[Woj]: Durant to Suns

BuddyBuckets · Post #121 » by **BuddyBuckets** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:00 am

TheNetsFan wrote:Best offers for Crowder and Curry whom I expect to both be gone?

Royce and Harris could also get moved, but Marks has always believed in having veteran culture guys mixed in with youth.

Other wings like Yuta and DFS could also be made available for the right deal.

I want Patty Mills on the Pels, would be happy with Curry too

Crives · Post #122 » by **Crives** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:04 am

Crowder needs to end up on Mavs to make this series even more epic

Prospect Dong · Post #123 » by **Prospect Dong** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:31 am

Spin Move wrote:
jazzfan1971 wrote:So, probably not a popular opinion, but I'm not liking this for the Suns. They raised their floor, yes, but they really closed their window. They are now older, more vulnerable to injuries, and have traded off their future. If anything goes wrong they will have little ability to pivot.

And things often go wrong when you have a PG CP3s age and a superstar with Durant's injury history.

This just has the feel of another of those New Owner moves where they reach for a title right away.

That is fair, they paid a really high price for an older player and will still be owing picks 5 years from now after he is gone, but this season is more wide open then most, they need to find a way to get another wing, but if they can I really think they are the best team in the wast now.

Yeah, I had the pre-season price for Durant, at his age and with his baggage as Bridges and a couple of non-lotto picks. He's probably raised his value since then, on court and off, but you've also missed 2/3s of likely his best remaining season. I feel like this is a pretty clear overpay unless he ages like Lebron, health-wise. I think it's this year or bust for the suns...

Warriorfan · Post #124 » by **Warriorfan** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:35 am

Deal can blow up for PHX KD, CP3 older with injury history. Booker injured currently. Ayton at odds with mgmt

Post #125 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:22 am

Called it a long while ago. This is a good deal for both

Post #126 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:23 am

Texas Chuck wrote:this is why we never award paper champions. 12 months ago the Nets had 3 superstars. Now?

Also holy moley.

A few years before that they had a team lead by DLo and Dinwiddie.

Nets have turned nothing in to a ton.

hcsilla · Post #127 » by **hcsilla** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:46 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:So, probably not a popular opinion, but I'm not liking this for the Suns. They raised their floor, yes, but they really closed their window. They are now older, more vulnerable to injuries, and have traded off their future. If anything goes wrong they will have little ability to pivot.

And things often go wrong when you have a PG CP3s age and a superstar with Durant's injury history.

This just has the feel of another of those New Owner moves where they reach for a title right away.

I somewhat agree.

I always loved Durant but that's a bit too much, IMO. He is soon to be 35 and missed significant time in each of his last 3 seaons.

Losing Cam Johnson is painful, he is better than most of the fans of opposing teams think, he is (more than a 3P-shooter in offense and at least a capable defender, although he is not yet his older himself after surgery), but trading him for KD is OK.

Trading all the picks is OK too, 2023 and 2025 ones probably will become mid 20 ones, the latter ones are more valuable, but for Durant that's also a risk that you simply take.

Adding Bridges is where I question the whole transaction. I understand that he represents the core of the package for Brooklyn but he showed in recent months that he is much more than a 3&D player and his improvement is still counting.

His overall scoring, passing and ball-handling abilities improved so much lately, that even his defense started to decline a bit from being a lockdown defender transforming into a good/very good one (at least that's what eye-test suggest), which is an awkwardly good sign of your guy being not only a 1-way player anymore.

Including Bridges is a killer for me, and I do hope that Durant will help the Suns to win one or more rings (it is of course stil far away from being given), because otherwise that was simply a bad move that will not going to be paying-off.

Post #128 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:57 am

hcsilla wrote:
jazzfan1971 wrote:So, probably not a popular opinion, but I'm not liking this for the Suns. They raised their floor, yes, but they really closed their window. They are now older, more vulnerable to injuries, and have traded off their future. If anything goes wrong they will have little ability to pivot.

And things often go wrong when you have a PG CP3s age and a superstar with Durant's injury history.

This just has the feel of another of those New Owner moves where they reach for a title right away.

I somewhat agree.

I always loved Durant but that's a bit too much, IMO. He is soon to be 35 and missed significant time in each of his last 3 seaons.

Losing Cam Johnson is painful, he is better than most of the fans of opposing teams think, he is (more than a 3P-shooter in offense and at least a capable defender, although he is not yet his older himself after surgery), but trading him for KD is OK.

Trading all the picks is OK too, 2023 and 2025 ones probably will become mid 20 ones, the latter ones are more valuable, but for Durant that's also a risk that you simply take.

Adding Bridges is where I question the whole transaction. I understand that he represents the core of the package for Brooklyn but he showed in recent months that he is much more than a 3&D player and his improvement is still counting.

His overall scoring, passing and ball-handling abilities improved so much lately, that even his defense started to decline a bit from being a lockdown defender transforming into a good/very good one (at least that's what eye-test suggest), which is an awkwardly good sign of your guy being not only a 1-way player anymore.

Including Bridges is a killer for me, and I do hope that Durant will help the Suns to win one or more rings (it is of course stil far away from being given), because otherwise that was simply a bad move that will not going to be paying-off.

Yeah it's an overpay.

But Suns have tried last 2 seasons for a chip and look like they are sliding down hill. To win a championship you need a guy like KD. Suns should be favourite now.

1 in 30 years is a long term average of championships but it's even less than that when you realise some franchises have distinct advantages.

You have to take the chance when you can.

Post #129 » by **Slava** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:01 am

Nets have a surplus of wings now. If Cleveland cannot find a starting SF in this market and the Clippers cannot find a PG, they need to fire their GMs.

KuzControl · Post #130 » by **KuzControl** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:24 am

Hope the Lakers are after O’Neale to come off the bench

Not so much Crowder

Post #131 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:58 am

mademan wrote:Welcome back Leastern Conference

The Nets were a play-in team that got swept in the first round last year.

Post #132 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:01 am

Slava wrote:Nets have a surplus of wings now. If Cleveland cannot find a starting SF in this market and the Clippers cannot find a PG, they need to fire their GMs.

We need a team that has a lot of wings and values future cap space because that and seconds are what we have to offer.

eminence · Post #133 » by **eminence** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:14 am

I don't think Brooklyn particularly has to tank after this move, they've got a deep defense first team. Obviously a title is off the table, but this should be a pretty decent team as currently constructed.

Phoenix - very reasonable swing for the fences. It'll be either a homerun or a strikeout, with little margin between the two.

jayjaysee · Post #134 » by **jayjaysee** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:32 am

I kept saying you don’t trade players as good as KD and Brooklyn should retool.. But Bridges, Cam and all four picks.. that’s pretty insane.

GatorbaitDD · Post #135 » by **GatorbaitDD** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 12:24 pm

Giannis has to be the happiest guy around after this trade deadline

basketballwacko2 · Post #136 » by **basketballwacko2** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 1:44 pm

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And just like that the Nets super team is no more!

Suns gonna be sorry, giving up Cam and Bridges with 4 #1 picks for a 34 year old! Yikes. :crazy:

Post #137 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 1:46 pm

Are there any deals left for the Suns or are they just going to finish out the year with zero depth and rely on health and tight rotations? Yes that’s a loaded question

basketballwacko2 · Post #138 » by **basketballwacko2** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 1:51 pm

I said when the Nets traded for Harden that giving up all those picks to the Rockets was a long term mistake. If they tank now their picks go to Houston. How fast can the Nets retool, they get 4 picks from Phoenix, 23,25,27,29 and they have the Mavs 29. They all look to be late #1's but who knows about 5-7 years from now.

dcstanley · Post #139 » by **dcstanley** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 1:59 pm

tremendous value for the Nets. Suns needed to ask back for DFS or O'neale to make their team make sense.

hcsilla · Post #140 » by **hcsilla** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 2:06 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Are there any deals left for the Suns or are they just going to finish out the year with zero depth and rely on health and tight rotations? Yes that’s a loaded question

Answer is probably yes to the 1st question but the Suns have very limited trading options going forward.

They can move Saric, Shamet and Payne and that's it. It won't generate a helluva lot of interest.

Durant to Suns: Your take?