PG: Randle clutch again

[stuporman]

Knicks may be able to win the close games against the bottom of the league but they have lost more late game deciding contests against the better teams.

Keeping the mid...

We beat the Celtics
We beat the Cavs
We beat the Heat
We beat the Sixers
We had the Clippers Beat

All that without Mitch...we are doing ok versus good teams lately.

Yea, they got a few lately with even a nice comeback against the 76ers but they still coughing up leads late after an early trend of it and still fumbling end of game execution.

They are still mid with 1st round exit dreams.

[nyk2017]

Happy for my man IQ. Guy has turned around his offense.

His defense is so much improved from his rookie year. He is definitely picking it up on offense and he doesn't need to take 30 shots per game to scope 20 points like some people on the team. I am looking at you RJ

[RHODEY]

Knicks may be able to win the close games against the bottom of the league but they have lost more late game deciding contests against the better teams.

Keeping the mid...

We beat the Celtics
We beat the Cavs
We beat the Heat
We beat the Sixers
We had the Clippers Beat

All that without Mitch...we are doing ok versus good teams lately.

Yea, they got a few lately with even a nice comeback against the 76ers but they still coughing up leads late after an early trend of it and still fumbling end of game execution.

They are still mid with 1st round exit dreams.

4 playoff and contending teams is more than "a few" . We are 4 games over 500 while missing our defensive anchor for 3-4 weeks . If we tweek the bench and are fully healthy we could actually make a run at the 4th seed. Not bad at all compared to last season. Or did you expect more?

[HarthorneWingo]

Clutch play from the Mid Three. Good play by Julius to ice it. Son of Rick Brunson is awesome.

Good to see Fultz crush it.

His outside shot/3-pointer/FTs still look weird but when he's shooting a midrange off the dribble or driving to the hoop, he's real tough. Also, didn't see him doing much playmaking for others. But still, vast improvement.

[HarthorneWingo]

We got another episode of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. Drives me crazy.

[stuporman]

We beat the Celtics
We beat the Cavs
We beat the Heat
We beat the Sixers
We had the Clippers Beat

All that without Mitch...we are doing ok versus good teams lately.

Yea, they got a few lately with even a nice comeback against the 76ers but they still coughing up leads late after an early trend of it and still fumbling end of game execution.

They are still mid with 1st round exit dreams.

4 playoff and contending teams is more than "a few" . We are 4 games over 500 while missing our defensive anchor for 3-4 weeks . If we tweek the bench and are fully healthy we could actually make a run at the 4th seed. Not bad at all compared to last season. Or did you expect more?

There are another 4 they blew late in the past few weeks, too, so don't let a stretch of happy bounces fool you, they had an 8 game winning streak, as well. Sure, better than last season but as I said, dreams of first round exit, maybe second round appearance if everything go perfectly right for this group. Yet can fall to play in level with equal possibility or even out altogether if all goes wrong.

Don't buy the hype too much, now, this is the Knicks after all.

[RHODEY]

Yea, they got a few lately with even a nice comeback against the 76ers but they still coughing up leads late after an early trend of it and still fumbling end of game execution.

They are still mid with 1st round exit dreams.

4 playoff and contending teams is more than "a few" . We are 4 games over 500 while missing our defensive anchor for 3-4 weeks . If we tweek the bench and are fully healthy we could actually make a run at the 4th seed. Not bad at all compared to last season. Or did you expect more?

There are another 4 they blew late in the past few weeks, too, so don't let a stretch of happy bounces fool you, they had an 8 game winning streak, as well. Sure, better than last season but as I said, dreams of first round exit, maybe second round appearance if everything go perfectly right for this group. Yet can fall to play in level with equal possibility or even out altogether if all goes wrong.

Don't buy the hype too much, now, this is the Knicks after all.

But you didn't answer the question. What did you expect? An instant 2nd round playoff team?
What exactly?

[bearadonisdna]

We beat the Celtics
We beat the Cavs
We beat the Heat
We beat the Sixers
We had the Clippers Beat

All that without Mitch...we are doing ok versus good teams lately.

Yea, they got a few lately with even a nice comeback against the 76ers but they still coughing up leads late after an early trend of it and still fumbling end of game execution.

They are still mid with 1st round exit dreams.

4 playoff and contending teams is more than "a few" . We are 4 games over 500 while missing our defensive anchor for 3-4 weeks . If we tweek the bench and are fully healthy we could actually make a run at the 4th seed. Not bad at all compared to last season. Or did you expect more?

Rhodey you are right .
The team has beaten the best teams in the conference in this recent stretch and he saying they only beat bad teams.

Ok yes the team is still mid. Whatever . But he trying revisionist history

[stuporman]

4 playoff and contending teams is more than "a few" . We are 4 games over 500 while missing our defensive anchor for 3-4 weeks . If we tweek the bench and are fully healthy we could actually make a run at the 4th seed. Not bad at all compared to last season. Or did you expect more?

There are another 4 they blew late in the past few weeks, too, so don't let a stretch of happy bounces fool you, they had an 8 game winning streak, as well. Sure, better than last season but as I said, dreams of first round exit, maybe second round appearance if everything go perfectly right for this group. Yet can fall to play in level with equal possibility or even out altogether if all goes wrong.

Don't buy the hype too much, now, this is the Knicks after all.

But you didn't answer the question. What did you expect? An instant 2nd round playoff team?
What exactly?

It doesn't matter what or if I had any expectations, that doesn't change what they are.

[HarthorneWingo]

Yea, they got a few lately with even a nice comeback against the 76ers but they still coughing up leads late after an early trend of it and still fumbling end of game execution.

They are still mid with 1st round exit dreams.

4 playoff and contending teams is more than "a few" . We are 4 games over 500 while missing our defensive anchor for 3-4 weeks . If we tweek the bench and are fully healthy we could actually make a run at the 4th seed. Not bad at all compared to last season. Or did you expect more?

There are another 4 they blew late in the past few weeks, too, so don't let a stretch of happy bounces fool you, they had an 8 game winning streak, as well. Sure, better than last season but as I said, dreams of first round exit, maybe second round appearance if everything go perfectly right for this group. Yet can fall to play in level with equal possibility or even out altogether if all goes wrong.

Don't buy the hype too much, now, this is the Knicks after all.

I haven't done an analysis of the last 20 games or whatever but we do seem to be improving in the "closing out games" department. Certainly, much better than the Luka game in Dallas and a bunch of other in and around that time period. I think we saw less Julius, and more Brunson, handling the ball in crunch time now. That's a big positive.

[knicks94]

Imagine if Randle had Starks, Oakley and Mason as his teammates!

[HarthorneWingo]

Sims stepped up tonight.

And fck Mo Wagner.

[stuporman]

4 playoff and contending teams is more than "a few" . We are 4 games over 500 while missing our defensive anchor for 3-4 weeks . If we tweek the bench and are fully healthy we could actually make a run at the 4th seed. Not bad at all compared to last season. Or did you expect more?

There are another 4 they blew late in the past few weeks, too, so don't let a stretch of happy bounces fool you, they had an 8 game winning streak, as well. Sure, better than last season but as I said, dreams of first round exit, maybe second round appearance if everything go perfectly right for this group. Yet can fall to play in level with equal possibility or even out altogether if all goes wrong.

Don't buy the hype too much, now, this is the Knicks after all.

I haven't done an analysis of the last 20 games or whatever but we do seem to be improving in the "closing out games" department. Certainly, much better than the Luka game in Dallas and a bunch of other in and around that time period. I think we saw less Julius, and more Brunson, handling the ball in crunch time now. That's a big positive.

Fair enough. They have improved from the epic collapse habit of the early season, but even in their recent successes there have been some still troubling patterns happening, though they prevailed more often lately.

They still need to tighten up their end of game execution if they hope to reach the ceiling of their potential this season.

[stuporman]

Imagine if Randle had Starks, Oakley and Mason as his teammates!

You mean imagine them slapping him around during time outs for not playing defense?

[RHODEY]

There are another 4 they blew late in the past few weeks, too, so don't let a stretch of happy bounces fool you, they had an 8 game winning streak, as well. Sure, better than last season but as I said, dreams of first round exit, maybe second round appearance if everything go perfectly right for this group. Yet can fall to play in level with equal possibility or even out altogether if all goes wrong.

Don't buy the hype too much, now, this is the Knicks after all.

But you didn't answer the question. What did you expect? An instant 2nd round playoff team?
What exactly?

It doesn't matter what or if I had any expectations, that doesn't change what they are.

You seem to (deliberately) not want to set a measuring baseline, maybe because then you would have to defend it. You are arguing in bad faith....trollish behavior.

[RHODEY]

There are another 4 they blew late in the past few weeks, too, so don't let a stretch of happy bounces fool you, they had an 8 game winning streak, as well. Sure, better than last season but as I said, dreams of first round exit, maybe second round appearance if everything go perfectly right for this group. Yet can fall to play in level with equal possibility or even out altogether if all goes wrong.

Don't buy the hype too much, now, this is the Knicks after all.

I haven't done an analysis of the last 20 games or whatever but we do seem to be improving in the "closing out games" department. Certainly, much better than the Luka game in Dallas and a bunch of other in and around that time period. I think we saw less Julius, and more Brunson, handling the ball in crunch time now. That's a big positive.

Fair enough. They have improved from the epic collapse habit of the early season, but even in their recent successes there have been some still troubling patterns happening, though they prevailed more often lately.

They still need to tighten up their end of game execution if they hope to reach the ceiling of their potential this season.

Do you mean ceiling that you refuse to define?

[stuporman]

But you didn't answer the question. What did you expect? An instant 2nd round playoff team?
What exactly?

It doesn't matter what or if I had any expectations, that doesn't change what they are.

You seem to (deliberately) not want to set a measuring baseline, maybe because then you would have to defend it. You are arguing in bad faith....trollish behavior.

The fact that you think any baseline can ever be set in ever changing circumstances and that I need to defend it is arguing in bad faith and trollish behavior.

[stuporman]

I haven't done an analysis of the last 20 games or whatever but we do seem to be improving in the "closing out games" department. Certainly, much better than the Luka game in Dallas and a bunch of other in and around that time period. I think we saw less Julius, and more Brunson, handling the ball in crunch time now. That's a big positive.

Fair enough. They have improved from the epic collapse habit of the early season, but even in their recent successes there have been some still troubling patterns happening, though they prevailed more often lately.

They still need to tighten up their end of game execution if they hope to reach the ceiling of their potential this season.

Do you mean ceiling that you refuse to define?

Did you not read my replies or are you still trolling?

[The Vo Show]

Just finished watching the game. A few thoughts:

- RJ needs to focus on defense and assists if his shot is off. This mamba mentality is costing us games and his own TS%. He also needs to work on his jumper this offseason. I keep hearing about his trainer tweaking his form and I think he needs to fire that guy already. This is year 4 and he's still fixing his form? Let him have whatever natural form he wants instead of tweaking it every 3 months.

- This was a terribly officiated game. The refs were letting them play and then randomly calling fouls for the Magic only until the 4th when the game suddenly gets called tight and in the Knicks favor.

- Great game by Randle. He plays so much better against 4s that don't just want to shoot 3s all day.

- Fultz gave Brunson a lot of problems. He was really aggressive and it did seem to slow Brunson down.

- Grimes a little hesitant to shoot tonight. Needs to know when to pull up instead of just going right at the rim. His first step is quick; please call Allan Houston for some lessons on 1 dribble pullups.

[HarthorneWingo]

I haven't done an analysis of the last 20 games or whatever but we do seem to be improving in the "closing out games" department. Certainly, much better than the Luka game in Dallas and a bunch of other in and around that time period. I think we saw less Julius, and more Brunson, handling the ball in crunch time now. That's a big positive.

Fair enough. They have improved from the epic collapse habit of the early season, but even in their recent successes there have been some still troubling patterns happening, though they prevailed more often lately.

They still need to tighten up their end of game execution if they hope to reach the ceiling of their potential this season.

Do you mean ceiling that you refuse to define?

I think we can be a 4 seed if we continue to improve our 4th quarter execution. But RJ needs to improve his level of play particularly on the defensive end.

I wish we could get Doug McDermott back.