GT: Suns @ Nets - Tuesday, Feb 7 ‘22 | 7:30 PM | TNT

[Tha King]

I mean I don't want it to happen. But the way Cam and the team has played in these few games surely has to have Tsai consider trading KD before the deadline.

If we can get 2 good players and a bunch of picks back it means we're not winning any titles, but the next few seasons will still be a watchable product.

One thing I'll say about trading KD - the 2024 pick is going straight to the Rockets vs. this year where there's a swap. So if there is any doubt, getting something done now would be the way to go because in the offseason the team would be in a far weaker spot.

[Papi_swav]

Man we can't keep wasting these 40 pt performances from Cam. We got nothing out of Patty and Joe, one of them must go. Ben Simmons is still trash too. And KD is still 2 weeks away. They swore he wasn't going to take 6 weeks to get back and now look. Glad Din and DFS is coming to help because we need as much help we can get. It's literally all Cam, Sumner and Claxton out there at this point.

[sashaturiaf]

I mean I don't want it to happen. But the way Cam and the team has played in these few games surely has to have Tsai consider trading KD before the deadline.

If we can get 2 good players and a bunch of picks back it means we're not winning any titles, but the next few seasons will still be a watchable product.

One thing I'll say about trading KD - the 2024 pick is going straight to the Rockets vs. this year where there's a swap. So if there is any doubt, getting something done now would be the way to go because in the offseason the team would be in a far weaker spot.

I think we're all at a point where we wouldn't be devastated with a KD trade right now assuming we get a fair return for a player of that caliber.

My biggest qualm about a KD trade is what it means for Ben. With KD playing, Ben is a useful piece in his limited role but if KD goes Ben is barely playable with Clax while taking up a max contract.

[Netaman]

Great effort. Joe is still cooked. Cam showed some of the warts that make it hard to trust him as a key piece ready for the playoffs right now (i know he scored 40+ again). Dru smith has some poise.

lack of size other than clax and second chance points killed them. they need to add a big at the deadline whether it's one of toronto's backup C's in a package with 1 of their forwards, or poetl, or collins, or someone in the olynyk/plumlee group.

biggest takeaway is:
a) they kept it close the whole way
b) 2 or 3 times it looked like it was slipping away and they fought back

if kd does eventually get dealt i still really like the phoenix guys. some combo of bridges/ayton/cam and picks has been a yes from me since the beginning and still is (if KD asks out).

tbf he hasn't played all that much this year and definitely not at this usage on a B2B. That really showed in the second half.

that's fair. the last few games have been insane and i now think it's certainly fair to think he's in the same asset class as maxey. but i've always expected him to profile sort of like a jamal crawford/jordan clarkson and i still think that's his role long term. good microwave scorer (or maybe excellent) but not sure he's one of the best players on a winning team. i'd do the 3 frps + cam/filler for siakam and a backup c.

but if toronto says no id just as happily keep him and make a deal for poetl or someone else more affordable like olynyk.

[Papi_swav]

It's hard to not overreact with Cam right now. You can pick on his decision making or passing but last 2 games he has Kawhi, PG, Bridges, CP3 throwing everything at him. Even seasoned superstars would make mistakes in that situation.

Cam needs to keep bringing it next to Dinwiddie and potentially KD. The good thing is he seems to have good chemistry with Sumner. After the trade deadline, that could be our second unit backcourt. But man, it might be tough to bring him off the bench if he keeps playing like this.

We played 2 contenders at full strength while shorthanded on a back to back. Great fight in both games with a lot of crazy distractions. The team easily could've rolled over.

Yea his legs were dead in that 4th quarter but it's all good, he's putting the team on his back. He's still so young and we need to let him get his mistakes out now but he's going to be a problem in this league. His IQ, passing and defense should all improve with playing time.

[Papi_swav]

I mean I don't want it to happen. But the way Cam and the team has played in these few games surely has to have Tsai consider trading KD before the deadline.

If we can get 2 good players and a bunch of picks back it means we're not winning any titles, but the next few seasons will still be a watchable product.

One thing I'll say about trading KD - the 2024 pick is going straight to the Rockets vs. this year where there's a swap. So if there is any doubt, getting something done now would be the way to go because in the offseason the team would be in a far weaker spot.

I think we're all at a point where we wouldn't be devastated with a KD trade right now assuming we get a fair return for a player of that caliber.

My biggest qualm about a KD trade is what it means for Ben. With KD playing, Ben is a useful piece in his limited role but if KD goes Ben is barely playable with Clax while taking up a max contract.

I think we should wait until the summer to trade KD, the trade market feels kinda rushed right now. If we make KD available now then we only have 2 days to accept a trade and it feels kinda rushed. We can have all summer to negotiate a trade and I imagine he'll still be elite when he comes back soon. But I think the Nets should try to keep KD and try for another star player in the summer.

[Netaman]

the only KD trade that's happening right now is if a team comes in with an offer significantly beyond whatever got put in play last summer.

if phoenix comes in big with all of their picks, bridges, johnson, and ayton, it'd be hard to pass up.

if boston comes in with a bunch of picks, brown, and smart, it'd be hard to pass up.

i doubt either happens though. and i think that's ok. give it 1 more shot and if it doesnt work trade him at the draft.

i presume most of marks energy the next couple days is going to be focused on siakam and the center market. i think the contracts most likely to move are simmons/harris. they just dont have clear roles going forward.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Look I think its safe to say this team isn't contending for a Championship.

We are a 2nd round team at best. Even if we get Siakim I don't think we are beating Boston or Milwaukee.

Nobody wins a title after making a big trade mid season. Not to mention we still have no backup big man and Simmons is unplayable.

I think its high time we just send KD off into the sunset.

It makes far more sense to see what we have with Cam. And play the young guys.

If Phoenix gave us Cam, Bridges, Ayton and 3 first rounders I would just do it. Its clear to me that this new owner is very despearate. Then flip Ayton for another first rounder somewhere.

I would even keep Simmons. And then trade Curry, Mills, etc, to the highest bidder.

Its time for a full rebuild. Enough of this pressure of winning a Championship.

KD isn't durable enough either to be a true Superstar anymore. He constantly gets hurt and misses long stretches of time. Sell before he gets hurt again and his value goes lower.

Front office is to obsessed of chasing this dream of a title thats just never happening. Kyrie ruined it.

[MrDollarBills]

Look I think its safe to say this team isn't contending for a Championship.

We are a 2nd round team at best. Even if we get Siakim I don't think we are beating Boston or Milwaukee.

Nobody wins a title after making a big trade mid season. Not to mention we still have no backup big man and Simmons is unplayable.

I think its high time we just send KD off into the sunset.

It makes far more sense to see what we have with Cam. And play the young guys.

If Phoenix gave us Cam, Bridges, Ayton and 3 first rounders I would just do it. Its clear to me that this new owner is very despearate. Then flip Ayton for another first rounder somewhere.

I would even keep Simmons. And then trade Curry, Mills, etc, to the highest bidder.

Its time for a full rebuild. Enough of this pressure of winning a Championship.

KD isn't durable enough either to be a true Superstar anymore. He constantly gets hurt and misses long stretches of time. Sell before he gets hurt again and his value goes lower.

Front office is to obsessed of chasing this dream of a title thats just never happening. Kyrie ruined it.

Yeah, it's over.

No sense in keeping KD. If Bridges was auditioning for us last night he won the job.

[sashaturiaf]

Look I think its safe to say this team isn't contending for a Championship.

We are a 2nd round team at best. Even if we get Siakim I don't think we are beating Boston or Milwaukee.

Nobody wins a title after making a big trade mid season. Not to mention we still have no backup big man and Simmons is unplayable.

I think its high time we just send KD off into the sunset.

It makes far more sense to see what we have with Cam. And play the young guys.

If Phoenix gave us Cam, Bridges, Ayton and 3 first rounders I would just do it. Its clear to me that this new owner is very despearate. Then flip Ayton for another first rounder somewhere.

I would even keep Simmons. And then trade Curry, Mills, etc, to the highest bidder.

Its time for a full rebuild. Enough of this pressure of winning a Championship.

KD isn't durable enough either to be a true Superstar anymore. He constantly gets hurt and misses long stretches of time. Sell before he gets hurt again and his value goes lower.

Front office is to obsessed of chasing this dream of a title thats just never happening. Kyrie ruined it.

Your Suns package is not bad at all but the front office is just maximising our chances of winning a title while we have a top 10 all time talent in KD still operating at prime level. Opportunities like this don't come by that often, we've got KD locked up for 4 years and the first priority should be to try our hardest to placade him and make him happy, remember the distraction in the room is gone now. And if it doesn't happen then it doesn't happen, there will always be a market for Durant so we will not be left with nothing

This is the way I see our depth chart right now, I'd prefer Cam keep rolling as the starter and Din to run the second unit.

Clax - Sharpe
KD - DFS
Royce - Yuta - Joe
Cam - Seth - Patty
Ben - Dinwiddie - Sumner

Looking at our team we're very guard/finesse heavy, I really don't think a Lavine/Beal or even OG trade does much for us. I'd much rather get someone who can play some reliable minute across the 4/5 like Larry Nance who we can probably get for Seth and 2 seconds. Eubanks from the Blazers is another guy who probably won't cost much and he's a much better backup 5 than anything we can put up at the moment.

[TheNetsFan]

Look I think its safe to say this team isn't contending for a Championship.

We are a 2nd round team at best. Even if we get Siakim I don't think we are beating Boston or Milwaukee.

Nobody wins a title after making a big trade mid season. Not to mention we still have no backup big man and Simmons is unplayable.

I think its high time we just send KD off into the sunset.

It makes far more sense to see what we have with Cam. And play the young guys.

If Phoenix gave us Cam, Bridges, Ayton and 3 first rounders I would just do it. Its clear to me that this new owner is very despearate. Then flip Ayton for another first rounder somewhere.

I would even keep Simmons. And then trade Curry, Mills, etc, to the highest bidder.

Its time for a full rebuild. Enough of this pressure of winning a Championship.

KD isn't durable enough either to be a true Superstar anymore. He constantly gets hurt and misses long stretches of time. Sell before he gets hurt again and his value goes lower.

Front office is to obsessed of chasing this dream of a title thats just never happening. Kyrie ruined it.

Your Suns package is not bad at all but the front office is just maximising our chances of winning a title while we have a top 10 all time talent in KD still operating at prime level. Opportunities like this don't come by that often, we've got KD locked up for 4 years and the first priority should be to try our hardest to placade him and make him happy, remember the distraction in the room is gone now. And if it doesn't happen then it doesn't happen, there will always be a market for Durant so we will not be left with nothing

This is the way I see our depth chart right now, I'd prefer Cam keep rolling as the starter and Din to run the second unit.

Clax - Sharpe
KD - DFS
Royce - Yuta - Joe
Cam - Seth - Patty
Ben - Dinwiddie - Sumner

Looking at our team we're very guard/finesse heavy, I really don't think a Lavine/Beal or even OG trade does much for us. I'd much rather get someone who can play some reliable minute across the 4/5 like Larry Nance who we can probably get for Seth and 2 seconds. Eubanks from the Blazers is another guy who probably won't cost much and he's a much better backup 5 than anything we can put up at the moment.

They can keep Cam if we're getting Bridges, Ayton and picks. You then have to consider flipping Ayton or Claxton for something else (player or picks).

[MrDollarBills]

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[CalamityX12]

Dinwiddie should be the starting Guard for sure.

Loving Cam's scoring output, but bringing it off the bench is more beneficial to the team when Dinwiddie finally laces up.

[MrDollarBills]

Dinwiddie should be the starting Guard for sure.

Loving Cam's scoring output, but bringing it off the bench is more beneficial to the team when Dinwiddie finally laces up.

Ben is the one that needs to come off the bench. he looks physically shot.

[CalamityX12]

Dinwiddie should be the starting Guard for sure.

Loving Cam's scoring output, but bringing it off the bench is more beneficial to the team when Dinwiddie finally laces up.

Ben is the one that needs to come off the bench. he looks physically shot.

lol he's already benched in my head LOL

[Netaman]

Look I think its safe to say this team isn't contending for a Championship.

We are a 2nd round team at best. Even if we get Siakim I don't think we are beating Boston or Milwaukee.

Nobody wins a title after making a big trade mid season. Not to mention we still have no backup big man and Simmons is unplayable.

I think its high time we just send KD off into the sunset.

It makes far more sense to see what we have with Cam. And play the young guys.

If Phoenix gave us Cam, Bridges, Ayton and 3 first rounders I would just do it. Its clear to me that this new owner is very despearate. Then flip Ayton for another first rounder somewhere.

I would even keep Simmons. And then trade Curry, Mills, etc, to the highest bidder.

Its time for a full rebuild. Enough of this pressure of winning a Championship.

KD isn't durable enough either to be a true Superstar anymore. He constantly gets hurt and misses long stretches of time. Sell before he gets hurt again and his value goes lower.

Front office is to obsessed of chasing this dream of a title thats just never happening. Kyrie ruined it.

sorry but this is a big yawn from me. who knows what happens? they had giannis swept if kyrie doesnt sprain his ankle even with harden on 1 leg, and had 2 games won to close him out if kd was 1 shoe size smaller.

lebron's win over GS was unthinkable with all the talent he didn't have around him.

boston lost horford and without him im not sure they win either of those first 2 games against brooklyn last year. how quick we forget that the nets beat themselves in games 1/2 even though kd played like crap.

gs/curry may not even make it so the entire playoff is up for grabs imo. if boston is the juggernaut with high expectations and not the 'everyone's against us' underdog i'd 100% bet the field vs. them being a prohibitive favorite cruising to rings.

[ChuckS]

Your Suns package is not bad at all but the front office is just maximising our chances of winning a title while we have a top 10 all time talent in KD still operating at prime level. Opportunities like this don't come by that often, we've got KD locked up for 4 years and the first priority should be to try our hardest to placade him and make him happy, remember the distraction in the room is gone now. And if it doesn't happen then it doesn't happen, there will always be a market for Durant so we will not be left with nothing

This is the way I see our depth chart right now, I'd prefer Cam keep rolling as the starter and Din to run the second unit.

Clax - Sharpe
KD - DFS
Royce - Yuta - Joe
Cam - Seth - Patty
Ben - Dinwiddie - Sumner

Looking at our team we're very guard/finesse heavy, I really don't think a Lavine/Beal or even OG trade does much for us. I'd much rather get someone who can play some reliable minute across the 4/5 like Larry Nance who we can probably get for Seth and 2 seconds. Eubanks from the Blazers is another guy who probably won't cost much and he's a much better backup 5 than anything we can put up at the moment.

I was happy to see this. It's more in keeping with what I believe is and should be happening. I was surprised by, and disbelieved, your previous post suggesting a consensus for trading Durant. I think a few but prolific posting detractors on a small BB can be misleading.


I do not think that those advocating a re-build are paying attention to what is occurring. Marks is doing that, but around Durant. The trade for Kai solved our back court and wing size (and defense) problems. Dinwiddie is good for at least two thirds of the lost offense, and Cam might even offset the rest. The trade for Edwards led me to believe a center and probably another larger guard might be coming in trade. Because of his Spurs history, my guess was Poeltl and Richardson. But there is so much Raptors speculation, so who knows? I didn't think we could trade Harris until next year, but if he is the outgoing one of our biggest financial problems is solved. If not we have already secured DFS who can replace him in the rotation. I cannot yet give up on someone with Ben's abilities until I am convinced his surgery will not ultimately resolve much of the problem.

In any event, I am confident Marks will get us a center, and that I believe keeps us contenders. I'm tired of guys like Ayton destroying us.

In summary, I think many are panicking based on a few recent games where guys 10 thru 17 on our squad have played in place of starters and rotation players. Of course we looked worse.

[Netaman]

Dinwiddie should be the starting Guard for sure.

Loving Cam's scoring output, but bringing it off the bench is more beneficial to the team when Dinwiddie finally laces up.

Ben is the one that needs to come off the bench. he looks physically shot.

i think my starting 5 would be:

dinwiddie
royce
dfs
kd
clax

with ben, cam, curry as the first 3 off the bench as a 2nd unit. let ben set things up, continue to not shoot, and get the ball to cam and curry for open 3's off that action. yuta is probably in there too as an energy wing who can also hit 3's.

that would be my 9 man rotation with harris benched, and patty/warren/sumner only coming in when others are out. on night's cam doesn't have it maybe warren comes in since he's a steady scorer.

just need to add another big guy to take sharpe's spot when they need size minutes. if you could flip patty or harris with a pick for poetl/olynyk/plumlee that would be a solid move. or obviously going big and getting siakam somehow, which would likely move dfs or royce to the 2nd unit.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Look I think its safe to say this team isn't contending for a Championship.

We are a 2nd round team at best. Even if we get Siakim I don't think we are beating Boston or Milwaukee.

Nobody wins a title after making a big trade mid season. Not to mention we still have no backup big man and Simmons is unplayable.

I think its high time we just send KD off into the sunset.

It makes far more sense to see what we have with Cam. And play the young guys.

If Phoenix gave us Cam, Bridges, Ayton and 3 first rounders I would just do it. Its clear to me that this new owner is very despearate. Then flip Ayton for another first rounder somewhere.

I would even keep Simmons. And then trade Curry, Mills, etc, to the highest bidder.

Its time for a full rebuild. Enough of this pressure of winning a Championship.

KD isn't durable enough either to be a true Superstar anymore. He constantly gets hurt and misses long stretches of time. Sell before he gets hurt again and his value goes lower.

Front office is to obsessed of chasing this dream of a title thats just never happening. Kyrie ruined it.

sorry but this is a big yawn from me. who knows what happens? they had giannis swept if kyrie doesnt sprain his ankle even with harden on 1 leg, and had 2 games won to close him out if kd was 1 shoe size smaller.

lebron's win over GS was unthinkable with all the talent he didn't have around him.

boston lost horford and without him im not sure they win either of those first 2 games against brooklyn last year. how quick we forget that the nets beat themselves in games 1/2 even though kd played like crap.

gs/curry may not even make it so the entire playoff is up for grabs imo. if boston is the juggernaut with high expectations and not the 'everyone's against us' underdog i'd 100% bet the field vs. them being a prohibitive favorite cruising to rings.

Yes but we don't have Kyrie anymore. Thats the point.

I was never in favor of blowing it up when we had Kyrie. But we don't anymore.

LeBron had Kyrie. This team is not good enough. We don't have a 2nd star. Our second best player is Spencer dinwiddie.

We can delude ourselves into trying this again. And give up more assets in the process. Or we can face the inevitable truth and start the rebuilding process.

We can even get a lottery pick this year since Houston is terrible. Cam/Claxton is a solid core to rebuild around. Simmons may be part of it too who knows.

[Netaman]

Look I think its safe to say this team isn't contending for a Championship.

We are a 2nd round team at best. Even if we get Siakim I don't think we are beating Boston or Milwaukee.

Nobody wins a title after making a big trade mid season. Not to mention we still have no backup big man and Simmons is unplayable.

I think its high time we just send KD off into the sunset.

It makes far more sense to see what we have with Cam. And play the young guys.

If Phoenix gave us Cam, Bridges, Ayton and 3 first rounders I would just do it. Its clear to me that this new owner is very despearate. Then flip Ayton for another first rounder somewhere.

I would even keep Simmons. And then trade Curry, Mills, etc, to the highest bidder.

Its time for a full rebuild. Enough of this pressure of winning a Championship.

KD isn't durable enough either to be a true Superstar anymore. He constantly gets hurt and misses long stretches of time. Sell before he gets hurt again and his value goes lower.

Front office is to obsessed of chasing this dream of a title thats just never happening. Kyrie ruined it.

sorry but this is a big yawn from me. who knows what happens? they had giannis swept if kyrie doesnt sprain his ankle even with harden on 1 leg, and had 2 games won to close him out if kd was 1 shoe size smaller.

lebron's win over GS was unthinkable with all the talent he didn't have around him.

boston lost horford and without him im not sure they win either of those first 2 games against brooklyn last year. how quick we forget that the nets beat themselves in games 1/2 even though kd played like crap.

gs/curry may not even make it so the entire playoff is up for grabs imo. if boston is the juggernaut with high expectations and not the 'everyone's against us' underdog i'd 100% bet the field vs. them being a prohibitive favorite cruising to rings.

Yes but we don't have Kyrie anymore. Thats the point.

I was never in favor of blowing it up when we had Kyrie. But we don't anymore.

LeBron had Kyrie. This team is not good enough. We don't have a 2nd star. Our second best player is Spencer dinwiddie.

We can delude ourselves into trying this again. And give up more assets in the process. Or we can face the inevitable truth and start the rebuilding process.

We can even get a lottery pick this year since Houston is terrible. Cam/Claxton is a solid core to rebuild around. Simmons may be part of it too who knows.

spencer was arguably the mavs 2nd best or 3rd best scorer (depending on how you rank brunson, who scored less but facilitated more) and they went to the WCF last year. dfs was their 3rd most valuable player overall and dinwiddie 4th. they had no Nic Claxton. they had a lot less depth (where you see bullock, frank ntkinla and max kleber below the nets have guys like royce, seth, warren).

and if cam's breakout is legit he may be the 2nd scorer they need.
and none of that is counting ben because who knows what he can do.
and there's still a deadline to possibly add at minimum a john collins type.

on nights kyrie went off he had an undeniable impact but he never fit into any sort of offense beyond iso ball and he was a drag on the way vaughn has had them playing defense. it remains to be seen how much net impact there is with him gone and dfs/dinwiddie here. yes lebron won with him, but kd lost with him because he sucked against boston and got hurt against milwaukee.