Pascal is on the brink of SUPERSTARDOM...

[alevirfe]

man Siakam would look good on so many teams. Siakam is a legit #2 on most teams. was thinking about if he played for the Warriors how dangerous they would be

it's rare for a player playing this well to be available. there's probably bigger names, but rarely are they in their true prime like Siakam is right now

I would hate to let him go, and still want to rebuild around him & Scottie, but if a team pays what he's worth it would be a haul

[LBJKB24MJ23]

NBA assist leaders (non guards)

1. Jokic: 9.4
2. Siakam: 6.8
3. Green: 6.7
4. Sabonis: 6.7
5. Lebron 6.6
6. Durant: 5.4
7. Giannis: 5.2
8. Demar: 5.0
9. Zion: 4.7
10. Scottie B: 4.7

Would be even higher if we didn't have one of the worst shooting teams in the league.

Both him and Scottie it seems

[DelAbbot]

Are we sure Siakam is worth a Gobert haul? He is actually worse than Aaron Gordon this year

[will]

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[duppyy]

This thread aged like milk.

[pingpongrac]

Are we sure Siakam is worth a Gobert haul? He is actually worse than Aaron Gordon this year

Gordon is having a very good year, but come on lol. Siakam does a heck of a lot more for his team and is gameplanned for every game while Gordon plays off of Jokic (as well as Murray and MPJ) and gets spoonfed most of his points as the 4th option on arguably the best team in the league so far this season. Just for a bit of context, Gordon takes 53% of his shots within 3 feet (including 129 dunks) and 21% more are open threes whereas Siakam takes 20% of his shots within 3 feet (a whopping 13 dunks) and 20% more are open threes. Gordon also has 66% of his buckets assisted on compared to 37% for Siakam. Not to mention Siakam takes more than 3 times as many shots in isolation and more than 4 times as many off-the-dribble shots.

This might be your worst take yet. It's like saying Mason Plumlee is comparable to Jokic on the offensive end because he has a higher FG% (67% vs 63%) and a similar AST/TO ratio (2.4 vs 2.8). Maybe that's the move we should be making...

[DelAbbot]

Are we sure Siakam is worth a Gobert haul? He is actually worse than Aaron Gordon this year

Gordon is having a very good year, but come on lol. Siakam does a heck of a lot more for his team and is gameplanned for every game while Gordon plays off of Jokic (as well as Murray and MPJ) and gets spoonfed most of his points as the 4th option on arguably the best team in the league so far this season. Just for a bit of context, Gordon takes 53% of his shots within 3 feet (including 129 dunks) and 21% more are open threes whereas Siakam takes 20% of his shots within 3 feet (a whopping 13 dunks) and 20% more are open threes. Gordon also has 66% of his buckets assisted on compared to 37% for Siakam. Not to mention Siakam takes more than 3 times as many shots in isolation and more than 4 times as many off-the-dribble shots.

This might be your worst take yet. It's like saying Mason Plumlee is comparable to Jokic on the offensive end because he has a higher FG% (67% vs 63%) and a similar AST/TO ratio (2.4 vs 2.8). Maybe that's the move we should be making...

advanced stats say Aaron Gordon > Siakam (considering both offense and defense together) so far this season and significantly so

538



EPM

[pingpongrac]

Are we sure Siakam is worth a Gobert haul? He is actually worse than Aaron Gordon this year

Gordon is having a very good year, but come on lol. Siakam does a heck of a lot more for his team and is gameplanned for every game while Gordon plays off of Jokic (as well as Murray and MPJ) and gets spoonfed most of his points as the 4th option on arguably the best team in the league so far this season. Just for a bit of context, Gordon takes 53% of his shots within 3 feet (including 129 dunks) and 21% more are open threes whereas Siakam takes 20% of his shots within 3 feet (a whopping 13 dunks) and 20% more are open threes. Gordon also has 66% of his buckets assisted on compared to 37% for Siakam. Not to mention Siakam takes more than 3 times as many shots in isolation and more than 4 times as many off-the-dribble shots.

This might be your worst take yet. It's like saying Mason Plumlee is comparable to Jokic on the offensive end because he has a higher FG% (67% vs 63%) and a similar AST/TO ratio (2.4 vs 2.8). Maybe that's the move we should be making...

advanced stats say Aaron Gordon > Siakam (considering both offense and defense together) so far this season and significantly so

538



EPM

Does that mean you admit that even in a down year FVV has been better than Brunson? 3.3 RAPTOR vs 2.6 RAPTOR and 3.0 EPM vs 1.1 EPM

Or do advanced metrics (comparing apples to oranges might I add whereas at least FVV and Brunson play the same position and roles) only count when you want to spin things in a way to crap on our own players?

[DelAbbot]

Gordon is having a very good year, but come on lol. Siakam does a heck of a lot more for his team and is gameplanned for every game while Gordon plays off of Jokic (as well as Murray and MPJ) and gets spoonfed most of his points as the 4th option on arguably the best team in the league so far this season. Just for a bit of context, Gordon takes 53% of his shots within 3 feet (including 129 dunks) and 21% more are open threes whereas Siakam takes 20% of his shots within 3 feet (a whopping 13 dunks) and 20% more are open threes. Gordon also has 66% of his buckets assisted on compared to 37% for Siakam. Not to mention Siakam takes more than 3 times as many shots in isolation and more than 4 times as many off-the-dribble shots.

This might be your worst take yet. It's like saying Mason Plumlee is comparable to Jokic on the offensive end because he has a higher FG% (67% vs 63%) and a similar AST/TO ratio (2.4 vs 2.8). Maybe that's the move we should be making...

advanced stats say Aaron Gordon > Siakam (considering both offense and defense together) so far this season and significantly so

538



EPM

Does that mean you admit that even in a down year FVV has been better than Brunson? 3.3 RAPTOR vs 2.6 RAPTOR and 3.0 EPM vs 1.1 EPM

Or do advanced metrics (comparing apples to oranges might I add whereas at least FVV and Brunson play the same position and roles) only count when you want to spin things in a way to crap on our own players?

Why does every thread have to be about Fred? Uugghhhh. Can't wait til Thurs 3pm.

[pingpongrac]

advanced stats say Aaron Gordon > Siakam (considering both offense and defense together) so far this season and significantly so

538



EPM

Does that mean you admit that even in a down year FVV has been better than Brunson? 3.3 RAPTOR vs 2.6 RAPTOR and 3.0 EPM vs 1.1 EPM

Or do advanced metrics (comparing apples to oranges might I add whereas at least FVV and Brunson play the same position and roles) only count when you want to spin things in a way to crap on our own players?

Why does every thread have to be about Fred? Uugghhhh. Can't wait til Thurs 3pm.

Me too. I almost hope he stays so you and your posse are all devastated then go back to your discord circle jerk whining about everything.

[DelAbbot]

Sure but my point about Aaron Gordon > Pascal Siakam so far stands. Please stay on topic and not derail.

[bballsparkin]

Sure but my point about Aaron Gordon > Pascal Siakam so far stands. Please stay on topic and not derail.

Strange slant to be taking. I don't get it. Sure AG is having a very good year. He seems to be playing very well on an incredibly good team with Mr. Jokic himself. He didn't do much when he was on bad teams. You're stats in my mind do not prove jack ****.

[Pooh_Jeter]

Gordon has maximized his talent by doing less and being the ultimate team player. He isnt trying to be the guy, instead he is making all the winning plays (running the lane, cutting off ball, playmaking and being an awesome defender).

Siakam has gone the opposite route, from a 2 way monster to an empty stats pseudo star who is leading his team to the lottery.

[bballsparkin]

Gordon has maximized his talent by doing less and being the ultimate team player. He isnt trying to be the guy, instead he is making all the winning plays (running the lane, cutting off ball, playmaking and being an awesome defender).

Siakam has gone the opposite route, from a 2 way monster to an empty stats pseudo star who is leading his team to the lottery.

He is playing with an all-time player in Joker. And appears to be doing very admirably. Could Pascal do as well in place of Gordon's shoes with the same amount time to get used to playing with his new team? Impossible to know. Would Gordon not try more to be the guy in our ugly offence with no Pascal? Absent Jokic? I'm thinking it would not be pretty.

I agree Siakam has shown some selfish tendencies at times. He's a very good number two trying to be the man imho.

We shall see how Gordon plays in the playoffs when it matters. I hope he lives up to the confidence some of you have in him as I'd love to see Jokic win a championship.

[TRik]

Does that mean you admit that even in a down year FVV has been better than Brunson? 3.3 RAPTOR vs 2.6 RAPTOR and 3.0 EPM vs 1.1 EPM

Or do advanced metrics (comparing apples to oranges might I add whereas at least FVV and Brunson play the same position and roles) only count when you want to spin things in a way to crap on our own players?

Why does every thread have to be about Fred? Uugghhhh. Can't wait til Thurs 3pm.

Me too. I almost hope he stays so you and your posse are all devastated then go back to your discord circle jerk whining about everything.

Hahahahah. Somebody is a bit sore.

[TRik]

Gordon has maximized his talent by doing less and being the ultimate team player. He isnt trying to be the guy, instead he is making all the winning plays (running the lane, cutting off ball, playmaking and being an awesome defender).

Siakam has gone the opposite route, from a 2 way monster to an empty stats pseudo star who is leading his team to the lottery.

Why does this feel correct. Hmmmmm. Oh yeah…our record…..and their record.

[Volcano]

Sure but my point about Aaron Gordon > Pascal Siakam so far stands. Please stay on topic and not derail.

Trade Siakam straight up for Gordon then. Nuggets will definitely do that trade.

Since Gordon > Siakam, it'll make the Raptors better. We should even throw in a pick to even it out. Siakam + protected 1st for Aaron Gordon.

I'm sure Siakam's advanced stats will stay the same alongside Jokic, you know, the dude averaging a triple double and having a historic season.

[Def Leppard]

Sure but my point about Aaron Gordon > Pascal Siakam so far stands. Please stay on topic and not derail.

Trade Siakam straight up for Gordon then. Nuggets will definitely do that trade.

Since Gordon > Siakam, it'll make the Raptors better. We should even throw in a pick to even it out. Siakam + protected 1st for Aaron Gordon.

I'm sure Siakam's advanced stats will stay the same alongside Jokic, you know, the dude averaging a triple double and having a historic season.

Hey late to the party, who's this clown saying Gordan is better then Pascal? I've never heard of him so clearly he's one of the lesser known clowns

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[duppyy]

Does that mean you admit that even in a down year FVV has been better than Brunson? 3.3 RAPTOR vs 2.6 RAPTOR and 3.0 EPM vs 1.1 EPM

Or do advanced metrics (comparing apples to oranges might I add whereas at least FVV and Brunson play the same position and roles) only count when you want to spin things in a way to crap on our own players?

Why does every thread have to be about Fred? Uugghhhh. Can't wait til Thurs 3pm.

Me too. I almost hope he stays so you and your posse are all devastated then go back to your discord circle jerk whining about everything.

Seems like you're always looking for some kind of conflict. The OP who opened this thread originally was saying something nice about Pascal (a little too nice) and you add this to the end of your post on the first page:

On a semi-related note, didn't OP state that Siakam doesn't have it in him to be a #1 option after a bad G3 against the Sixers just a few months ago then made a thread about how we should move on from him as well as FVV?
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Funny how the OP ended up being correct and you were totally wrong. Siakam never was or is a #1 option and never will be. Him and FVV do need to be traded, the experiment to force them to be 1&2 failed, now they want to be paid like #1 options.

[Duffman100]

Does that mean you admit that even in a down year FVV has been better than Brunson? 3.3 RAPTOR vs 2.6 RAPTOR and 3.0 EPM vs 1.1 EPM

Or do advanced metrics (comparing apples to oranges might I add whereas at least FVV and Brunson play the same position and roles) only count when you want to spin things in a way to crap on our own players?

Why does every thread have to be about Fred? Uugghhhh. Can't wait til Thurs 3pm.

Me too. I almost hope he stays so you and your posse are all devastated then go back to your discord circle jerk whining about everything.

Both of you stop baiting each other.