Pascal is on the brink of SUPERSTARDOM...

[Duffman100]

Gordon has maximized his talent by doing less and being the ultimate team player. He isnt trying to be the guy, instead he is making all the winning plays (running the lane, cutting off ball, playmaking and being an awesome defender).

Siakam has gone the opposite route, from a 2 way monster to an empty stats pseudo star who is leading his team to the lottery.

Why does this feel correct. Hmmmmm. Oh yeah…our record…..and their record.

Yeah let's ignore the fact that Gordon is playing next to the current reigning MVP and potentially the best player in the league. While Pascal is being forced into a #1 role when he isn't that.

As predicted, the hate is already shifting... Can't wait for 300 pages of "Its time to trade Pascal".

[Boogie!]

Gordon was already given the reigns in Orlando and wasn't even close to pascals production. Gordon will forever be a role player. Pascal just doesn't have the next gear. But he's still doing a good job being thrust into the number 1 option role. Put him next to another star and I guarantee he'll be killing it as a second option, his efficiency will go up and you won't see him tire out and force bad shots.

The one thing that amazed me in his breakout season was his elite ability to finish inside. The guy routinely made tough layups look easy. He also developed that spin move which he doesn't use nearly as much anymore. Like I said I think a lot of it is due to the heavy workload and fatigue. That's why he started off the season on fire and has gradually slowed down.

[djsunyc]

i get being upset with your team's performance. anxiety kicking in. some fear.

but going at every single player in such a viscious manner b/c you are unable to control your emotions? i have empathy for y'all. hope things get better for you.

[Duffman100]

Gordon was already given the reigns in Orlando and wasn't even close to pascals production. Gordon will forever be a role player. Pascal just doesn't have the next gear. But he's still doing a good job being thrust into the number 1 option role. Put him next to another star and I guarantee he'll be killing it as a second option, his efficiency will go up and you won't see him tire out and force bad shots.

The one thing that amazed me in his breakout season was his elite ability to finish inside. The guy routinely made tough layups look easy. He also developed that spin move which he doesn't use nearly as much anymore. Like I said I think a lot of it is due to the heavy workload and fatigue. That's why he started off the season on fire and has gradually slowed down.

Agreed.

Stick Pascal next to Jokic for a full and lets see what his stats are.

[Steelo Green]

Why is Pascal allowed to grow but Gordon is just a result of Jokic?

Gordon is by everyone here’s thought 27 which is not even prime.

The same advanced stats that are pushed in some faces for X player are now said to be irrelevant.

[Duffman100]

Why is Pascal allowed to grow but Gordon is just a result of Jokic?

Gordon is by everyone here’s thought 27 which is not even prime.

The same advanced stats that are pushed in some faces for X player are now said to be irrelevant.

Because Aaron Gordon conveniently is next to the league MVP when he's seen this spike. Gordon is having a good year, no doubt about that.

The better question is why purported fans of this team insist on **** ing on every one of our players and making false comparisons to players in completely different situations with different roles and usage.

[OakleyDokely]

Gordon had seasons in ORL where had a 24-25 usage level similar to Siakam and that didn't work out too well for Gordon or Orlando. It wasn't until his move to DEN where he happened to play with one of the GREATEST passers of all-time and a multiple MVP winner in Jokic before he became the ultimate role player, what a coincidence.

Siakam has already proven he can be an elite 2/3 next to superstar. He won a championship in that role. With the current team, the Raptors need higher usage from Siakam. They just don't have enough guys who can create their own offense, so they really need to lean into Siakam's self creation. This isn't a choice made by Siakam, it's a choice made by the coach and the organization.

Pretending Siakam is this selfish player who does whatever he wants is just a dishonest argument made by people with a total lack of awareness.

[Boogie!]

i get being upset with your team's performance. anxiety kicking in. some fear.

but going at every single player in such a viscious manner b/c you are unable to control your emotions? i have empathy for y'all. hope things get better for you.

Does this posting elitism make you feel better about yourself?

The worst are board psychologists who's only goal seems to make people feel lesser about the purported mental issues they choose to diagnose them with.

[Psubs]

Gordon had seasons in ORL where had a 24-25 usage level similar to Siakam and that didn't work out too well for Gordon or Orlando. It wasn't until his move to DEN where he happened to play with one of the GREATEST passers of all-time and a multiple MVP winner in Jokic before he became the ultimate role player, what a coincidence.

Siakam has already proven he can be an elite 2/3 next to superstar. He won a championship in that role. With the current team, the Raptors need higher usage from Siakam. They just don't have enough guys who can create their own offense, so they really need to lean into Siakam's self creation. This isn't a choice made by Siakam, it's a choice made by the coach and the organization.

Pretending Siakam is this selfish player who does whatever he wants is just a dishonest argument made by people with a total lack of awareness.

Agreed he needs a Kawhi to put him back into his #2. I see him like a Jaylen Brown behind Tatum.

[Steelo Green]

Pascal is a fine player as I and many have said - he slows down as the year goes on and with his lack of shooting and defense falling off makes him not some untouchable.

Better players than Pascal have been traded.

The affinity should be to winning - not players.

[NinjaBro]

Ban DelAbbot for bad takes.

[deck]

Pascal is a fine player as I and many have said - he slows down as the year goes on and with his lack of shooting and defense falling off makes him not some untouchable.

Better players than Pascal have been traded.

The affinity should be to winning - not players.

Check the recent poll on the forum, the vast majority of the board is open to trading Siakam, so all you have done here is present yet another strawman argument.

The recent posts here in this thread are suggesting that Aaron Gordon is better than Siakam, which is laughable. Even more hilarious because the take was presented by someone who routinely calls out other posters for being casuals and not knowing anything about basketball.

[NinjaBro]

Siakam's efficiency would go through the roof if he was playing with Jokic. All time bad take by DelAbbot

[djsunyc]

[DelAbbot]

There is no need to put words in my mouth - I only stated that Aaron Gordon has been better than Siakam so far this season, which is supported by several advanced stats. I'm not hating on Siakam (not until he gets his supermax). I made this observation in response to posters calling Siakam a Superstar/top 15 player/All-NBA selection lock, which I don't agree with and thus making an argument with some advanced stats.

Come time for All-NBA team selection, will Siakam be selected higher than Aaron Gordon because he has to carry a higher offensive burden but at much lower offensive efficiency and much lower defense?

[KrazyP]

There is no need to put words in my mouth - I only stated that Aaron Gordon has been better than Siakam so far this season, which is supported by several advanced stats. Come time for All-NBA team selection, will Siakam be selected higher than Aaron Gordon because he has to carry a higher offensive burden but at much lower offensive efficiency and much lower defense?

Aaron Gordon is playing 30 mpg with 20% usage playing behind an MVP. Stats dont lie but you do have to have some level of intelligence to interpret them. You would have to be a complete idiot to think these 2 players should be compared.

[deck]

Are we sure Siakam is worth a Gobert haul? He is actually worse than Aaron Gordon this year

So based on this post you would:

1. Support trading Siakam straight up for Arron Gordon?
2. Support trading Siakam straight up for Rudy Gobert?

You have in a single two sentence post lost the creditability to ever call someone out for being a casual.

[deck]

There is no need to put words in my mouth - I only stated that Aaron Gordon has been better than Siakam so far this season, which is supported by several advanced stats. I'm not hating on Siakam (not until he gets his supermax). I made this observation in response to posters calling Siakam a Superstar/top 15 player/All-NBA selection lock, which I don't agree with and thus making an argument with some advanced stats.

Come time for All-NBA team selection, will Siakam be selected higher than Aaron Gordon because he has to carry a higher offensive burden but at much lower offensive efficiency and much lower defense?

No one needs to put words in your mouth my man, you routinely do that yourself with poorly thought out posts like the one that revived this thread.

[ItsDanger]

Superstar? Top15? Raps current culture is about seeking individual achievement before the team. That should be more concerning than anything else.

[Tha Cynic]

I haven't been in this thread much because there are so many similar threads about trades, but damn, I just learned that Gordon is better than Siakam.

This board never ceases to amaze.

Moving on.