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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1721 » by Ell Curry » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:05 am

aminiaturebuddha wrote:Seems like there was a hell of a matchup last night between two guards who will likely be in our range - Cason Wallace and Anthony Black. Unfortunately I didn't seem to get it on anything I have (and was watching the Lebron chase) so I'll have to try to dig it up on the internet today somewhere.

Wallace looks to have had the better individual game (24-3-5 on 10-17 shooting, with 3 stls and 2 blks), but Anthony's Arkansas got the victory over Kentucky, and his boxscore is pretty good as well (19-4-5 on 8-15 shooting, with 5 stls and 1 blk).


Edit: Found a replay of the game online. I really like both guys, and the more I watch them, the more difficult it actually is for me to choose between them. It really depends on what a team is looking for. Wallace is the better shooter and defender (although Black is no slouch at that end either). Black is the better playmaker, ballhandler (Wallace can get too sloppy at times) and gets to the line more.

I'd be happy with either on the Raptors. They're not franchise changers, but I don't actually think anyone is, outside of the top two guys in this draft.


If we do nothing but trade OG (because he wants to at least seriously explore free agency if not leave) for picks or a young wing like Trey Murphy then the obvious move to go from treadmill bad to treadmill good is to draft a combo guard like that and move a first from the OG deal for Poeltl or another center:

Poeltl-Achiuwa-Koloko
Siakam-Achiuwa
Barnes-Murphy
Trent-Murphy-Wallace
VanVleet-Wallace

It would represent a massive bet on Barnes and Achiuwa, but now that we're seeing Achiuwa look like a solid 3rd big it seems reasonably likely.

And I guess there's still the possibility of Siakam + VanVleet for disgruntled superstar PG or SF down the line (Trae Young, KD and Ingram seem like the obvious names right now), we even have picks to make it work, or gamble on a buy low and worse fit type like Towns/Porzingis/Lavine/Beal and get a bunch of picks back if management wants to try to stay north of 40 wins and keep getting young talent

There were some troubling anonymous quotes this summer about Lamelo being a loser, but Charlotte is constantly in a tailspin and he might want to leave (if they don't get Wemby or even draft Scoot) once Bridges come back and he realizes that it's still like a 35 win team for the next few years. They might look at a VanVleet-Rozier-Bridges-Siakam-Mark Williams team with McDaniels, PJ Washington and a young guard in this coming draft (like Thompson, Wallace or Black if they don't pick top 2) as a serious improvement. OG as a piece in a Lamelo trade also makes sense in that he gets touches and they can tank for Scoot or Wemby to go with lots of young forwards/wings (OG, Bridges, Washington, McDaniels) which is presumably what those 2 guys need around them.
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Post#1722 » by Psubs » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:25 am

George with another ZERO assist night.

I want Cason and Hendricks now. Both shooting 40% from 3 and playing good defense as Freshman.
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Post#1723 » by Thaddy » Thu Feb 9, 2023 6:20 am

Psubs wrote:George with another ZERO assist night.

I want Cason and Hendricks now. Both shooting 40% from 3 and playing good defense as Freshman.

Cason is too undersized and looks like he'll be targeted on defense. I think Hendricks might rise out of our range but if he's there, you take him and it's a no brainer. Rim protection from your 2-guard while getting elite spacing is hard to get in this league.
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Post#1724 » by Mark_83 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 6:32 am

Psubs wrote:George with another ZERO assist night.

I want Cason and Hendricks now. Both shooting 40% from 3 and playing good defense as Freshman.

I want Miller and Cason or Miller and Hendricks but I'm greedy. :lol:
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Post#1725 » by Psubs » Thu Feb 9, 2023 7:00 am

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Psubs wrote:George with another ZERO assist night.

I want Cason and Hendricks now. Both shooting 40% from 3 and playing good defense as Freshman.

Cason is too undersized and looks like he'll be targeted on defense. I think Hendricks might rise out of our range but if he's there, you take him and it's a no brainer. Rim protection from your 2-guard while getting elite spacing is hard to get in this league.




Cason is undersized? He's 6'4 and can guard up to SF's. Look at the highlights of him jumping using verticality then swatting guys 6'6.



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Post#1726 » by S.W.A.N » Thu Feb 9, 2023 7:36 am

Time to start looking at mid lotto guys.

Terquavion Smith, Jett Howard, Dick... Shooting now has to be a priority for us.
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Post#1727 » by Ell Curry » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:35 am

S.W.A.N wrote:Time to start looking at mid lotto guys.

Terquavion Smith, Jett Howard, Dick... Shooting now has to be a priority for us.


Eh, odds are someone like George, Black, Smith or Wallace falls to us. My guess is George or Smith. Masai might prefer Whitehead or Dick though.
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Post#1728 » by Brinbe » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:41 am

Maxwell Lewis and Taylor Hendricks SZN upon us.

Kris Murray time!
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Post#1729 » by TorontoBarneys » Thu Feb 9, 2023 12:50 pm

New draft target if we go anti-tank: Anthony Black

Could trade up the draft and nab him in the summer. Wouldn't be a bad acquisition at all.
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Post#1730 » by Psubs » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:27 pm

Brinbe wrote:Maxwell Lewis and Taylor Hendricks SZN upon us.

Kris Murray time!


Raptors are looking late teens now. :( I think Hendricks and Murray are gone by then.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1731 » by Brinbe » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:29 pm

Psubs wrote:
Brinbe wrote:Maxwell Lewis and Taylor Hendricks SZN upon us.

Kris Murray time!


Raptors are looking late teens now. :( I think Hendricks and Murray are gone by then.

lol late teens!?

nah, we're at like 12-15 at best
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1732 » by will » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:30 pm

Top 6 protected, huh?
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Post#1733 » by Psubs » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:32 pm

Colby Jones as Malcolm Brogdon 2.0?
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Post#1734 » by grant101 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:20 am

Bummed we're left without a srp...sigh!

Interesting takeaway from Masai's presser: made a point to say that he wants the team to become an elite 3pt shooting team. First time I've heard him ay anything like that. Makes me think they might prioritize shooting this go round. Sensabaugh, Gradey, Jett, Murray, Max Lewis, Hendricks, Hawkins and Terquavion all might make sense then. Some interesting names there. Not completely sold on Lewis, and have concerns about Hawkins' size, but you could definitely make a case for the others.
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Post#1735 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:24 am

Psubs wrote:Colby Jones as Malcolm Brogdon 2.0?

Been saying this for a while.

Either Malcolm Brogdon or at worst, Josh Hart.

Jones has been on my short list of sleeper picks in the late first round. If he lands in the right spot and a team develops him, he could be one of the best value picks in the draft
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Post#1736 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:26 am

grant101 wrote:Bummed we're left without a srp...sigh!

Interesting takeaway from Masai's presser: made a point to say that he wants the team to become an elite 3pt shooting team. First time I've heard him ay anything like that. Makes me think they might prioritize shooting this go round. Sensabaugh, Gradey, Jett, Murray, Max Lewis, Hendricks, Hawkins and Terquavion all might make sense then. Some interesting names there. Not completely sold on Lewis, and have concerns about Hawkins' size, but you could definitely make a case for the others.


If I had to choose one from this group, I look at Jett. But I think Murray, Lewis and Terquavion could be very valuable pieces on the right team.

I'm coming around on Hendricks.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1737 » by Brinbe » Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:26 am

grant101 wrote:Bummed we're left without a srp...sigh!

Interesting takeaway from Masai's presser: made a point to say that he wants the team to become an elite 3pt shooting team. First time I've heard him ay anything like that. Makes me think they might prioritize shooting this go round. Sensabaugh, Gradey, Jett, Murray, Max Lewis, Hendricks, Hawkins and Terquavion all might make sense then. Some interesting names there. Not completely sold on Lewis, and have concerns about Hawkins' size, but you could definitely make a case for the others.

that seemed to make the most sense even if we stayed at 7-10 range. this team badly needs shooting. especially off-the-bench and right now the draft is our best way of getting more of it.

luckily for us there's a lot of interesting guys who could fill that need around where we'll be likely to pick.
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Post#1738 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:32 am

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grant101 wrote:Bummed we're left without a srp...sigh!

Interesting takeaway from Masai's presser: made a point to say that he wants the team to become an elite 3pt shooting team. First time I've heard him ay anything like that. Makes me think they might prioritize shooting this go round. Sensabaugh, Gradey, Jett, Murray, Max Lewis, Hendricks, Hawkins and Terquavion all might make sense then. Some interesting names there. Not completely sold on Lewis, and have concerns about Hawkins' size, but you could definitely make a case for the others.

that seemed to make the most sense even if we stayed at 7-10 range. this team badly needs shooting. especially off-the-bench and right now the draft is our best way of getting more of it.

luckily for us there's a lot of interesting guys who could fill that need around where we'll be likely to pick.


This was likely never in the cards but I wanted like 3 othe picks besides ours in this draft.

I'm very high on this crop. Not many superstars but has the potential to be a very, very deep group. Lots of talent here that I could see in an NBA rotation
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1739 » by Brinbe » Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:37 am

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grant101 wrote:Bummed we're left without a srp...sigh!

Interesting takeaway from Masai's presser: made a point to say that he wants the team to become an elite 3pt shooting team. First time I've heard him ay anything like that. Makes me think they might prioritize shooting this go round. Sensabaugh, Gradey, Jett, Murray, Max Lewis, Hendricks, Hawkins and Terquavion all might make sense then. Some interesting names there. Not completely sold on Lewis, and have concerns about Hawkins' size, but you could definitely make a case for the others.

that seemed to make the most sense even if we stayed at 7-10 range. this team badly needs shooting. especially off-the-bench and right now the draft is our best way of getting more of it.

luckily for us there's a lot of interesting guys who could fill that need around where we'll be likely to pick.


This was likely never in the cards but I wanted like 3 othe picks besides ours in this draft.

I'm very high on this crop. Not many superstars but has the potential to be a very, very deep group. Lots of talent here that I could see in an NBA rotation

yep, i agree. lots of talent in this draft. another pick or two would've gone a long way towards replenishing our awful depth. but they may still do something there depending on how the rest of this season and offseason shakes out.
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Post#1740 » by Mark_83 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:36 am

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