Knicks trade for Josh Hart

[moocow007]

So we did at least try for KD right? Right?

[ag3]

So we did at least try for KD right? Right?

I hope not. 4 1st round picks for a 35yr old injured player is ludicrous.

[mpharris36]

I'm saying we'll make the playoffs outright. 6th seed no play in. Of course that's if Hart's point of attack defense keeps up. I don't see many people scoring on McBride-IQ-Hart that's a torture chamber for anyone on a second unit league wide.

So then we would lose our pick

Yeah but it's worth it. It's like everyone forgets he was giving Portland 20 last year when they needed it. Sure he's scoring under 10 now but that's because he's one of those type of guys. Players that don't miss defensive rotations, play tough on ball, rebound ferociously, make all the right passes, and don't take bad shots are very rare in the modern NBA.

Hart as a player is fine. I was just referencing you said it was likely to be 4 2nd rounders when I was just confirming if you thought they would make the playoffs it would be a 1st round pick.

I still think the knicks don't make it past the 1st round as currently built but maybe they will surprise me. Its not like we got him for cheap. If the pick is a top 16-20 pick that is pretty good value for Portland..especially since hart can opt out next year.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Deeeez Knicks]

So we did at least try for KD right? Right?

Probably no way they would trade him to the Knicks anyway

[mpharris36]

So we did at least try for KD right? Right?

Probably no way they would trade him to the Knicks anyway

Yeah I wanted it to happen but unlikely they trade him to us and if stuff leaks that we were trying probably not good for the locker room that we were trying to ship a bunch of pieces out when realistically they were never sending him to MSG and potentially help us win a ring.

[moocow007]

Holy cow they just traded RJ.

[G_K_F]

Holy cow they just traded RJ.

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[moocow007]

Holy cow they just traded RJ.

Spoiler:

Psyche.

[G_K_F]

Holy cow they just traded RJ.

Spoiler:

Psyche.

Ban.

[mpharris36]

Holy cow they just traded RJ.

Spoiler:

Psyche.

oof that is wrong...

[moocow007]

Holy cow they just traded RJ.

Spoiler:

Psyche.

Ban.

[HopelessKnick]

:lol: We replaced Alec Burks on a smaller contract with Josh Hart on a likely bigger future contract and included a first round pick.

Anyone believing in the slightest that this front office has the slightest clue what they are doing is delusional...

Burks >>>> Hart

Knicks had to trade Burks to make room for Brunson signing.

Signing Brunson then adding his former teammate in Hart > keeping Burks & a trash PG.

Also, Hart is better than Burks.

Hart as a player is IMO worse than Burks. I know about the Brunson signing....just found it funny that after all the discussion of last season "free McBride", "free Quickley", "free Grimes" and "trade Burks" , "why are we playing veterans like Burks so many excessive minutes?" we are back to exactly the same situation: We now have a veteran that won't make the slightest difference in the outcome of the season but will take time away from the young players. We replaced Burks with a worse veteran---an undersized guard that can't shoot and is virtually worse than Burks in every aspect except rebounding--- and that guy is now gonna take time from a group of young players that was showing improvement all across the board. But luckily he will be only taking 5-6 minutes from Quickley and 5-6 minutes from Grimes.....pheeewwww lucky us....

[moocow007]

Holy cow they just traded RJ.

Spoiler:

Psyche.

oof that is wrong...

Sorry couldn't help it. While I do like Hart I was hoping for more.

[HEZI]

Is he saying $17mil per year? That sounds like a lot.

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They committed to mediocrity when they signed Mitchell Robinson to that contract so if they pay Josh Hart that much it won’t come as a surprise

That's about what he's worth. Y'all want to go from worst to first so bad. Like chill, considering what we gave to get Cam this is basically 2nd round picks and a 1st for Hart who is one of the best glue guys in the league (when Portland starts tumbling in the standings without him remember where you heard it first).

I agree he’s a great glue guy but we held on to assets so we don’t trade for a superstar just so we can trade those assets in smaller deals for glue guys and role players. Meh

[HopelessKnick]

Absolutely terrible terrible move. The other two "minor" moves of the night underline this FO's ineptitude. Let's break it down:

We trade for another undersized guard who will command major minutes and potentially disturb what was a nice balance between Brunson, McBride, Quickley and Grimes. Just when all 3 young player were playing solid and trending up, we bring another undersized guard in that will potentially mess things up. But worse than that--we essentially give up this year's first round draft pick, which projects to be in the 15-19 range for essentially a back-up role player that will force us to play a midget line-up of Brunson-Hart-Grimes at times. Absolutely idiotic. There is literally no way anyone in their right mind should trade a mid first round draft pick for a back-up guard struggling to get 10 points a night. Terrible!

Taking a look around the league on what teams acquired for a FRP:

Toronto filled a position of absolute need with a borderline top 10 Center and legitimate starter who gives you 13/10 in 28minutes for a protected 2024 FRP---so they essentially not only filled a position of absolute need, but also gave up a draft pick in a much weaker draft class while the Knicks acquired a bench player for a better draft choice. Idiotic, pure simply incompetence at play.

Lakers had a difficult choice to make because of the Lebron situation. Russell, Beasley and Vanderbilt are no world beaters at all, but for the Lakers they give them 2-3 starter. Assuming the Lakers will go with Russell-Beasley-Lebron-Vanderbilt-AD one can even argue that the Lakers got rid of Westbrook for 3 potential starters while surrendering one future FRP.

The idiot that Rose and the FO is we give up a valuable pick in one of the deepest draft in recent draft history for a 25 minute backup guard that can't shoot.

Yeah, not in favor of this move, especially for our 1st in a deep draft.
If there isn‘t a followup move to bring us some balance, then it is like a return to the past bad asset management.

Thibs influence here is slowly going to destroy us from acquiring solid young players.
And the day isn‘t over yet, maybe we can manage to get rid of more young players and draft picks for this year.

Knicks aren’t a team drafting more than 1 rookie. Just not that type of team.

You are right unfortunately....the Knicks are the type of team that pays a mid first round pick for a 8points/6rebounds backup, undersized guard....you know the type of team that has had no success for over 2 decades and is the worst or second worst team since Ewing.

[ohboy109]

So Brunson is a franchise player am I missing something what a joke this franchise is u have been okeydoked

[E-Balla]

So then we would lose our pick

Yeah but it's worth it. It's like everyone forgets he was giving Portland 20 last year when they needed it. Sure he's scoring under 10 now but that's because he's one of those type of guys. Players that don't miss defensive rotations, play tough on ball, rebound ferociously, make all the right passes, and don't take bad shots are very rare in the modern NBA.

Hart as a player is fine. I was just referencing you said it was likely to be 4 2nd rounders when I was just confirming if you thought they would make the playoffs it would be a 1st round pick.

I still think the knicks don't make it past the 1st round as currently built but maybe they will surprise me. Its not like we got him for cheap. If the pick is a top 16-20 pick that is pretty good value for Portland..especially since hart can opt out next year.

It depends on seeding. We've had Cleveland's number for example, unless playoffs Donny shows (and it's likely, so you're right we might get crushed) we should be the favorites there.

Also when we're healthy we are way better than when injured. Without Mitch we're not a top 10 defense but when he's in the lineup we're very good. To compare us to another team that's getting absurdly hyped, The Kings, our starting 5 has a +8.3 net rating. There's has a +5.1. Our biggest issue is Grimes and Mitch haven't been both in the lineup for long. We're 18-12 when they both start and as we both know a majority of those losses are close losses. The only issue we have is Thibs doesn't bench the guys that constantly choke and he plays lineups when we have big leads that immediately lose them and he doesn't care. Games where he leans on the hot hand are few and far between.

[mpharris36]

Yeah but it's worth it. It's like everyone forgets he was giving Portland 20 last year when they needed it. Sure he's scoring under 10 now but that's because he's one of those type of guys. Players that don't miss defensive rotations, play tough on ball, rebound ferociously, make all the right passes, and don't take bad shots are very rare in the modern NBA.

Hart as a player is fine. I was just referencing you said it was likely to be 4 2nd rounders when I was just confirming if you thought they would make the playoffs it would be a 1st round pick.

I still think the knicks don't make it past the 1st round as currently built but maybe they will surprise me. Its not like we got him for cheap. If the pick is a top 16-20 pick that is pretty good value for Portland..especially since hart can opt out next year.

It depends on seeding. We've had Cleveland's number for example, unless playoffs Donny shows (and it's likely, so you're right we might get crushed) we should be the favorites there.

Also when we're healthy we are way better than when injured. Without Mitch we're not a top 10 defense but when he's in the lineup we're very good. To compare us to another team that's getting absurdly hyped, The Kings, our starting 5 has a +8.3 net rating. There's has a +5.1. Our biggest issue is Grimes and Mitch haven't been both in the lineup for long. We're 18-12 when they both start and as we both know a majority of those losses are close losses. The only issue we have is Thibs doesn't bench the guys that constantly choke and he plays lineups when we have big leads that immediately lose them and he doesn't care. Games where he leans on the hot hand are few and far between.

I can't trust the knicks in the playoffs until I see Randle not completely melt down in the playoffs.

[DrCoach]

Terrible use of assets

That said i loved the reaction from Brunson

Now somebody call Jay Wright