2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[WeekapaugGroove]

I agree but did you watch the playoffs last season?

Yes i did, Do you see DLOs shooting for the playoff last year? You know where he shot .333.

How about when he was with the Nets? and shot .359%. Or the fact that he doesnt play defense?

We just missed out on Kyrie granted he is not a stable dude. Now you are saying we should pass on DAR.

Pray tell who is our backup point guard in the playoffs. Payne currently injured and CP3 might not be a reliable starter.

Beggars cannot be choosers unless you enjoyed watching the playoffs last season.

Oh I'm 100% in the camp they need to add a G. Paynes weird foot injury is super concerning.

I said like a week ago as much as I hate DLo if he's a cheap rental I'm fine with it.

But if the suns are giving up multiple picks for a guy that's not addressing the back up PG spot that's addressing the PG of the future and neither Kyrie or DLo are high on my list for that.

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[lilfishi22]

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What a massive misstep for an otherwise flawlessly run organisation. They had an opportunity few teams in history ever had and they completely whiffed on it. Coming off B2B finals appearances to have a tanktastic season and ending up with a #2 pick in the draft is something all 29 other teams would wish for. Some might know NBA history better than myself but the closest team that comes to mind is the late 90's Spurs which had a really really good team with an elite talent in Admiral but never could quite get to the Finals. D.Rob is out of most of teh 97 season with an injury, Spurs tank and they get the #1 pick which directly led to drafting a top 10 player of all time in TD which led to a title a year later and the rest is history.

I don't think the Warriors are all that hurt with those 4 titles to their name but they could've used that #2 pick to get their next franchise guy once Steph is done. Granted it wasn't a great draft but still had some good talent in there. Like can you imagine if they traded down for like a #8-10 pick plus another future top pick or a budding star player and took Haliburton instead.

Personally I think they got greedy and tried the almost impossible to pull off rebuild while contending and it's mostly not worked. Probably should have traded those picks or guys earlier for vet help with the Curry.

But **** they still won another god damn title anyway so I guess they shouldn't be too upset.

Them missing on some lotto picks is all the proof you need that the draft is a crap shoot. Even the best run organizations get picks wrong all the time.

On the Simmons pod they mentioned the trade value for wiseman right now is a couple second round picks.

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I wouldn't go as far as to say they got greedy because I think there were a lot of factors which were out of their control but put them in the perfect position to get a very high pick. Like they obviously didn't plan for Klay to tear his ACL and be out for like 3yrs, nor for KD to tear his Achilles and then bail on the team that offseason nor Steph to get injured in that tanking season. Sure they probably milked Steph's injury more than needed to get a worse record but the opportunity did fall into their lap and I don't think they would've been a good team anyway even if Steph was healthy. That's as opposed to The Process in Philly who planned to tank for like half a decade.

Their problem was their squandered an amazing opportunity that few teams ever get.

[Blonde]

Nobody asking for DLo is expecting a star. His limitations are pretty obvious as are his strengths. Suns don’t need a superstar for what they’d be asking of him.

See i think the problem with DLo is he thinks he's a star. If he's willing to come here and be locked in and play a supporting role then cool. Maybe Devin can talk some sense in his buddy.

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That could be. If his expectation is to be 1B to Booker then I agree we should not entertain adding him. But maybe he’s figured it out now? He’s on a career low usage and career high TS% so something seems to be clicking.

[WeekapaugGroove]

What a massive misstep for an otherwise flawlessly run organisation. They had an opportunity few teams in history ever had and they completely whiffed on it. Coming off B2B finals appearances to have a tanktastic season and ending up with a #2 pick in the draft is something all 29 other teams would wish for. Some might know NBA history better than myself but the closest team that comes to mind is the late 90's Spurs which had a really really good team with an elite talent in Admiral but never could quite get to the Finals. D.Rob is out of most of teh 97 season with an injury, Spurs tank and they get the #1 pick which directly led to drafting a top 10 player of all time in TD which led to a title a year later and the rest is history.

I don't think the Warriors are all that hurt with those 4 titles to their name but they could've used that #2 pick to get their next franchise guy once Steph is done. Granted it wasn't a great draft but still had some good talent in there. Like can you imagine if they traded down for like a #8-10 pick plus another future top pick or a budding star player and took Haliburton instead.

Personally I think they got greedy and tried the almost impossible to pull off rebuild while contending and it's mostly not worked. Probably should have traded those picks or guys earlier for vet help with the Curry.

But **** they still won another god damn title anyway so I guess they shouldn't be too upset.

Them missing on some lotto picks is all the proof you need that the draft is a crap shoot. Even the best run organizations get picks wrong all the time.

On the Simmons pod they mentioned the trade value for wiseman right now is a couple second round picks.

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I wouldn't go as far as to say they got greedy because I think there were a lot of factors which were out of their control but put them in the perfect position to get a very high pick. Like they obviously didn't plan for Klay to tear his ACL and be out for like 3yrs, nor for KD to tear his Achilles and then bail on the team that offseason nor Steph to get injured in that tanking season. Sure they probably milked Steph's injury more than needed to get a worse record but the opportunity did fall into their lap and I don't think they would've been a good team anyway even if Steph was healthy. That's as opposed to The Process in Philly who planned to tank for like half a decade.

Their problem was their squandered an amazing opportunity that few teams ever get.

Their greed wasn't getting the picks it was not immediately using that asset for a sure thing vet or two. They went the upside route instead. I get it and again they won a f-ing championship but had they got a couple solid starter types instead of the kids they would be in a better spot to try and repeat.



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[lilfishi22]

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I don't see how that 3 team deal could work unless one of Minny or Utah take thatl hit on their draft capital demands and almost give LA a win with what LA can give up. Like LA has F all assets except for a couple future picks and Westbrook and clearly Utah wants those picks for taking on WB so one of Minny/Utah has to relent for that deal to go down.

In any case, I just hope neither teams do LA that favor

[Jdiddy701]

According to Stein, the Raptors are trying to acquire Poeltle from the Spurs. Seems like they might continue to try to compete. That’s huge news for all teams imo.


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[Waylay13]

I agree but did you watch the playoffs last season?

Yes i did, Do you see DLOs shooting for the playoff last year? You know where he shot .333.

How about when he was with the Nets? and shot .359%. Or the fact that he doesnt play defense?

We just missed out on Kyrie granted he is not a stable dude. Now you are saying we should pass on DAR.

Pray tell who is our backup point guard in the playoffs. Payne currently injured and CP3 might not be a reliable starter.

Beggars cannot be choosers unless you enjoyed watching the playoffs last season.

They are going to want something for him. I promise you they will not take pocket lint. So that means we are going to be having to give away draft picks and at least a good player that they will want. in other words they are going to be demanding a player like Bridges or Cam; and in that I am 100% against that. Life after CP3 is on the way and we have seen that we need a real point guard to run this team and that means someone like CP3 or Rubio. DLO is a shot first point guard who looks to his teams after. If we could get someone like Fox I would be going all in on unloading the draft capital and maybe Cam but we are not we are talking about a player who is an idiot.

[Mr Puddles]

Nobody asking for DLo is expecting a star. His limitations are pretty obvious as are his strengths. Suns don’t need a superstar for what they’d be asking of him.

This. So many here were clamoring over Jordan Clarkson, but then balk at Russell Westbrook who would essentially be asked to play the Jordan Clarkson role - only is a much better basketball player.

Getting DLO and Vanderbilt for expiring and some draft capital would be a big success IMO. Much better than paying through the nose for KD or OG.

[lilfishi22]

According to Stein, the Raptors are trying to acquire Poeltle from the Spurs. Seems like they might continue to try to compete. That’s huge news for all teams imo.


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They need a C and Poelt is good enough.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Nobody asking for DLo is expecting a star. His limitations are pretty obvious as are his strengths. Suns don’t need a superstar for what they’d be asking of him.

See i think the problem with DLo is he thinks he's a star. If he's willing to come here and be locked in and play a supporting role then cool. Maybe Devin can talk some sense in his buddy.

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Sure, This is a fair point. But you see the beauty of trading forv Russell is in his being an expiring so we'd get to take a test run on him for the rest of the season. And IF he can ball out and play in a specific role for us effectively, then we'd have his bird rights to resign him! But if he doesn't do so hot, It's no big loss really as he's an expiring contract and wouldn't cost us any long term investment if he doesn't provide what we want. At the very least though, he'd give us much greater backup guard depth and scoring off the bench than what we currently field with Payne and Shamet who are wildly unreliable this season.

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[Slim Charless]

According to Stein, the Raptors are trying to acquire Poeltle from the Spurs. Seems like they might continue to try to compete. That’s huge news for all teams imo.


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They need a C and Poelt is good enough.

Don't tell BW this. It'll break his heart to hear that Peotl is unavailable if that trade happens.

Maybe Toronto can reroute him to us for Ayton?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[lilfishi22]

Yes i did, Do you see DLOs shooting for the playoff last year? You know where he shot .333.

How about when he was with the Nets? and shot .359%. Or the fact that he doesnt play defense?

We just missed out on Kyrie granted he is not a stable dude. Now you are saying we should pass on DAR.

Pray tell who is our backup point guard in the playoffs. Payne currently injured and CP3 might not be a reliable starter.

Beggars cannot be choosers unless you enjoyed watching the playoffs last season.

They are going to want something for him. I promise you they will not take pocket lint. So that means we are going to be having to give away draft picks and at least a good player that they will want. in other words they are going to be demanding a player like Bridges or Cam; and in that I am 100% against that. Life after CP3 is on the way and we have seen that we need a real point guard to run this team and that means someone like CP3 or Rubio. DLO is a shot first point guard who looks to his teams after. If we could get someone like Fox I would be going all in on unloading the draft capital and maybe Cam but we are not we are talking about a player who is an idiot.

A DLo trade is hard because of his high salary and he's a free agent. Would they be happy with Dario/Crowder/Shamet and a pick or something? I don't know although I'd lean no. And the other consideration is resigning him because he's going to be a free agent and I wouldn't want to have given up a pick and the opportunity cost of what Dario/Crowder/Shamet could net if not with DLo.

I'm very open to DLo, I think he brings the right amount of skills and youth to this team but there are real considerations around the give up and the financial commitment to him after.

[lilfishi22]

Personally I think they got greedy and tried the almost impossible to pull off rebuild while contending and it's mostly not worked. Probably should have traded those picks or guys earlier for vet help with the Curry.

But **** they still won another god damn title anyway so I guess they shouldn't be too upset.

Them missing on some lotto picks is all the proof you need that the draft is a crap shoot. Even the best run organizations get picks wrong all the time.

On the Simmons pod they mentioned the trade value for wiseman right now is a couple second round picks.

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I wouldn't go as far as to say they got greedy because I think there were a lot of factors which were out of their control but put them in the perfect position to get a very high pick. Like they obviously didn't plan for Klay to tear his ACL and be out for like 3yrs, nor for KD to tear his Achilles and then bail on the team that offseason nor Steph to get injured in that tanking season. Sure they probably milked Steph's injury more than needed to get a worse record but the opportunity did fall into their lap and I don't think they would've been a good team anyway even if Steph was healthy. That's as opposed to The Process in Philly who planned to tank for like half a decade.

Their problem was their squandered an amazing opportunity that few teams ever get.

Their greed wasn't getting the picks it was not immediately using that asset for a sure thing vet or two. They went the upside route instead. I get it and again they won a f-ing championship but had they got a couple solid starter types instead of the kids they would be in a better spot to try and repeat.



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Hmmm that's one perspective to have, although I don't totally agree with it. I think it's a tough sell when you actually have a #2 pick. In hindsight, they probably would've done better with a vet/star than taking a punt in the draft but it's different when you're heading into the draft with a #2 pick in hand. There's potential to get a useable plug-n-play player who could also turn into a future star. So I get that's where the greed might come into the picture but I think their logic to draft a high potential guy vs trade for a star is perfectly fine to me. And given their very solid draft record (Steph, Klay, Dray, Poole, Looney), I think they could be given the benefit of the doubt there.

And yeah lol boo hoo they can have a cry in their trophy room

[RaisingArizona]

Regarding everything Mat said today - I am in love

[WeekapaugGroove]

Nobody asking for DLo is expecting a star. His limitations are pretty obvious as are his strengths. Suns don’t need a superstar for what they’d be asking of him.

See i think the problem with DLo is he thinks he's a star. If he's willing to come here and be locked in and play a supporting role then cool. Maybe Devin can talk some sense in his buddy.

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Sure, This is a fair point. But you see the beauty of trading forv Russell is in his being an expiring so we'd get to take a test run on him for the rest of the season. And IF he can ball out and play in a specific role for us effectively, then we'd have his bird rights to resign him! But if he doesn't do so hot, It's no big loss really as he's an expiring contract and wouldn't cost us any long term investment if he doesn't provide what we want. At the very least though, he'd give us much greater backup guard depth and scoring off the bench than what we currently field with Payne and Shamet who are wildly unreliable this season.

Oh yeah if they can get him for just expirings and like next years first then I completely understand that trade and gamble.

But if we got multiple teams trying to trade for him then it starts costing real future assets to the point it can't be a rental. That's where I sour on that.

Hell I think Kyrie is a selfish fool but if it was just CP and Jae I would have been fine giving it a chance. It's this Cam Johnson or multiple firsts where I'm like no way.

There's some nuance in-between wanting and not wanting the suns to trade for a guy. At a low cost I'm fine trying anything.

I also always look at what role I see for the incoming player and then I ask myself what role that player expects and when those two things are far apart I get concerned. It's easy for us to say so and so would be great as a role playing bench guy but some dude are just not down for that kind of thing.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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It's almost as if the Spurs front office is comfortable trading their primary center because they're super confident that they'll have a replacement one soon anyways!!!

[starbosa10]

Lakers only giving up one pick to get Dlo, Vanderbilt and Beasley lol what a joke. Minnesota continues to be incompetent