McBubbles wrote:mysticOscar wrote:McBubbles wrote:You're right. Spacing from 2009-2016 wasn't the same as in the 90's...
sometimes it was worse.The 2012 Miami Heat took 16 3's a game. The 1995 Houston Rockets took 21
in fact there were 12 more teams in the league that year in 1995 that took more 3's than Lebron's Heat in 2012.
Both the 96 and 97 Bulls took more 3 pointers than the 2012 Heat. Not to mention that the ramifications of not having shooting from 09-16 are also much worse than from not having shooting in the 90's. Yes, I'm aware that the 3 point line was shortened, but to act as if every team in the 90's just had zero form of spacing is ridiculous.
Also, yes, illegal defence rules would make it easier to initiate offence at the top of the key, it'd make it easier to initiate offence anywhere... What's with you sarcastically stating correct statements lol. The only thing you said that's an actual point is that LBJ would have to thrive in the triangle, but he's done well in relatively suboptimal (for maximising his impact) offensive systems before. Again, see 2-3 of his four championships.
If you think that the spacing in 2009-2016 is worse than the 90s then it really just speaks loudly on your knowledge of 90s NBA or your biases.
The fact that you use the argument that some teams in '95 shot more 3's than the '12 miami...but then acknowledge that the 3pt line was shortened in '95 but not acknowledge / realise that the shortened 3pt line means you are subtracting almost 2 foot of space under the 3pt line for most of the point in the semi circle.
Did you even consider the way the 3pt shot's were setup 90s? A lot of these 3's were setup from pass outs from the post compared to 2012. I hope i don't have to explain what that indicates about the spacing in the paint area when offensive systems are setup closer to the rim when initiating there offense.
Also a lot of teams went for OReb in the 90s and that should not require any explaining on what that says about the spacing in the paint in the 90s.
Now, let's look at a couple of major rules that should indicate to you spacing was way worse in the 90's in the paint area. Defensive 3 seconds intorduced in '01 and no charge call area under the rim introduced '97. In 2012 defenders can't stay in the paint area for more than 3 seconds without STRICTLY being an arms length of an opponent. In 2012 defenders are called for a blocking foul when trying to stop a charge within 3feet of the rim
You keep doing the battle cry of "illegal defense!" without really even understanding yourself how that somehow make spacing better for perimeter players '90s that like to innitiate from the top of the key.
In '12 illegal defense was already eliminated, but it also came with defensive 3 second rule and later clear guidline on handchecking rule.
Lebron fans...also Kobe fans in the earlier years used it to death to prop up there man....when they dont realise that the rule in eliminating illegal defense actually helped perimeter players like Lebron (and to a certain extent Kobe).
No serious NBA analyst / commentator would think that 2009-2016 had worse spacing than the 90s...and the only ppl that would state that are using it prop up there biases
Why do you keep on talking as if all 30 teams in the league from 09-16 had identical amounts of spacing? The worst spaced team within that time period had worse spacing than the best spaced team from the 90's. Dunno what else to tell you there.
Also, you know the league average offensive rating from 1990-1999 is
higher than the league average offensive rating from 2009-2016 right?
You can keep putting your assumptions and emphase your assumed outliers into this discussions but i dont know how that is convincing?
The average league rating has little to do with the topic at hand. The different environment and playstyles between the era's is what im more emphasising on and what is more specific to the topic of this thread, in particular Lebron's strength and weaknesses.
When you actually run your offense through the post, you can actually get a distribution of higher FT attempts (hey surprise surprise, the closer you try to score in the rim and more physical defense is allowed, ft's go up) as well as double chance points by going for OReb which also helps with increasing FTA...you can actually achieve a pretty decent ORating *shocker right?*
In 2012, the game has already started to move away from the post and more towards perimeters initiating the offense (less inlet passes to the post and more on the threat of the drive).
Really this type of style started more in the mid to late 90s with teams and players coming up trying to imitate the Bulls and MJ with high usage perimeter players (Iverson, Stackhouse, Kobe starting to dominate shot attempts in the league).....then you see the scoring and effeciency drop...and you can see the signals of this...less offensive reb happening, less free throw attempts etc..
But then the league stepping in to assist the perimeter players and then surprise surprise, scoring trends up and perimeter players now look like gods.
How are these relevant to Lebron and the time travel hypothetical? What seperated MJ and the other perimeter players was not just how good he was at driving to the rim (teams learnt how to slow those stuff down)...it was his midrange and post skills for someone in his position.
Lebron is at best inconsistent with his midrange...and his post work evolved to be decent but it was something that was not his strength throughout his career.
