Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread IV (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[Tha Cynic]

I don't really watch other teams anymore unless they face the Raptors. I just watched two straight games of Nets scrubs and had fun watching.

It's very apparent FVV/Siakam ball is not fun to watch. I'm okay with just trading FVV for the sake of trading him. Let's try a new offense.

[Zeno]

Siakam is more talented than ayton and has a better resume. Is siaksm a superstar first option, no but he's the closest thing to one without being one. I think siakam is out of place in his role but he's someone I believe you can build with and is worth keeping. There's really no one else on this roster other than Barnes that I feel that way about.

People also don't give credit to Pascal for the success he's had in the offensive environment he's been put in. He should be better even if he's miscast.

Your post contradicts itself I'm not sure if it's a typo. I'll address it the way it's written and you can correct me after. But in the role he's in, even if he is miscast, he's still doing a pretty **** good job.

Guess I wasn't clear, Pascal isn't a real number 1 but he's being asked to be a number one and doing an amazing job considering he has a very limited amount of shooting around him.
But imagine Pascal on the Nuggets in Aaron Gordon's role. Aaron Gordon is doing a fine job but Pascal would be absolutely killer next to Jokic.

[Boogie!]

if we're going to pay a guy max and we can only have 2 maybe 3 of these contracts on our team, we probably should care.

OG i know won't be played off the floor in any situation.

Just because s coach chooses to play a guy 40 mins doesn't mean he's actually doing anything to help us win. Maybe in the coach's eyes but if it doesn't get results it doesn't matter.

I dontveven mind og. I think he's a great role player. But thats all he is is a role player. Not someone you build around. We have far too many holes on this roster to be concerned if guys are getting played off the floor in crunch time in the playoffs. First we need to find a way to build a team that gets there consistently. If it means rebuilding and acquiring different talented pieces that happen to not play defense so be it. All I know is the curren4 team with its current players isn't doing ****.

Whew, thank goodness you "don't mind OG". I'll let him know!

Since his rookie season, OG was thrust into the starting lineup and charged to defend against the toughest offensive players in the league.OG accepted this challenge in his first season, when asked to guard LeBron. If you comprehend that both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively are critical to a team's success, then it's a miniscule leap understanding why
OG is a valuable piece that any team in the league would want and would play in their SL.

This season OG he's garnered some recognition around the league as a possible DPOY candidate.
Sounds like a pretty important "role" that educated basketball people respect for the greatness that it is.

Not sure why people are taking it personal on behalf of players that don't even know they exist.

I never once said og was a bad player or Said he wasn't a dpoy nor was he a valuable role player. I actually agree that he is so I guess thank you for putting me in the peer group of respected bask3tball people.

That being said Bruce bowen was 1st team all nba defense countless times, and was always in the running for dpoy, but if I'm a rebuilding team and someone is asking me for Bruce bowen in a trade and I'm getting talent of equal or more value potentially and it addressees other needs on the team, then I'd be stupid not to make that trade. Players like og are valuable on contenders. If I'm contending this year I'm keeping og. In our current situation he's expendable.

[WetLikeWater]

I don't really watch other teams anymore unless they face the Raptors. I just watched two straight games of Nets scrubs and had fun watching.

It's very apparent FVV/Siakam ball is not fun to watch. I'm okay with just trading FVV for the sake of trading him. Let's try a new offense.

I'm not going to lie the lakers offensive flow is heaven compared to the raptors offence

[MoMan24]

I don't really watch other teams anymore unless they face the Raptors. I just watched two straight games of Nets scrubs and had fun watching.

It's very apparent FVV/Siakam ball is not fun to watch. I'm okay with just trading FVV for the sake of trading him. Let's try a new offense.

At least one of FVV/Siakam got to go. I think everyone agrees on that. I don't care which one. I lied I want Siakam gone more lol

[Boogie!]

People also don't give credit to Pascal for the success he's had in the offensive environment he's been put in. He should be better even if he's miscast.

Your post contradicts itself I'm not sure if it's a typo. I'll address it the way it's written and you can correct me after. But in the role he's in, even if he is miscast, he's still doing a pretty **** good job.

Guess I wasn't clear, Pascal isn't a real number 1 but he's being asked to be a number one and doing an amazing job considering he has a very limited amount of shooting around him.
But imagine Pascal on the Nuggets in Aaron Gordon's role. Aaron Gordon is doing a fine job but Pascal would be absolutely killer next to Jokic.

I agree.

[PhilBlackson]

Not sure about that...Cam seems to look even better without KD and Kyrie.

Even Bargnani got hot for stretches. I'll believe it when it is consistent as first option for a couple months.

He's had a 10 game stretch when he got the minutes and shots and averaged 20+ ppg over that stretch last season.

This isn't new.

Not to mention what an utterly ridiculous take...

1. Tell me which 2nd year player right now you'd be expecting to be the 1st option especially one that's....
2. Playing with Kevin frickin Durant!! this is a team in the top 4-5 of the Conference with one of the greatest players of all time as the clear alpha, what a stupid expectation

I said it earlier but it's the same posters that did this crap with Maxey then he proceeded to give it to Fred & Gary with no vasoline lol and they still make the same senseless comments. If we were missing all of our best players and Scottie stepped up & had three straight 40 pieces, they'd annoint him a better version of Giannis it's just ridiculously biased homerism.

Apparently only we can find good young players later in the draft. Everyone else is a fluke & must be just luck or a hot streak. Unless these casuals have heard the name in the top 10 before, there's no chance someone not named Masai found a good young player but especially not if there were any trade rumours around them and we didn't get them, they must be completely overrated! Meanwhile Christian Koloko is gem waiting to happen, but he doesn't need to prove he's a 1st option, not even a 10th option lol but truuuust me he's sooo good!!! lol it's a joke.

[Boogie!]

I don't really watch other teams anymore unless they face the Raptors. I just watched two straight games of Nets scrubs and had fun watching.

It's very apparent FVV/Siakam ball is not fun to watch. I'm okay with just trading FVV for the sake of trading him. Let's try a new offense.

At least one of FVV/Siakam got to go. I think everyone agrees on that. I don't care which one. I lied I want Siakam gone more lol

That would be a huge mistake. Until the recent stretch siakam was actually doing a great job moving the ball offensively.

[James_Raptors]

Just because s coach chooses to play a guy 40 mins doesn't mean he's actually doing anything to help us win. Maybe in the coach's eyes but if it doesn't get results it doesn't matter.

I dontveven mind og. I think he's a great role player. But thats all he is is a role player. Not someone you build around. We have far too many holes on this roster to be concerned if guys are getting played off the floor in crunch time in the playoffs. First we need to find a way to build a team that gets there consistently. If it means rebuilding and acquiring different talented pieces that happen to not play defense so be it. All I know is the curren4 team with its current players isn't doing ****.

Whew, thank goodness you "don't mind OG". I'll let him know!

Since his rookie season, OG was thrust into the starting lineup and charged to defend against the toughest offensive players in the league.OG accepted this challenge in his first season, when asked to guard LeBron. If you comprehend that both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively are critical to a team's success, then it's a miniscule leap understanding why
OG is a valuable piece that any team in the league would want and would play in their SL.

This season OG he's garnered some recognition around the league as a possible DPOY candidate.
Sounds like a pretty important "role" that educated basketball people respect for the greatness that it is.

Fortunately, you don't need a DPOY to win a championship

You dont need the best defender to have the best team defence.

We'll be more than fine without OG

None of that was up for debate.
We won a championship with OG playing 0 minutes and no DPOY....
Then again, our star player, Kawhi has the 3rd highest active (current) Defensive Rating in the entire NBA and previously won DPOY twice. Ya know what else is cool? Without our elite defense we don't even sniff the finals, or ECF for that matter. Did you not see Gasol make Embiid cry? Speaking of Marc Gasol , one sec let me check this to make sure. Oh yes, here we go "former defensive player of the year".

Dang, it's almost like having DPOY type talent helped us win a championship.
Who would have thought both sides of the court were equally as important?
Were you not there to witness the championship?




What's next, "we don't need a reigning MVP to win a championship, we can play team offense and team defense!"?

[Ackshun]

https://www.tsn.ca/toronto-raptors-masai-ujiri-find-themselves-at-crossroads-ahead-of-trade-deadline-1.1916294?tsn-amp

[ForeverTFC]

I don't really watch other teams anymore unless they face the Raptors. I just watched two straight games of Nets scrubs and had fun watching.

It's very apparent FVV/Siakam ball is not fun to watch. I'm okay with just trading FVV for the sake of trading him. Let's try a new offense.

That's partly because you've watched them without KD and Kyrie. When they played with them on the floor, the majority of the action for the Nets also went through 2 guys.

[CoinTossRoss31]

This thread better be at 100 pages by end of day tomorrow. I'm not f5ing at work for nothing.. hopefully

[T-d0t]

So to summarize today, the only thing that happened was Siakam being called in to an office with Masai after a media scrum.

[PhilBlackson]

https://www.tsn.ca/toronto-raptors-masai-ujiri-find-themselves-at-crossroads-ahead-of-trade-deadline-1.1916294?tsn-amp

Meh...like most Lewenberg stuff, it wasn't worth the read lol

The piece can be summed up in one sentence "Tough decisions ahead on players Masai developed & loves", the end.

[Boogie!]

Whew, thank goodness you "don't mind OG". I'll let him know!

Since his rookie season, OG was thrust into the starting lineup and charged to defend against the toughest offensive players in the league.OG accepted this challenge in his first season, when asked to guard LeBron. If you comprehend that both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively are critical to a team's success, then it's a miniscule leap understanding why
OG is a valuable piece that any team in the league would want and would play in their SL.

This season OG he's garnered some recognition around the league as a possible DPOY candidate.
Sounds like a pretty important "role" that educated basketball people respect for the greatness that it is.

Fortunately, you don't need a DPOY to win a championship

You dont need the best defender to have the best team defence.

We'll be more than fine without OG

None of that was up for debate.
We won a championship with OG playing 0 minutes and no DPOY....
Then again, our star player, Kawhi has the 3rd highest active (current) Defensive Rating in the entire NBA and previously won DPOY twice. Ya know what else is cool? Without our elite defense we don't even sniff the finals, or ECF for that matter. Did you not see Gasol make Embiid cry? Speaking of Marc Gasol , one sec let me check this to make sure. Oh yes, here we go "former defensive player of the year".

Dang, it's almost like having DPOY type talent helped us win a championship.
Who would have thought both sides of the court were equally as important?
Were you not there to witness the championship?




What's next, "we don't need a reigning MVP to win a championship, we can play team offense and team defense!"?

Not sure why you're being so snarky with strawman arguments.

None of what you're arguing has anything to do with the original argument. No one is refuting that you need mvps or elite defense to win championships.

But the post you replied to was absolutely correct. Marcus Smart is a dpoy and the Warriors beat them. If you're argument is that we must hang on to og at all costs because of his dpoy potential, when by the time your team is In a place to actually contend, his dpoy might not dven be relevant, is flawed. Like I said. If you're going for it this year and next year and the framework for your team is already built to contend then you can keep og. As it stands now, we have more glaring holes. He'd be more useful to an actual championship contender and we'd be smarter to rebuild and acquire more talent.

[TheRaptor!]

Whew, thank goodness you "don't mind OG". I'll let him know!

Since his rookie season, OG was thrust into the starting lineup and charged to defend against the toughest offensive players in the league.OG accepted this challenge in his first season, when asked to guard LeBron. If you comprehend that both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively are critical to a team's success, then it's a miniscule leap understanding why
OG is a valuable piece that any team in the league would want and would play in their SL.

This season OG he's garnered some recognition around the league as a possible DPOY candidate.
Sounds like a pretty important "role" that educated basketball people respect for the greatness that it is.

Fortunately, you don't need a DPOY to win a championship

You dont need the best defender to have the best team defence.

We'll be more than fine without OG

None of that was up for debate.
We won a championship with OG playing 0 minutes and no DPOY....
Then again, our star player, Kawhi has the 3rd highest active (current) Defensive Rating in the entire NBA and previously won DPOY twice. Ya know what else is cool? Without our elite defense we don't even sniff the finals, or ECF for that matter. Did you not see Gasol make Embiid cry? Speaking of Marc Gasol , one sec let me check this to make sure. Oh yes, here we go "former defensive player of the year".

Dang, it's almost like having DPOY type talent helped us win a championship.
Who would have thought both sides of the court were equally as important?
Were you not there to witness the championship?




What's next, "we don't need a reigning MVP to win a championship, we can play team offense and team defense!"?

Yes because the 2019 Raptors were the only team to ever win a championship.

Yes because the only way for us to get back there is to replicate the 2019 team

[DelAbbot]

I don't really watch other teams anymore unless they face the Raptors. I just watched two straight games of Nets scrubs and had fun watching.

It's very apparent FVV/Siakam ball is not fun to watch. I'm okay with just trading FVV for the sake of trading him. Let's try a new offense.

At least one of FVV/Siakam got to go. I think everyone agrees on that. I don't care which one. I lied I want Siakam gone more lol

How much return can we realistically expect from a Siakam trade? Did you know Siakam is worse than Aaron Gordon this year? Significantly

[MikeM]

Gimme some long dudes who take 15 steps to change direction and shoot 70% from the FT in year 11. PLEASE MORE.

Whatever you do, do not acquire a player who can dribble AND shoot at the same time.

[James_Raptors]

Just because s coach chooses to play a guy 40 mins doesn't mean he's actually doing anything to help us win. Maybe in the coach's eyes but if it doesn't get results it doesn't matter.

I dontveven mind og. I think he's a great role player. But thats all he is is a role player. Not someone you build around. We have far too many holes on this roster to be concerned if guys are getting played off the floor in crunch time in the playoffs. First we need to find a way to build a team that gets there consistently. If it means rebuilding and acquiring different talented pieces that happen to not play defense so be it. All I know is the curren4 team with its current players isn't doing ****.

Whew, thank goodness you "don't mind OG". I'll let him know!

Since his rookie season, OG was thrust into the starting lineup and charged to defend against the toughest offensive players in the league.OG accepted this challenge in his first season, when asked to guard LeBron. If you comprehend that both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively are critical to a team's success, then it's a miniscule leap understanding why
OG is a valuable piece that any team in the league would want and would play in their SL.

This season OG he's garnered some recognition around the league as a possible DPOY candidate.
Sounds like a pretty important "role" that educated basketball people respect for the greatness that it is.

Not sure why people are taking it personal on behalf of players that don't even know they exist.

I never once said og was a bad player or Said he wasn't a dpoy nor was he a valuable role player. I actually agree that he is so I guess thank you for putting me in the peer group of respected bask3tball people.

That being said Bruce bowen was 1st team all nba defense countless times, and was always in the running for dpoy, but if I'm a rebuilding team and someone is asking me for Bruce bowen in a trade and I'm getting talent of equal or more value potentially and it addressees other needs on the team, then I'd be stupid not to make that trade. Players like og are valuable on contenders. If I'm contending this year I'm keeping og. In our current situation he's expendable.

Bruce Bowen, was an elite defensive 6.1ppg specialist. One of the greatest defenders in the NBA history, that was very rarely asked to shoot basketballs into the peach basket. His highest offensive production (8.1 ppg) was a 5th option in 2005.OG is actually relied on to score and in general has more tools, and versatility to his game.

And that brings me to another point. Believe it or not, the game has changed quite a bit over the last few years (thank you Phoenix, Golden State, etc). Bruce may be elite defensively in today's game, or maybe not (I want to believe he would still be amazing). But his responsibilities would be more difficult. The range you have to cover in the NBA as an elite 3+D wingman is ridiculous. And that's without getting into all the rule changes that favor offenses. OG has and will continue to cover all 5 positions. Big or small, he takes on all challengers.

[wtcantfw]

Where's all the Ayton love? 31 13 against everyone's fan fav Claxton lol

Whenever I watch Ayton, dating back to his days at Arizona, I see a ton of stuff like this:

Read on Twitter

And on the offensive end, he's pretty soft as well. Factor in his contract, I'm just not a fan.

Haven't seen rotations that bad since....Bargnani