Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8

[deneem4]

If nothing else, I expect Kyrie to be on his best behavior for the remainder of the season so he can ink a new long term contract.

This reminds me of the Harden-CP3 pairing.

Perhaps, but it also reminds me of the Lebron/Kyrie pairing. And that worked fine.

No

[tleikheen]

Lets see....... Lebron loved playing with Kyrie ,KD loved playing with Kyrie,why should we think Luka wont love playing with Kyrie also ? Its stupid to think Mavs gave up fan fave DFS to rent out Kyrie for 28 games..Do u really think Billionaire Cuban and the Mavs org is that stupid.
Before the kyrie trade i thought the biggest wish was for another big star and preferably another ball handler and then you got the best ballhandler in the world in Kyrie and all you care about is he's black and doesnt conform to how you think he should act.
**** that ,Kyrie gonna throw down 30 when Luka throws down 30 and youre going to forget how much you hate Kyrie . Kyrie aint you and that should be OK. Its about BB and winning and Dallas about ready to do alot more winning.

[LyricalRico]

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[FAH1223]

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[FAH1223]

MAN,

Can you imagine the Wizards having a front office like the Jazz?

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[Frichuela]

MAN,

Can you imagine the Wizards having a front office like the Jazz?

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Agreed. Instead we have Ernie's side kick at the helm...

[gambitx777]

Little things starting to happen. Deadman to spurs and Kessler Edwards to sac!

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MAN,

Can you imagine the Wizards having a front office like the Jazz?

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Agreed. Instead we have Ernie's side kick at the helm...

Right. & he's made one bad trade after another. Is that it?
Ridiculous!

Do you recall the condition this team was in at the end of the 2018-19 season, when -- finally! -- Ernie was fired?
Do you recollect who played for the Wiz that season? Here is the roster that ended the season:

Beal, Satoransky, Bryant, Trevor Ariza, Jeff Green, Jabari Parker, John Wall, Troy Brown, Sam Dekker, Devin Robinson, Dwight Howard, Jordan McRae, Chasson Randle, Ian Mahinmi, Bobby Portis, Wesley Johnson.

That's one too many. But, you get the point.
Who would you want to keep from that list?

Tommy kept only the guys he had to keep (Wall & Mahinmi), the guys he wanted to keep (Beal & Bryant), Brown coming off a perfectly respectable rookie year, & McRae a cheap journeyman. Wall never played for us again. Mahinmi we were stuck with. Beal & Bryant were terrific. Brown got us Gafford a few months later. McRae tho nothing much was more than worth what he earned.

We kept Beal, Wall (who never played for us again), Bryant (b/c we wanted to), Brown (whom we traded for Gaff the following season), Mahinmi (b/c Ernie had guaranteed him), & McRae (a journeyman at minimal cost).

So far so good. Or would you like to look back & pretend that you (or anyone to tell the truth) would have done something (anything) else?

Then Tommy made a series of imaginative no-cost moves to fill out the team: Mathews undrafted; Gary Payton II off the scrap heap; Isaac Bonga, Davis Bertans, Moritz Wagner, IT, & Moe Wagner -- all those guys together cost us nothing. Which is what we had available to acquire players and creatde a roster. We signed Ish as a FA; he was worth what we paid him & more.

Anyone see a problem with any of those moves? Sure beats my idea of retaining Sam Dekker! &, for that matter, nate's sense that maybe we ought to hold on to Jabari Parker.

IOW, Tommy was absolutely brilliant & imaginative.

Then he messed up the draft!
Thing is, though, you liked his draft. Well, didn't you? Didn't you think Rui was a really solid pick?
So... how can you criticize Tommy for it now?

Only one person reacted by saying, "well that was a mistake!"
& it wasn't you. Because it was me; I was the only one who said that.

So don't criticize Tommy for it now.

Then, at the deadline, he turned Troy Brown into Daniel Gafford! Wow! Then he moved the unmovable contract of John Wall. Then he moved Russ for a whole bunch of assets. Then he acquired KP & a R2 pick for guys he absolutely had to get rid of!

IOW, acting like Tommy is somehow incompetent is stupid.
But... he sure is inept at the draft! But, unless you disliked his picks when he made them & said so at the time, well.... Anyone can tell that a window is broken once someone throws a rock through it! How about being right about something when it happens. That's a little harder I'd say.

[AFM]

Whats your point? We’re random fans on a message board. He’s the GM with an overwhelming amount of resources and staff. I will continue to hold him to a higher standard.

[TGW]

I'll call Sheppard incompetent anytime I damn well please. And his record proves it...no one gives a crap about him polishing the corners of a turd. He's had more than enough resources to turn the team around and make them competitve and he hasn't. Anyone who defends Sheppard at this point is stupid, because you literally have nothing to show in four seasons to prove that he's good at his job other than these inconsequential moves that don't move the needle.

[gambitx777]

Any one who calls Sheppard incompetent is clearly just a hater and a is just voicing frustrations about the franchise and not being fair to tommy.

He's done a good job as gm. Ted tells him what he's allowed to do and tommy does what he can. He's done a really good job of that.

Now he and the scouting department have not done a good job in the draft. If you want to point at that and say that's the soul reason why this man and the department should be fired. Fine that's at least a point you can defend.

But to say he's done an incompetent or bad job anywhere else is just a lie. Wanna point to brads extension, there is plenty of evidence that was Ted's call. Wanna point to not trading Kuz, plenty of evidence that's Ted's call. Tommy does the best with what he has. The only area he's been bad to incompetent is drafting, that can be fixed but it does need fixed.

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[montestewart]

PIF right, everybody else wrong. Again. It’s like Hands never left

[TGW]

But to say he's done an incompetent or bad job anywhere else is just a lie. Wanna point to brads extension, there is plenty of evidence that was Ted's call. Wanna point to not trading Kuz, plenty of evidence that's Ted's call. Tommy does the best with what he has. The only area he's been bad to incompetent is drafting, that can be fixed but it does need fixed.

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You have ZERO evidence of any of that. That is just something you and the Sheppard fanboys say to make yourself look right.

And btw, if Sheppard is doing so well, why are their rumors that he's on the hotseat:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-fire-sale-is-looming-and-tommy-sheppards-seat/id1501234915?i=1000595336743

Why are the Wizards one of the team monitoring Bob Myers?

GMs have KPIs. Sheppard's KPIs which probably amounts to wins and butts in seats, has been near the bottom of the league for going on 4 years. You can't point to any KPIs that show that Sheppard is doing a good job. Just the ones you make up in your head.

[Frichuela]

But to say he's done an incompetent or bad job anywhere else is just a lie. Wanna point to brads extension, there is plenty of evidence that was Ted's call. Wanna point to not trading Kuz, plenty of evidence that's Ted's call. Tommy does the best with what he has. The only area he's been bad to incompetent is drafting, that can be fixed but it does need fixed.

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You have ZERO evidence of any of that. That is just something you and the Sheppard fanboys say to make yourself look right.

And btw, if Sheppard is doing so well, why are their rumors that he's on the hotseat:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-fire-sale-is-looming-and-tommy-sheppards-seat/id1501234915?i=1000595336743

Why are the Wizards one of the team monitoring Bob Myers?

GMs have KPIs. Sheppard's KPIs which probably amounts to wins and butts in seats, has been near the bottom of the league for going on 4 years. You can't point to any KPIs that show that Sheppard is doing a good job. Just the ones you make up in your head.

Amen brother. This.

A GM who is bad at drafting is catastrophic for the future of the franchise. Just look at the latest NBA champion and its runner-up:

Golden State- their big 3 (Steph, Klay, Draymond) was drafted by the team.
Boston- their big 2 (Tatum, Brown) were also drafted by the team.

[TGW]

Sorry for derailing the thread...I saw PIF's post and got annoyed. Lets keep the Sheppard talk in the GM thread...my bad mods.

[AFM]

All these threads blend together anyhow. In reality there’s not much to discuss since being a wizards fan is the equivalent to waking up every morning to Groundhog Day. Perpetually mediocre with no light at the end of the tunnel.

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PIF right, everybody else wrong. Again. It’s like Hands never left

Sheeesh... did I ever say anything nasty about you?

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But to say he's done an incompetent or bad job anywhere else is just a lie. Wanna point to brads extension, there is plenty of evidence that was Ted's call. Wanna point to not trading Kuz, plenty of evidence that's Ted's call. Tommy does the best with what he has. The only area he's been bad to incompetent is drafting, that can be fixed but it does need fixed.

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You have ZERO evidence of any of that. That is just something you and the Sheppard fanboys say to make yourself look right.

And btw, if Sheppard is doing so well, why are their rumors that he's on the hotseat:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-fire-sale-is-looming-and-tommy-sheppards-seat/id1501234915?i=1000595336743

Why are the Wizards one of the team monitoring Bob Myers?

GMs have KPIs. Sheppard's KPIs which probably amounts to wins and butts in seats, has been near the bottom of the league for going on 4 years. You can't point to any KPIs that show that Sheppard is doing a good job. Just the ones you make up in your head.

Wait wait wait....
This is my bad.

TGW is correct.
If you go from 34 wins to 34 wins in 4 seasons, you've failed. Period. That is, the team has. & if you're the GM, it's on you. That's the way business works. Sh#t rises.

It's equally true, in fact even truer, that it's on the owner. Again... that's the way business works.

All I meant to point out is that there's really only one overwhelming area of failure -- i.e. the draft.

But, so what? That's like saying 99.9% of a balloon is perfect when a hole in the balloon is bringing it straight down!

So, without a doubt... it's hard to imagine enough of a change for this franchise without a new FO. I.e.... TGW is correct.

I can't help defending Tommy, because I like the trades he's made. All the same....

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...the Wizards one of the team monitoring Bob Myers....

It would be a miracle -- hallelujah!! -- if we were able to hire Bob Myers.

[montestewart]

PIF right, everybody else wrong. Again. It’s like Hands never left

Sheeesh... did I ever say anything nasty about you?

Hahaha, if you consider that itty bitty barb “nasty,” then yes, most definitely, you have said nasty things to just about every single person on this board.

Your contribution to this board is tremendous, but sometimes I wish you could be a little nicer to people you disagree with.