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Post#181 » by Crives » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:03 pm

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Tha King wrote:agree with the thought that if there is a trade it's likely the Suns. A player like KD is going where he wants and that's likely where he wants to go. Also wouldn't be surprised if there was an understanding reached in the summer to trade him there midseason if things didn't work out.

Ayton, Bridges, all picks
KD, O'Neale, Warren

Suns aren't the ideal team because there is some redundancy but I wonder if Ayton/Claxton could work? If Simmons/Claxton can start and play together, not sure why they can't. Defensively, I think Ayton is pretty switchable for a center and it would allow Claxton to be more of a perimeter/help defender.


For Nets fans that think Suns would offer this, I get it it’s KD, you want a lot. But no team is going to trade for KD at his age with his injury history if the trade makes them worse both now and in the future…. The trade has to make the other team significantly better now, but significantly worse in the future for both teams to be interested

Suns could trade their 7 1sts (3 swaps), for Siakam right now with expirings.

Do you really think KD would help phx win now more then Ayton + Siakam + Mikal? It wouldn’t. So no deal.


Three 1sts are not getting you Siakim. If that were the case we would have traded for him already.

You have no leverage in what to give us for KD anyway. Hes signed 3 more years and many other teams will want him.


Suns have 7 firsts to trade, not 3 (4 1sts and 3 swaps), + all their 2nds
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#182 » by Lachiebkn » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:13 pm

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For Nets fans that think Suns would offer this, I get it it’s KD, you want a lot. But no team is going to trade for KD at his age with his injury history if the trade makes them worse both now and in the future…. The trade has to make the other team significantly better now, but significantly worse in the future for both teams to be interested

Suns could trade their 7 1sts (3 swaps), for Siakam right now with expirings.

Do you really think KD would help phx win now more then Ayton + Siakam + Mikal? It wouldn’t. So no deal.

trading Kevin Durant with several more years on his contract for a 3&D role player OR another center who the Suns don't even seem to want doesn't make sense for the Nets either.

like I said, Suns aren't the ideal team.


Ayton is a young top 5 center

Mikal is young and was very very close to winning DPOY, and has grown his offensive game and has become 20+ppg scorer, not a 3&d guy



With all these great suns players you would think they would be a little higher in the weak western conference. Or at least blown out the nets without all their good players.
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#183 » by Crives » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:24 pm

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Tha King wrote:trading Kevin Durant with several more years on his contract for a 3&D role player OR another center who the Suns don't even seem to want doesn't make sense for the Nets either.

like I said, Suns aren't the ideal team.


Ayton is a young top 5 center

Mikal is young and was very very close to winning DPOY, and has grown his offensive game and has become 20+ppg scorer, not a 3&d guy



With all these great suns players you would think they would be a little higher in the weak western conference. Or at least blown out the nets without all their good players.


When seven of your eight top rotation players are out an extended time it has an impact on your record. This team won 64 games last year.
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#184 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:47 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:Not clear on what he means, but in a comment reply to a link to an article about the Raptors demanding Claxton in any significant trade, Windrem states "I heard something that might indicate this is true. A housecleaning."


I don't want to sacrifice Claxton for KD's wishy washy ass. I'm sorry. I don't trust him. We've already blown a ton of draft capital to appease him and it's yielded us absolutely nothing.
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#185 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:51 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:Not clear on what he means, but in a comment reply to a link to an article about the Raptors demanding Claxton in any significant trade, Windrem states "I heard something that might indicate this is true. A housecleaning."


I don't want to sacrifice Claxton for KD's wishy washy ass. I'm sorry. I don't trust him. We've already blown a ton of draft capital to appease him and it's yielded us absolutely nothing.

I'm taking it as a complete rebuild. KD & Claxton heading out, along with others.
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Post#186 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:53 pm

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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#187 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:54 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:Not clear on what he means, but in a comment reply to a link to an article about the Raptors demanding Claxton in any significant trade, Windrem states "I heard something that might indicate this is true. A housecleaning."


I don't want to sacrifice Claxton for KD's wishy washy ass. I'm sorry. I don't trust him. We've already blown a ton of draft capital to appease him and it's yielded us absolutely nothing.

I'm taking it as a complete rebuild. KD & Claxton heading out, along with others.



....why would we trade out Claxton? That makes no sense. If we're rebuilding, Nic should be one of the pieces we build around.
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#188 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:00 pm

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I don't want to sacrifice Claxton for KD's wishy washy ass. I'm sorry. I don't trust him. We've already blown a ton of draft capital to appease him and it's yielded us absolutely nothing.

I'm taking it as a complete rebuild. KD & Claxton heading out, along with others.



....why would we trade out Claxton? That makes no sense. If we're rebuilding, Nic should be one of the pieces we build around.

Unless:
1) He's discontent and acting out because Kyrie/KD are gone (doubt it, but could be a reason).
2) Ayton is coming back in a KD trade.
3) Somebody makes us an offer we can't refuse. It sounds like Masai really wants Claxton.
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Post#189 » by Tha King » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:05 pm

I guess it would make sense if a center like Ayton was coming in. Claxton is better between the two but Ayton is signed long term so then trading Claxton for a similar caliber perimeter player would kinda make sense from a roster building perspective.
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Post#190 » by They_Them_Hatin » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:15 pm

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They_Them_Hatin wrote:Imagine trading KD at the deadline and have to swap Wemby with Houston. Marks should’ve been improved this roster months ago. He needs to salvage this season, get fired and let a new gm trade KD in the off season.

The Nets likely still make the play in given how far ahead they are from the current 11 seed. Odds of our pick becoming Wemby are extremely low. If it did become Wemby, we should be happy, because that means we're getting a top 5 pick back in the swap.

It’s called a lottery, jumps have happened before. I’m not giving anyone a chance to steal a generational player from me. Plus if we’re so far ahead to fall down that bad, what’s the rush in waiting a few more months? This isn’t a trade you make in a few days. Give teams a better chance to make better offers then Ayton+ Bridges. Rudy Gobert on an awful contract got traded for 5 picks, and a decent prospect, now it was the Wolves but still at his age and injury history KD is way better than him and will get a haul. Let teams prepare to offer a major haul over the summer instead of taking back Phoenix’s crappy package.
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#191 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:16 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:I'm taking it as a complete rebuild. KD & Claxton heading out, along with others.



....why would we trade out Claxton? That makes no sense. If we're rebuilding, Nic should be one of the pieces we build around.

Unless:
1) He's discontent and acting out because Kyrie/KD are gone (doubt it, but could be a reason).
2) Ayton is coming back in a KD trade.
3) Somebody makes us an offer we can't refuse. It sounds like Masai really wants Claxton.



I don't feel comfortable trading him to Toronto unless the return is substantial. He's 23 years old and is everything that you want out of a modern center aside from shooting, and who's to say that he can't add that down the road?

I don't want Ayton. Anyone that clashes with Monty Williams makes me raise an eyebrow.
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Post#192 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:24 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:Not clear on what he means, but in a comment reply to a link to an article about the Raptors demanding Claxton in any significant trade, Windrem states "I heard something that might indicate this is true. A housecleaning."


I don't want to sacrifice Claxton for KD's wishy washy ass. I'm sorry. I don't trust him. We've already blown a ton of draft capital to appease him and it's yielded us absolutely nothing.

not only that, which is a strong argument/defense not to move Clax alone, Claxton is OUR ONLY NBA CENTER....

we have zero bigs if he's moved. we can't be successful with just 1 big either.
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#193 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:42 pm

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For Nets fans that think Suns would offer this, I get it it’s KD, you want a lot. But no team is going to trade for KD at his age with his injury history if the trade makes them worse both now and in the future…. The trade has to make the other team significantly better now, but significantly worse in the future for both teams to be interested

Suns could trade their 7 1sts (3 swaps), for Siakam right now with expirings.

Do you really think KD would help phx win now more then Ayton + Siakam + Mikal? It wouldn’t. So no deal.


Three 1sts are not getting you Siakim. If that were the case we would have traded for him already.

You have no leverage in what to give us for KD anyway. Hes signed 3 more years and many other teams will want him.


Suns have 7 firsts to trade, not 3 (4 1sts and 3 swaps), + all their 2nds


Nobody cares that much about those swaps if the team is going to be very good.

In any case if you think you can get Siakim for 3 1sts then do it.

We both know Siakim and Booker isn't winning **** in the West anyway.

We can get much more for Durant from the Pelicans or Grizzlies anyway. Maybe even the Celtics.
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#194 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:45 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:Not clear on what he means, but in a comment reply to a link to an article about the Raptors demanding Claxton in any significant trade, Windrem states "I heard something that might indicate this is true. A housecleaning."


I don't want to sacrifice Claxton for KD's wishy washy ass. I'm sorry. I don't trust him. We've already blown a ton of draft capital to appease him and it's yielded us absolutely nothing.

not only that, which is a strong argument/defense not to move Clax alone, Claxton is OUR ONLY NBA CENTER....

we have zero bigs if he's moved. we can't be successful with just 1 big either.


There is absolutely no reason to trade Claxton. Hes 23 and his way to becoming an all star and future DPOY.

Him and Cam are the perfect combo.

If KD stays we need him defensively. If KD goes we need him for the rebuild since we don't have picks for years to come.
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#195 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Feb 8, 2023 10:02 pm

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I don't want to sacrifice Claxton for KD's wishy washy ass. I'm sorry. I don't trust him. We've already blown a ton of draft capital to appease him and it's yielded us absolutely nothing.

not only that, which is a strong argument/defense not to move Clax alone, Claxton is OUR ONLY NBA CENTER....

we have zero bigs if he's moved. we can't be successful with just 1 big either.


There is absolutely no reason to trade Claxton. Hes 23 and his way to becoming an all star and future DPOY.

Him and Cam are the perfect combo.

If KD stays we need him defensively. If KD goes we need him for the rebuild since we don't have picks for years to come.


Right. Trading KD should bring back picks and young assets that we can grow with Cam and Clax.

There's a way out of this mess, and it starts by NOT giving up our assets to appease Kevin Durant. Marks got burned by Harden and Kyrie. To make this same mistake a 3rd time should result in termination.
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Post#196 » by Lachiebkn » Wed Feb 8, 2023 11:27 pm

Do you guys think we win these last 3 games with Kyrie compared to cam? I think we get virtually the same results.

If you replace those two with kd though I’d think we would have a better record. Kyrie and cam are a bucket, but they don’t make their teammates better. Our record with kd as the only star has been pretty good and he seems to raise the role Players outputs and galvanises the team.

If cam can give us 65% of kyrie and we just added dinwiddie and dfs are we not a more rounded team for kd to compete in. Yes I’d love an all star move but maybe the smaller moves around seth and harris for missing pieces would actually make us an even better team.

Surely something around harris for Collins is in the works if nothing big can be organised.

Kd playing with this tough roster for the rest of the season May turn his mind and make him want to stay for the remainder of his contract.
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#197 » by Papi_swav » Thu Feb 9, 2023 12:52 am

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njnets62892 wrote:The writing is officially on the wall. I'm strongly leaning towards KD is getting traded by the deadline. Thankfully we may recoup enough value so the cupboard isn't as bare as it was after Billy King.

Nobody in the front office should have a job this summer after the past 18 months or so. It's just too bad you can't fire the owner as well.


I agree. Trade KD as soon as possible for the maximum value.

Its stupid to just delay this until June.

And yes the next step is to fire Marks. He was the head of the snake for the entire disaster of the KD/Kyrie era.

Hire a completely new GM. Keep Vaughn. And start rebuilding around Cam and Clax.

I'm not even against keeping for Simmons now. We can sell off Curry, Mills, Harris etc for picks.

Na i don't think it makes sense to trade KD now, we only have like 14 hours before the deadline, the trade will be too rushed. Unless a team throws a crazy offer at us but I don't see it right now. I don't see Tsai firing Marks, I think Marks has a plan and Tsai is trying to stick with it.

I don't think we can totally put the blame all on Marks, Kyrie is just a nut. He swung for the fences just like any GM would do and acquire 3 superstars, it just didn't work out mostly because of Kyrie and his shenanigans'. Looking at these other GMs I think we should stick it out with Marks. He helped turn this franchise around when we was in the dumpster and many players have raved about how the Nets operate. Just think it can always be worse, look at the TWolves GM and that ridiculous trade they did for Gobert , or that Westbrook trade etc.. We was actually able to get KD and Kyrie, something that nobody thought would ever happen especially when we was in hell. He also made some nice draft picks in Allen, Claxton and now Cam.
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#198 » by Papi_swav » Thu Feb 9, 2023 12:56 am

Yea no way I'm trading Claxton, he's probably the only untouchable player on this roster. Dude has alot of potential and is a 2 way player, no way. Those guys don't grow on trees. Especially how he defends both the rim and perimeter, there are only a handful of players that can do that efficiently. Claxton should be here whether we contend or rebuild.
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Re: Trade Deadline 10 Days Away - What Should We Do? 

Post#199 » by NetsWorld » Thu Feb 9, 2023 1:01 am

I think heading into tomorrow, we need to think of realistic trades; Raptors don't want to give us OG/Siakam; perhaps revisit Naz Reid or Jeremy Grant?
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Post#200 » by Eatgreenz » Thu Feb 9, 2023 1:31 am

NetsWorld wrote:I think heading into tomorrow, we need to think of realistic trades; Raptors don't want to give us OG/Siakam; perhaps revisit Naz Reid or Jeremy Grant?

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