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2022-2023 Regular Season Game 55: New York Knicks (29-26) at Orlando Magic (22-32) - 7pm

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Re: 2022-2023 Regular Season Game 55: New York Knicks (29-26) at Orlando Magic (22-32) - 7pm 

Post#381 » by VFX » Thu Feb 9, 2023 2:41 am

Rainwater wrote:What is wild to me is that most people know we need shooters and most know we need better guard play, but it seems like people don't want to move the necessary players to make it happen. If you really believe Franz and Paolo are the future, and WCJ to a lesser extent, unless there is some kind of radical improvement you have to do something with Fultz and Suggs to correct the problems this team has. Either you bench or trade them, I don't know how you get around this.


Suggs stays.

You don’t throw away elite talent on defense. I don’t care if he’s off the bench for tough assignments.
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Post#382 » by Rainwater » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:00 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Rainwater wrote:What is wild to me is that most people know we need shooters and most know we need better guard play, but it seems like people don't want to move the necessary players to make it happen. If you really believe Franz and Paolo are the future, and WCJ to a lesser extent, unless there is some kind of radical improvement you have to do something with Fultz and Suggs to correct the problems this team has. Either you bench or trade them, I don't know how you get around this.


Suggs stays.

You don’t throw away elite talent on defense. I don’t care if he’s off the bench for tough assignments.


I completely agree. I just feel like people are more concerned with what is best for their favorite player (Suggs and Fultz) than what is best for the team.
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Post#383 » by VFX » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:10 am

Rainwater wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Rainwater wrote:What is wild to me is that most people know we need shooters and most know we need better guard play, but it seems like people don't want to move the necessary players to make it happen. If you really believe Franz and Paolo are the future, and WCJ to a lesser extent, unless there is some kind of radical improvement you have to do something with Fultz and Suggs to correct the problems this team has. Either you bench or trade them, I don't know how you get around this.


Suggs stays.

You don’t throw away elite talent on defense. I don’t care if he’s off the bench for tough assignments.


I completely agree. I just feel like people are more concerned with what is best for their favorite player (Suggs and Fultz) than what is best for the team.


The starting back court is still up in the air 100%.

Orlando definitely needs a floor general that can shoot as well as run a pnr offense with Paolo. They also need a high(er) volume shooting guard whether that be draft or overpaying FVV.
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Post#384 » by Rainwater » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:19 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Suggs stays.

You don’t throw away elite talent on defense. I don’t care if he’s off the bench for tough assignments.


I completely agree. I just feel like people are more concerned with what is best for their favorite player (Suggs and Fultz) than what is best for the team.


The starting back court is still up in the air 100%.

Orlando definitely needs a floor general that can shoot as well as run a pnr offense with Paolo. They also need a high(er) volume shooting guard whether that be draft or overpaying FVV.


Completely agree again. Although it may be a longer process, I am hoping they draft both positions in the draft. Don't know how I feel about overpaying for someone like FVV. It took a lot to convince myself to overpay for Poole, who I think is a better player, when that idea was being floated around.
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Post#385 » by fendilim » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:27 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Suggs stays.

You don’t throw away elite talent on defense. I don’t care if he’s off the bench for tough assignments.


I completely agree. I just feel like people are more concerned with what is best for their favorite player (Suggs and Fultz) than what is best for the team.


The starting back court is still up in the air 100%.

Orlando definitely needs a floor general that can shoot as well as run a pnr offense with Paolo. They also need a high(er) volume shooting guard whether that be draft or overpaying FVV.

Tbh, I dont think we need a floor general. We just need another playmaker who can be the 2nd (because Franz can be too passive) or 3rd option. We don’t need someone who’s gonna hog the ball from Paolo. Just someone who can breakdown the defense whenever Paolo or Franz isnt able to create.
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Post#386 » by pepe1991 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 6:15 am

fendilim wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
I completely agree. I just feel like people are more concerned with what is best for their favorite player (Suggs and Fultz) than what is best for the team.


The starting back court is still up in the air 100%.

Orlando definitely needs a floor general that can shoot as well as run a pnr offense with Paolo. They also need a high(er) volume shooting guard whether that be draft or overpaying FVV.

Tbh, I dont think we need a floor general. We just need another playmaker who can be the 2nd (because Franz can be too passive) or 3rd option. We don’t need someone who’s gonna hog the ball from Paolo. Just someone who can breakdown the defense whenever Paolo or Franz isnt able to create.


Tbh long term it's not bad idea to have player who will take some of usage away from Paolo. His efficiency today is held by nothing but ability to draw fouls. You would want him to become better offensive player all together, not just guy who's eFG (not impacted by FT rate) near 10% below league's average .
And one of easiest ways how to spike up his efficiency is simply have him play more as rolling big and cutter, opposite of love child of Carmelo Anthony- Demarcus Cousins- Randle 3way.
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Post#387 » by zaymon » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:27 am

Before Fultz return Banchero had 46 fg%, after his return he is below 40 fg%.
I wonder how its possible since Fultz is such a wonderful playmaker ?
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#388 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:07 am

It looks like the Raptors are buyers, not sellers.

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Post#389 » by yoyojw17 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 2:11 pm

zaymon wrote:Before Fultz return Banchero had 46 fg%, after his return he is below 40 fg%.
I wonder how its possible since Fultz is such a wonderful playmaker ?


Well.... if Banchero moved and found openings instead of waiting at the perimeter to get the ball to try and make something happen.... he would have better shots. Or he's hitting a rookie wall and there's no correlation. But... the best statistic is that we've been a winning team since fultz returned. ;-)
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Post#390 » by cedric76 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 2:18 pm

We lost because punks sold their tickets to knicks' fans
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Post#391 » by zaymon » Thu Feb 9, 2023 2:47 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
zaymon wrote:Before Fultz return Banchero had 46 fg%, after his return he is below 40 fg%.
I wonder how its possible since Fultz is such a wonderful playmaker ?


Well.... if Banchero moved and found openings instead of waiting at the perimeter to get the ball to try and make something happen.... he would have better shots. Or he's hitting a rookie wall and there's no correlation. But... the best statistic is that we've been a winning team since fultz returned. ;-)


He is hitting a wall consisting of Fultz defender.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#392 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 9, 2023 2:49 pm

zaymon wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
zaymon wrote:Before Fultz return Banchero had 46 fg%, after his return he is below 40 fg%.
I wonder how its possible since Fultz is such a wonderful playmaker ?


Well.... if Banchero moved and found openings instead of waiting at the perimeter to get the ball to try and make something happen.... he would have better shots. Or he's hitting a rookie wall and there's no correlation. But... the best statistic is that we've been a winning team since fultz returned. ;-)


He is hitting a wall consisting of Fultz defender.
He shot fine during the win streak. Franz had a 30-game stretch where he was 50/40/90.

It's pretty obvious. They just aren't making shots. I think we need to take a deeper look at the shooting percentages of Franz and Paolo since they've switched positions.



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Post#393 » by VFX » Thu Feb 9, 2023 2:59 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
fendilim wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
The starting back court is still up in the air 100%.

Orlando definitely needs a floor general that can shoot as well as run a pnr offense with Paolo. They also need a high(er) volume shooting guard whether that be draft or overpaying FVV.

Tbh, I dont think we need a floor general. We just need another playmaker who can be the 2nd (because Franz can be too passive) or 3rd option. We don’t need someone who’s gonna hog the ball from Paolo. Just someone who can breakdown the defense whenever Paolo or Franz isnt able to create.


Tbh long term it's not bad idea to have player who will take some of usage away from Paolo. His efficiency today is held by nothing but ability to draw fouls. You would want him to become better offensive player all together, not just guy who's eFG (not impacted by FT rate) near 10% below league's average .
And one of easiest ways how to spike up his efficiency is simply have him play more as rolling big and cutter, opposite of love child of Carmelo Anthony- Demarcus Cousins- Randle 3way.


There’s really no one in the guard rotation that can get him the ball in a half court set.

Earlier in the season Paolo would get the ball on the wing and try to iso guys to the basket. It just didn’t work well. This is why I don’t like the Carmelo comp, nor do I want that for him.

Paolo is going to be able to draw fouls and get to the rim easier with a guard that can open up the floor and get him the damn ball in a switch. Fultz and Cole are not those guys. They only really create offense for themselves.

So it’s not necessarily about taking volume away from Paolo. It’s more about getting a legitimate point guard that can make smart decisions with the ball on offense while highlighting Franz and Paolo. That also means being able to shoot off the dribble if guys go under/off a screen.

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