2023 Trade Rumors

Crunch 99 · Post #141 » by **Crunch 99** » Mon Feb 6, 2023 12:41 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:I think that all trades that might have been discussed or even making traction have been put on hold until this Kyrie situation plays out.

And for that reason, I am really glad the Irving-trade happened yesterday, with four days left to trade deadline. There is time for some Jazz players to become front and center in trade talks again, and for Trader Ainge to hopefully work some magic.

This Real GM article from Saturday says Ainge is looking for a first round pick for each of Conley, Beasley and Vanderbilt, and that the 76ers are the team that has shown the most interest in Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt would be an excellent acquisition for the 76ers.

Jazz Want First-Round Pick For Each Of Mike Conley, Malik Beasley, Jarred Vanderbilt
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270277/Jazz-Want-First-Round-Pick-For-Each-Of-Mike-Conley-Malik-Beasley-Jarred-Vanderbilt

pickIBL · Post #142 » by **pickIBL** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 5:55 pm

Ainge is now free to do his thing. Team chemistry wont survive this year. Ainge will get his assets and the jazz will end the year 13th in the west.

TB · Post #143 » by TB » Tue Feb 7, 2023 7:47 pm

As a Warriors fan, Kessler being legit really ruined my hope of trading Wiseman for Vando and Rudy Gay... but any chance that is still on the table if there are 2nds or a future 1st included?

Also think Moody would be equivalent to a 1st rounder in a straight swap for Vando? Not sure I'd do this one as a Warriors fan since I still see Moody as a good starter in the Wes Mathews mold. But, no doubt Vando would help the Warriors this year and next.

Any Warriors deals ya'll think could work from the Jazz side (with understanding Kuminga is not available

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red4hf · Post #144 » by **red4hf** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 7:52 pm

TB wrote:As a Warriors fan, Kessler being legit really ruined my hope of trading Wiseman for Vando and Rudy Gay... but any chance that is still on the table if there are 2nds or a future 1st included?

Also think Moody would be equivalent to a 1st rounder in a straight swap for Vando? Not sure I'd do this one as a Warriors fan since I still see Moody as a good starter in the Wes Mathews mold. But, no doubt Vando would help the Warriors this year and next.

Any Warriors deals ya'll think could work from the Jazz side (with understanding Kuminga is not available )

I'd love to get Moody on the Jazz..... I think he could still develop into a solid player.......

zero24gravity · Post #145 » by **zero24gravity** » Tue Feb 7, 2023 8:57 pm

red4hf wrote:
TB wrote:As a Warriors fan, Kessler being legit really ruined my hope of trading Wiseman for Vando and Rudy Gay... but any chance that is still on the table if there are 2nds or a future 1st included?

Also think Moody would be equivalent to a 1st rounder in a straight swap for Vando? Not sure I'd do this one as a Warriors fan since I still see Moody as a good starter in the Wes Mathews mold. But, no doubt Vando would help the Warriors this year and next.

Any Warriors deals ya'll think could work from the Jazz side (with understanding Kuminga is not available )

I'd love to get Moody on the Jazz..... I think he could still develop into a solid player.......

Agreed that Moody has some interest, and I think would fit into the Jazz FO's idea of getting 1st round picks or their equivalent (like a 20 yr old, recent late lottery pick). Wiseman is not overly enticing at this point, but is a bit of a low risk - high reward option for any team other than the Warriors. The Jazz are ugly-thin at center, other than Kessler (Olynyk tries, but if Kessler went down, we'd be screwed).

GS gets: Vanderbilt, Gay, Azabuke (+ 2nd round pick?)
UT gets: Moody, Wiseman

As much as I love Vanderbilt's motor and D, I'd be willing to part with him to get out from under Gay & Azabuke, while adding a couple players with potential. My biggest concern with the roster after this is the log-jam at SG, where we are already seeing no playing time for NAW & THT, so I think another move would be needed to balance the roster. (I prefer to keep NAW.)

ESPN trade machine actually says this is a losing deal for both teams. <shrug>

Crunch 99 · Post #146 » by **Crunch 99** » Wed Feb 8, 2023 2:27 pm

VanVleet, rather than Conley, appears to be dominating the latest trade articles for point guards.

2/7/23 Clippers, Suns, Lakers, Magic, Wolves Interested In Fred VanVleet
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270334/Clippers-Suns-Lakers-Magic-Wolves-Interested-In-Fred-VanVleet

Post #147 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Wed Feb 8, 2023 6:10 pm

Unless something crazy happens and the floodgates open, this trade deadline is going to be a real dud. Almost no movement. But tomorrow may still be hectic.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #148 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:05 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #149 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:18 pm

JJ Redick also said (based on Twitter reports) that a Jazz-Lakers deal is close.

The 3-way deal makes sense but honestly, I think Conley is a better fit than Russell for the Lakers. Then again, he's also a better fit for the Wolves.

Either way, go get those picks, Ainge!

D Rog · Post #150 » by **D Rog** » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:23 pm

I know somebody else on this board is a Naz Reid fan. If this 3 team deal goes down with the Lakers and T-Wolves, I would like to see the Jazz pick him up and see how he fits for the final 25 games. He is a FA this summer but he can shoot from outside and would be a decent back up Center to tryout.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #151 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:35 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:JJ Redick also said (based on Twitter reports) that a Jazz-Lakers deal is close.

The 3-way deal makes sense but honestly, I think Conley is a better fit than Russell for the Lakers. Then again, he's also a better fit for the Wolves.

Either way, go get those picks, Ainge!

I think that perhaps the Lakers want to be in a position to improve their chances this year while having cap flexibility to sign Kyrie this summer. This trade would do that as DLo, Beas and Vando are all expiring or team options.

Post #152 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:43 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:JJ Redick also said (based on Twitter reports) that a Jazz-Lakers deal is close.

The 3-way deal makes sense but honestly, I think Conley is a better fit than Russell for the Lakers. Then again, he's also a better fit for the Wolves.

Either way, go get those picks, Ainge!

I think that perhaps the Lakers want to be in a position to improve their chances this year while having cap flexibility to sign Kyrie this summer. This trade would do that as DLo, Beas and Vando are all expiring or team options.

If that's their goal then they deserve for it to blow up in their faces. They have a very LA way of doing things, trying to have as many stars on the team as possible. They already had 2 stars with LeBron and AD and instead of building a deap and quality supporting cast to complement them they trade for Westbrook. If they're going to do the same with Irving, they deserve the same result.

pickIBL · Post #153 » by **pickIBL** » Wed Feb 8, 2023 11:05 pm

Here we go

D Rog · Post #154 » by **D Rog** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 1:45 am

WOW!!! Thought Ainge could have gotten more for Malik and Vanderbilt

Jammer · Post #155 » by **Jammer** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 2:10 am

I hope that the Utah Front Office does not get tricked into letting the Lakers put Protections on the pick. About a dozen years ago the Lakers traded a 1rst with Top 4 Protection, that NEVER CONVEYED. They got Brandon Ingram (#2), Lonzo Ball (#2) and DeAngelo Russell (#2) in consecutive years and some poor bastard got stuck with a second round pick.

I really hope the Jazz don't let the Lakers run that scam a second time and insist on Unprotected Picks. The League can't have too many teams play the fool for the Lakers (although I could see Minnesota losing a game of 3-Card Monte to the Lakers, those guys are not so on the ball).

Hopefully between Ainge, Justin Zanick and Ryan somebody up there knows the scam that the Lakers play. Take a protected pick and they will tank to keep it.

Cappy_Smurf · Post #156 » by **Cappy_Smurf** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 2:42 am

Jammer wrote:I hope that the Utah Front Office does not get tricked into letting the Lakers put Protections on the pick. About a dozen years ago the Lakers traded a 1rst with Top 4 Protection, that NEVER CONVEYED. They got Brandon Ingram (#2), Lonzo Ball (#2) and DeAngelo Russell (#2) in consecutive years and some poor bastard got stuck with a second round pick.

I really hope the Jazz don't let the Lakers run that scam a second time and insist on Unprotected Picks. The League can't have too many teams play the fool for the Lakers (although I could see Minnesota losing a game of 3-Card Monte to the Lakers, those guys are not so on the ball).

Hopefully between Ainge, Justin Zanick and Ryan somebody up there knows the scam that the Lakers play. Take a protected pick and they will tank to keep it.

The pick is being reported as top 4 protected.

Draft pick percentages have changed a bit since the situation you mentioned. Even if the Lakers are the worst team in the NBA in 27, Utah will have about a 50% chance to keep the pick.

Somewhat of a disappointing return, but at least Utah is committed to the tank now.

D Rog · Post #157 » by **D Rog** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:30 am

Over or under after the trade??

Utah wins 36 this year?

I say 36 about right

AingesBurner · Post #158 » by **AingesBurner** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 4:33 am

As I have pointed out on the T&T, this trade is Danny chess. We have effectively taken LA out of the mix for superstar trades, all roads run through Utah. Never thought I would see Utah control the NBA landscape via assets.

bkohler · Post #159 » by **bkohler** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:03 am

That’s probably the overlooked thing with the situation in the NBA right now. You’ve got like 4 teams controlling the majority of future assets. So it’s not like Danny had a lot of options to get good FRPs for Vando/Beasley.

Even going forward it’s going to be interesting because so many teams have spent their capital already.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #160 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:55 am

Now its time to trade Olynyk.