Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread IV (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[Yuri Vaultin]

Minnesota’s reported interest in FVV coupled with rumour of Miami considering a Lowry/DeAngelo swap… then today the dump Dedmond and can now fit DeAngelo’s extra salary under the luxury tax.

Raps trade Fred, Boucher
Raps receive: Kyle, Jovic, Minott, Heat ‘23 1st

Heat trade: Kyle, Martin, Jovic, 1st ‘23
Heat get: Russell, Prince, Naz Reed

Wolves Trade: Russell, Prince, Reed, Minott
Wolves receive: Fred, Boucher, Martin

why would we take Kyle back?

A last hurrah and to nake salaries match.

I actually REALLY like this deal (because of the implications it would have for a dynasty fantasy bball team I have).

[WaltFrazier]

You think physicians help people with reading?

If it's an eyesight issue I would suggest an appointment with a primary healthcare provider, who then refers you to an Optometrist. That being said, I took my mother in law into see one right off the street without an appointment last summer, which was groovy.
You seem to be reading the text on your screen though, so it's a safe assumption that you can see. Thank goodness.

Did you just say groovy?

Slow down, you move too fast

[Dalek]

A smaller deal I can get behind is Gary Trent Jr. for Bones Hyland and Kentavious Caldwell Pope.

Nuggets get a perfect player for their title hopes because Trent Jr. can defend but is also a creative scorer.

Toronto gets out of having to pay Trent Jr. in the offseason.

Bones is an exciting combo guard that I think can run a second unit and be a perfect 6 man and maybe even start in time. Extremely flashy player that has star upside.

KCP is a vet who defends and makes threes at a good clip. Really nice depth piece.

[DreamTeam09]

A smaller deal I can get behind is Gary Trent Jr. for Bones Hyland and Kentavious Caldwell Pope.

Nuggets get a perfect player for their title hopes because Trent Jr. can defend but is also a creative scorer.

Toronto gets out of having to pay Trent Jr. in the offseason.

Bones is an exciting combo guard that I think can run a second unit and be a perfect 6 man and maybe even start in time. Extremely flashy player that has star upside.

KCP is a vet who defends and makes threes at a good clip. Really nice depth piece.

They probably like KCP better tbh. He's been perfect for em

[TGM]

Honestly we need to consolidate assets as to add more these 7-8th guys on your roster. If I had to group we look something like this.

Tier 1 - we have zero (go to scorer alpha)

Tier 2 - Pascal ( second option)

Tier 3 - OG, Fred, Scottie ( glue guy and 3rd option)

Tier 4 - Trent, Precious ( fourth option)

Tier 5 - Thad, Boucher ( bench energy player 7-8th option)

Tier 6 - Banton, Koloko, Flynn. ( back-up guys when you have injuries or blow out minutes)

When we won a chip we had

Tier 1 - Kawhi

Tier 2 - Lowry and up coming pascal

Tier 3 - Gasol, Ibaka, Fred

Tier 4 - Norm

Tier 5 - OG

This is a very pyramid setup so it’s pretty simple to see why we aren’t winning.

[Zeno]

Minnesota’s reported interest in FVV coupled with rumour of Miami considering a Lowry/DeAngelo swap… then today the dump Dedmond and can now fit DeAngelo’s extra salary under the luxury tax.

Raps trade Fred, Boucher
Raps receive: Kyle, Jovic, Minott, Heat ‘23 1st

Heat trade: Kyle, Martin, Jovic, 1st ‘23
Heat get: Russell, Prince, Naz Reed

Wolves Trade: Russell, Prince, Reed, Minott
Wolves receive: Fred, Boucher, Martin

why would we take Kyle back?

A last hurrah and to nake salaries match.

I actually REALLY like this deal (because of the implications it would have for a dynasty fantasy bball team I have).

My thinking with getting back Kyle was that he would probably be happy to hang in Florida Goran style while we tank. He can play a few games for the memories maybe. Next offseason, him and Thad would make up the majority of the expiring salary for big trade if one presented itself.

[Sandman88]

If I was Masai/Webster I would look to run it back next year with OG, Siakam, Barnes, and GTJ.

Really feel like they weren't surrounded by the correct supporting cast this season, but using the current draft pick, Fred, and future draft pick(s) they could materially improve the core/depth.

Barf

[kirkwood]

OG
Boucher
Birch

For

Beal
Protected 1st rounder

New starting five

Achiuwa
Siakam
Barnes
Beal
Vanfleet

6th man - Trent Jr

[Harold_and_Kumar]

Honestly we need to consolidate assets as to add more these 7-8th guys on your roster. If I had to group we look something like this.

Tier 1 - we have zero (go to scorer alpha)

Tier 2 - Pascal ( second option)

Tier 3 - OG, Fred, Scottie ( glue guy and 3rd option)

Tier 4 - Trent, Precious ( fourth option)

Tier 5 - Thad, Boucher ( bench energy player 7-8th option)

Tier 6 - Banton, Koloko, Flynn. ( back-up guys when you have injuries or blow out minutes)

When we won a chip we had

Tier 1 - Kawhi

Tier 2 - Lowry and up coming pascal

Tier 3 - Gasol, Ibaka, Fred

Tier 4 - Norm

Tier 5 - OG

This is a very pyramid setup so it’s pretty simple to see why we aren’t winning.

Basically, doing nothing would be a bet that Scottie becomes a tier 1 player within the timeframe where Fred and Pascal don't regress. And even then, that would give us maybe two years before we have to figure out what to do with them and how to transition to being a younger team, potentially wasting some of Scottie's prime years.

In the last three years, two seasons have resulted in us being in the lottery, with a near first round sweep in the sandwich. Why are we seemingly so attached to players on teams that have shown us nothing yet, despite most of the team being in their prime. It feels like Kawhi ruined Masai - he's chasing that dragon or model of success because he's seen it work before.

If you watch other teams, you realize how awful our product is. Even the bad ones (think Indiana) are fun, dynamic, work for one another and many have several young players to be excited about, while also competing for playoff spots. Instead we are losing with Scottie, sulky vets, and ball hogs.

I love watching winning teams - of course who doesn't - but I also enjoy watching bad teams with a lot of upside who make mistakes but play hard and for one another. I've missed watching more games this year than maybe any other since I started following the team over 20 years ago.

So I ask, what the **** are we doing here? I'll be patient until the draft, but after that, if all we've done is draft our pick and traded Gary and Fred, I'll be really disappointed.

[Brinbe]

Yes, it's difficult to win-now and develop for the future at the same time and there's a reason why it's hardly ever done successfully. Look at the Warriors and Lakers as other teams currently going through the same struggles (though there's obviously other differing factors at play there too)

You're trying to thread a needle so impossibly small and the risk is that it turns out like it does now. You're not properly supporting your vets, not really developing the future and alienating everyone in the processs.

If the FO were serious about a Pascal/Fred core, they did a piss-poor job of building around them and failed to fill key holes or provide meaningful depth. These guys legit bust their ass these past few years and are getting the sht-end of the stick now. I could see why they'd be a bit annoyed at everything when they've been keeping the team above water but been thrown under the bus.

They're in the primes of their career, why would they want to be tanking? It's not fair to them. The FO should've gone in for a real big last year (no Thad doesn''t count) and tried much harder to get some scoring help for that bench so we weren't so relient on Fred/Pascal to do it all.

I guess the idea is that they're focusing on bringing along the likes of Precious and Scottie in winning environments surrounded by good vets and all that jazz. But it clearly isn't working too well

[Pointgod]

A smaller deal I can get behind is Gary Trent Jr. for Bones Hyland and Kentavious Caldwell Pope.

Nuggets get a perfect player for their title hopes because Trent Jr. can defend but is also a creative scorer.

Toronto gets out of having to pay Trent Jr. in the offseason.

Bones is an exciting combo guard that I think can run a second unit and be a perfect 6 man and maybe even start in time. Extremely flashy player that has star upside.

KCP is a vet who defends and makes threes at a good clip. Really nice depth piece.

Nuggets aren’t trading KCP. He’s integral to their defence and shooting. I like the idea of getting Hyland and they’re actively shopping him. We could do a smaller deal to get bones for a could second round picks and Flynn going back the other way.

[WaltFrazier]

Honestly we need to consolidate assets as to add more these 7-8th guys on your roster. If I had to group we look something like this.

Tier 1 - we have zero (go to scorer alpha)

Tier 2 - Pascal ( second option)

Tier 3 - OG, Fred, Scottie ( glue guy and 3rd option)

Tier 4 - Trent, Precious ( fourth option)

Tier 5 - Thad, Boucher ( bench energy player 7-8th option)

Tier 6 - Banton, Koloko, Flynn. ( back-up guys when you have injuries or blow out minutes)

When we won a chip we had

Tier 1 - Kawhi

Tier 2 - Lowry and up coming pascal

Tier 3 - Gasol, Ibaka, Fred

Tier 4 - Norm

Tier 5 - OG

This is a very pyramid setup so it’s pretty simple to see why we aren’t winning.

On a side note can we change pecking order to pyramid as the operative phrase around here?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Yes, it's difficult to win-now and develop for the future at the same time and there's a reason why it's hardly ever done successfully. Look at the Warriors and Lakers as other teams currently going through the same struggles (though there's obviously other differing factors at play there too)

The defending champion Golden State Warriors? They just didn't draft as well with their lottery picks. One pick back selection gives them LaMelo, Franz Wagner, Korey Kispert and they're at the top of the West for another half decade.

You're trying to thread a needle so impossibly small and the risk is that it turns out like it does now. You're not properly supporting your vets, not really developing the future and alienating everyone in the processs.

If the FO were serious about a Pascal/Fred core, they did a piss-poor job of building around them and failed to fill key holes or provide meaningful depth. These guys legit bust their ass these past few years and are getting the sht-end of the stick now. I could see why they'd be a bit annoyed at everything when they've been keeping the team above water but been thrown under the bus.

This was no different than how they built up with Lowry and DeMar. It took years for the draft to really support these guys. People act like John Salmons wasn't a super washed scrub by the time he played for us, same with Chuck Hayes. Amir was always good. Same with Boucher. 2Pat was good, but out of the rotation in Sacramento. Vasquez was pretty much out of the league by the time we traded him. Depth is more just players sticking to their roles and excelling, and the Raptors veered off that program.

They're in the primes of their career, why would they want to be tanking? It's not fair to them. The FO should've gone in for a real big last year (no Thad doesn''t count) and tried much harder to get some scoring help for that bench so we weren't so relient on Fred/Pascal to do it all.

I guess the idea is that they're focusing on bringing along the likes of Precious and Scottie in winning environments surrounded by good vets and all that jazz. But it clearly isn't working too well

We're still a ways from a post-mortem, but it's starting to look like Masai really ****'d up not moving OG last summer. Could have had a rotation piece plus a lotto pick. He was unhappy, and he remains unhappy and now that's out there. The chemistry was off this year and everyone can wear that, but they had a great opportunity to clean some of it up by selling super high. Masai's ego got in the way, and now he's yelling at Scottie, about to dump Fred for spare parts, and might have to trade Siakam. Huge mess he has to clean up now.

[WaltFrazier]

Yes, it's difficult to win-now and develop for the future at the same time and there's a reason why it's hardly ever done successfully. Look at the Warriors and Lakers as other teams currently going through the same struggles (though there's obviously other differing factors at play there too)

You're trying to thread a needle so impossibly small and the risk is that it turns out like it does now. You're not properly supporting your vets, not really developing the future and alienating everyone in the processs.

If the FO were serious about a Pascal/Fred core, they did a piss-poor job of building around them and failed to fill key holes or provide meaningful depth. These guys legit bust their ass these past few years and are getting the sht-end of the stick now. I could see why they'd be a bit annoyed at everything when they've been keeping the team above water but been thrown under the bus.

They're in the primes of their career, why would they want to be tanking? It's not fair to them. The FO should've gone in for a real big last year (no Thad doesn''t count) and tried much harder to get some scoring help for that bench so we weren't so relient on Fred/Pascal to do it all.

I guess the idea is that they're focusing on bringing along the likes of Precious and Scottie in winning environments surrounded by good vets and all that jazz. But it clearly isn't working too well

That's what bothers me as an OG fan, that now he may be sacrificed because of the terrible job of roster building around the core.

[Gavin_TDThree]

what happened to the "it's happening today" person

[T-d0t]

what happened to the "it's happening today" person

Banned?

[Gavin_TDThree]

what happened to the "it's happening today" person

Banned?

Ideally. This week already kills my productivity at work, can't be adding fake cliff hangers on top of that

[Sandman88]

Latest true hoop pod says the raps may wait until off-season to see if KD is available again.

This team hangs onto these pipe dreams that don’t materialize. Giannis, SGA, now KD

[Godaddycurse]

Latest true hoop pod says the raps may wait until off-season to see if KD is available again.

This team hangs onto these pipe dreams that don’t materialize. Giannis, SGA, now KD

Hopefully smoke screen to improve our leverage with other teams and convince them to pony up

[bboyskinnylegs]

Latest true hoop pod says the raps may wait until off-season to see if KD is available again.

This team hangs onto these pipe dreams that don’t materialize. Giannis, SGA, now KD

Hopefully smoke screen to improve our leverage with other teams and convince them to pony up

I feel like that would really only work on the Nets, since the other teams would just wait and try to deal for KD themselves.