for the greatness that it is.

Fortunately, you don't need a DPOY to win a championship

You dont need the best defender to have the best team defence.

We'll be more than fine without OG

[dgr81]

Grange

The expectation that Siakam will be traded by Thursday is low-to-non-existent, according to sources. Which isn’t to say that trading the versatile forward would never happen, just that it’s far more likely in the summer when more teams have more draft picks to use – essential commodities when contemplating acquiring a two-time all-NBA player in is prime as Siakam is.

kiss of death?

[mihaic]

Not sure about that...Cam seems to look even better without KD and Kyrie.

Even Bargnani got hot for stretches. I'll believe it when it is consistent as first option for a couple months.

He's had a 10 game stretch when he got the minutes and shots and averaged 20+ ppg over that stretch last season.

This isn't new.

Ok maybe I missed it. I could be wrong. In games I saw him in the near past he didn't look special.

Edit: I looked on the box score in the games against the Raptors. Not good numbers in 10+ minutes. Explains why I thought the above

[Boogie!]

Yet you supported Siakam making the max, and here we are.

Siakam is more talented than ayton and has a better resume. Is siaksm a superstar first option, no but he's the closest thing to one without being one. I think siakam is out of place in his role but he's someone I believe you can build with and is worth keeping. There's really no one else on this roster other than Barnes that I feel that way about.

People also don't give credit to Pascal for the success he's had in the offensive environment he's been put in. He should be better even if he's miscast.

Your post contradicts itself I'm not sure if it's a typo. I'll address it the way it's written and you can correct me after. But in the role he's in, even if he is miscast, he's still doing a pretty **** good job.

[Slim Charless]

He got benched a few times in last years run.

I'm just not a fan of paying max to a solid, but not great player.

Yet you supported Siakam making the max, and here we are.

Siakam is more talented than ayton and has a better resume. Is siaksm a superstar first option, no but he's the closest thing to one without being one. I think siakam is out of place in his role but he's someone I believe you can build with and is worth keeping. There's really no one else on this roster other than Barnes that I feel that way about.

I think an OG trade makes more sense between our 2 teams tbh in regards to Ayton. With Mikal showing off recently offensively, he's gonna focus more on that. Plus I think we'd want OG's defensive ability to be able to handle bigger guys too. Also I imagine that the cost of Siakam is more (both in stuff given to you and the price tag of a new deal when he's due) so it makes more sense to me to try and get OG.

Something like Ayton/2023 FRP for OG/Birch/OPJ/Koloko works cap wise and nets you a starting center along with an XT pick to play with if you think you can really get KD this summer.