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tripa wrote:bballsparkin wrote:DelAbbot wrote:
How much return can we realistically expect from a Siakam trade? Did you know Siakam is worse than Aaron Gordon this year? Significantly
Hmmm, what am I missing here Del?
Have you checked out his net rating?
tripa wrote:bballsparkin wrote:DelAbbot wrote:
How much return can we realistically expect from a Siakam trade? Did you know Siakam is worse than Aaron Gordon this year? Significantly
Hmmm, what am I missing here Del?
Have you checked out his net rating?
James_Raptors wrote:Boogie! wrote:James_Raptors wrote:
Bruce Bowen, was an elite defensive 6.1ppg specialist. One of the greatest defenders in the NBA history, that was very rarely asked to shoot basketballs into the peach basket. His highest offensive production (8.1 ppg) was a 5th option in 2005.OG is actually relied on to score and in general has more tools, and versatility to his game.
And that brings me to another point. Believe it or not, the game has changed quite a bit over the last few years (thank you Phoenix, Golden State, etc). Bruce may be elite defensively in today's game, or maybe not (I want to believe he would still be amazing). But his responsibilities would be more difficult. The range you have to cover in the NBA as an elite 3+D wingman is ridiculous. And that's without getting into all the rule changes that favor offenses. OG has and will continue to cover all 5 positions. Big or small, he takes on all challengers.
You keep preaching to ogs skillset which I'm well aware of. I already agreed that he's a great defensive role player. Doesn't mean he's worth hanging on to at all costs.
What does "hanging on to at all costs" have to do with anything I just typed, or anything I've ever communicated to you in my life? Nowhere was I "preaching OG's skillset" either. There's no need to just make things up. Furthermore you're not actually addressing facts. You're glossing over them, changing topics and talking in circles. It never seems to have an ending. Is that your intention?
My loyalty is to the front of the jersey, Toronto, the city I was born, over half a century ago. Every single player is tradeable and if I were the GM I would listen and execute that transaction if the offer made the Raptors better. If that meant waving goodbye to OG the second after I clicked submit on this post, I'd be over to OG's helping him pack his bags.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
Asif16 wrote:I think its gonna be the clippers for Fred. They have a lot of solid role players that can shore up the raptors depth.
Mann, Kennard, Coffee + picks
tripa wrote:James_Raptors wrote:Boogie! wrote:
Not sure why people are taking it personal on behalf of players that don't even know they exist.
I never once said og was a bad player or Said he wasn't a dpoy nor was he a valuable role player. I actually agree that he is so I guess thank you for putting me in the peer group of respected bask3tball people.
That being said Bruce bowen was 1st team all nba defense countless times, and was always in the running for dpoy, but if I'm a rebuilding team and someone is asking me for Bruce bowen in a trade and I'm getting talent of equal or more value potentially and it addressees other needs on the team, then I'd be stupid not to make that trade. Players like og are valuable on contenders. If I'm contending this year I'm keeping og. In our current situation he's expendable.
Bruce Bowen, was an elite defensive 6.1ppg specialist. One of the greatest defenders in the NBA history, that was very rarely asked to shoot basketballs into the peach basket. His highest offensive production (8.1 ppg) was a 5th option in 2005.OG is actually relied on to score and in general has more tools, and versatility to his game.
And that brings me to another point. Believe it or not, the game has changed quite a bit over the last few years (thank you Phoenix, Golden State, etc). Bruce may be elite defensively in today's game, or maybe not (I want to believe he would still be amazing). But his responsibilities would be more difficult. The range you have to cover in the NBA as an elite 3+D wingman is ridiculous. And that's without getting into all the rule changes that favor offenses. OG has and will continue to cover all 5 positions. Big or small, he takes on all challengers.
Its clear you didnt even bother to read Boogie’s post fully and just saw “Bruce Bowen” and started looking up random stats as fast as you could.
Are you related to someone else on this board?
dgr81 wrote:The Raptors remain the team to watch ahead of Thursday’s trade deadline, sources tell Jake Fischer of Yahoo Sports. Pascal Siakam doesn’t appear likely to be moved, although numerous teams have expressed interest, but sources point to OG Anunoby, Fred VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr. as more realistic trade candidates.
Fischer cites the Pelicans, Grizzlies, Knicks, Pacers, Trail Blazers, Lakers, Suns and Nets as teams that have recently been linked to Anunoby, although he states that there is “varying interest” around the league. Fischer’s sources confirm that Toronto is placing a premium price on the 24-year-old wing, which other front offices are calling “quite steep.”
Fischer also raises the possibility that offers for Anunoby will be lessened because of the chance that Kevin Durant might be available this summer in the wake of the Kyrie Irving trade. Although Durant hasn’t indicated to the Nets that he plans to issue another trade request, league insiders tell Fischer that several teams are planning to stockpile their resources in case it happens.
Fischer passes along a few more rumors heading into the deadline:
Multiple executives from other teams see VanVleet as the most likely Raptor to be moved this week. Fischer notes that the Clippers and Suns have been linked to VanVleet in trade rumors, and hears that the Lakers, Magic and Timberwolves have expressed interest as well.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/02/fischers-latest-anunoby-vanvleet-clippers-hornets-mcgee-bogdanovic.html
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
tripa wrote:bballsparkin wrote:DelAbbot wrote:
How much return can we realistically expect from a Siakam trade? Did you know Siakam is worse than Aaron Gordon this year? Significantly
Hmmm, what am I missing here Del?
Have you checked out his net rating?
Asif16 wrote:I think its gonna be the clippers for Fred. They have a lot of solid role players that can shore up the raptors depth.
Mann, Kennard, Coffee + picks
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
Boogie! wrote:James_Raptors wrote:Boogie! wrote:
You keep preaching to ogs skillset which I'm well aware of. I already agreed that he's a great defensive role player. Doesn't mean he's worth hanging on to at all costs.
What does "hanging on to at all costs" have to do with anything I just typed, or anything I've ever communicated to you in my life? Nowhere was I "preaching OG's skillset" either. There's no need to just make things up. Furthermore you're not actually addressing facts. You're glossing over them, changing topics and talking in circles. It never seems to have an ending. Is that your intention?
My loyalty is to the front of the jersey, Toronto, the city I was born, over half a century ago. Every single player is tradeable and if I were the GM I would listen and execute that transaction if the offer made the Raptors better. If that meant waving goodbye to OG the second after I clicked submit on this post, I'd be over to OG's helping him pack his bags.
The irony is that you're the only one doing the things you're saying in this post. I made a post saying og was worth getting rid of for equal or better talent and you started spewing all of ogs defensive accolades. Forgive me if my interpretation was that you didn't think og was worth being traded because the only reason it made sense to reply with the information you did implied that you disagreed with the notion of him being traded. Otherwise no one would go so far as to prove the value of a player.
As an example I've already said I don't think siakam should be traded for specific reasons. This is my stance. So when people start suggesting to trade him, I reply by saying I wouldn't and the reasons I wouldn't because of certain things he provides. I'm not gonna go out of my way to respond to that suggestion if I shared that opinion. Except thats exactly what you did with me.
douggood wrote:tripa wrote:bballsparkin wrote:
Hmmm, what am I missing here Del?
Have you checked out his net rating?
gordon has a higher net rating than jokic, so does that mean gordon > jokic?
anotherhomer wrote:Asif16 wrote:I think its gonna be the clippers for Fred. They have a lot of solid role players that can shore up the raptors depth.
Mann, Kennard, Coffee + picks
They won't trade Mann for fvv
They need him to guard fast guards
They need someone to pressure the rim, fvv can't do that
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
anotherhomer wrote:Asif16 wrote:I think its gonna be the clippers for Fred. They have a lot of solid role players that can shore up the raptors depth.
Mann, Kennard, Coffee + picks
They won't trade Mann for fvv
They need him to guard fast guards
They need someone to pressure the rim, fvv can't do that
DelAbbot wrote:douggood wrote:tripa wrote:
Have you checked out his net rating?
gordon has a higher net rating than jokic, so does that mean gordon > jokic?
No. Aaron Gordon does not have a higher net rating than Jokic
Aaron Gordon does have a higher net rating than Pascal Siakam
James_Raptors wrote:tripa wrote:James_Raptors wrote:
Bruce Bowen, was an elite defensive 6.1ppg specialist. One of the greatest defenders in the NBA history, that was very rarely asked to shoot basketballs into the peach basket. His highest offensive production (8.1 ppg) was a 5th option in 2005.OG is actually relied on to score and in general has more tools, and versatility to his game.
And that brings me to another point. Believe it or not, the game has changed quite a bit over the last few years (thank you Phoenix, Golden State, etc). Bruce may be elite defensively in today's game, or maybe not (I want to believe he would still be amazing). But his responsibilities would be more difficult. The range you have to cover in the NBA as an elite 3+D wingman is ridiculous. And that's without getting into all the rule changes that favor offenses. OG has and will continue to cover all 5 positions. Big or small, he takes on all challengers.
Its clear you didnt even bother to read Boogie’s post fully and just saw “Bruce Bowen” and started looking up random stats as fast as you could.
Are you related to someone else on this board?
I read the post fully. It was not that difficult.
You're reading words right now.
Are you having troubles doing so?
Hopefully not, and if so, I suggest consulting a physician.
Cool make-believe narrative though.
Did you use one of those random story generators or just think of it all by your lonesome?
Most of your reply doesn't even pertain to the topic of basketball. But you knew that before clicking the button. *giggle*
As far as stats go.
Welp, I've been following sports pretty avidly for 50 or so odd years. I fell in love with the idea of advanced metrics long before it was a discussion. I'm a numbers guy (and no, they aren't even close to the main determining factor of talent). But the nice thing about technology is that there are so many new levels to separate players skillsets and identify and strengths and weaknesses. I'm pretty specific with this stuff, or at least try to. I'm in my 4th decade with my wife and let me tell ya, my specificity can drive her nuts at times. But i digress...
Where were we? Ahh yes, it was me typing "I'm too old for the ad hominem garbage. It will never work on me. Have fun burning calories"
douggood wrote:DelAbbot wrote:douggood wrote:gordon has a higher net rating than jokic, so does that mean gordon > jokic?
No. Aaron Gordon does not have a higher net rating than Jokic
Aaron Gordon does have a higher net rating than Pascal Siakam
nba.com does
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?SeasonSegment=Pre%20All-Star&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING
tripa wrote:James_Raptors wrote:tripa wrote:
Its clear you didnt even bother to read Boogie’s post fully and just saw “Bruce Bowen” and started looking up random stats as fast as you could.
Are you related to someone else on this board?
I read the post fully. It was not that difficult.
You're reading words right now.
Are you having troubles doing so?
Hopefully not, and if so, I suggest consulting a physician.
Cool make-believe narrative though.
Did you use one of those random story generators or just think of it all by your lonesome?
Most of your reply doesn't even pertain to the topic of basketball. But you knew that before clicking the button. *giggle*
As far as stats go.
Welp, I've been following sports pretty avidly for 50 or so odd years. I fell in love with the idea of advanced metrics long before it was a discussion. I'm a numbers guy (and no, they aren't even close to the main determining factor of talent). But the nice thing about technology is that there are so many new levels to separate players skillsets and identify and strengths and weaknesses. I'm pretty specific with this stuff, or at least try to. I'm in my 4th decade with my wife and let me tell ya, my specificity can drive her nuts at times. But i digress...
Where were we? Ahh yes, it was me typing "I'm too old for the ad hominem garbage. It will never work on me. Have fun burning calories"
You think physicians help people with reading?
DelAbbot wrote:douggood wrote:DelAbbot wrote:
No. Aaron Gordon does not have a higher net rating than Jokic
Aaron Gordon does have a higher net rating than Pascal Siakam
nba.com does
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?SeasonSegment=Pre%20All-Star&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING
here is another advanced stats site. Aaron Gordon significantly > Pascal Siakam
Los_29 wrote:anotherhomer wrote:Asif16 wrote:I think its gonna be the clippers for Fred. They have a lot of solid role players that can shore up the raptors depth.
Mann, Kennard, Coffee + picks
They won't trade Mann for fvv
They need him to guard fast guards
They need someone to pressure the rim, fvv can't do that
You missing the green font here? Lol.