Sixers trade deadline thread - Feb. 9th.

[Murray_17]

The Sixers have never lost because of their coach. They’ve lost either because their roster wasn’t good enough or because their best players were injured and/or came up small. Coaches don’t win and lose you championships in the NBA. Players do. No coach would have won a title with an injured Embiid last year.

If coaches don't matter why are you such a defender of doc? didn't you want us to resign him after the Heat series, just "to send a message"?

[spikeslovechild]

Honestly, they are stuck with each other because they aren't going to get better by trading him and are just going to be giving away major assets they are going to need down the line to make a big trade. If he bounces back or as his contract tolls and becomes closer to expiring the cost and calculus starts to make more sense to the Nets and other teams to do a deal.

Personally, I am surprised they didn't put Joe Harris in either deal. He has no minutes or a spot anymore and most of his contract for this season is paid for and he just has one year left. He is going to limit what they will be able to do in the offseason. Should have forced a team to take him now rather than move him in a separate deal

They have right now 7 picks and one swap to get rid of that Simmons contract plus all the depth they acquired. If the Nets are rebuilding, they can wait to trade Joe Harris Next season when he becomes an expiring.

They're gonna be fine.

That is why I am surprised he wasn't included in a deal. He isn't the complete albatross Simmons is his contract is just bad enough not to hold up a deal.

But yeah he doesn't have a spot on the roster moving forward so it's hard to see his value doing anything else but declining even if he becomes an expiring and paying him 18m next year is going to prevent them from doing certain things and help to fix the roster balance issues they have. They are not full rebuilding because they don't own their picks

[Murray_17]

That's true... but even though they've accumulated a lot of picks, but the question is after trading away their Big 3. Do you think Brooklyn's record/draft position in the next 5 seasons will be better or worse than the record/draft position of the team's who they now have first round picks (or swaps) with?

So basically
So
Phoenix 2023, 2025, 2027, 2028(swap option), 2029
Philly 2027 (top 8 protected)
Dallas 2029

vs
Brooklyn's record/draft position in
2023: Houston could swap with them if Brooklyn's pick is better
2024: Houston gets Brooklyn 1st(no protection)
2025: Houston can swap with Brooklyn
2026: Houston gets Brooklyn 1st(no protection)
2027: Houston can swap with Brooklyn

The caveat is the team still plays in NY and now has *A LOT* of future draft picks that they can use to chase a superstar as well. So it's not as if the roster they got now is going to be their regular rotation for next year and future years.

If you look at how Houston rebuilding is going i think those swaps are gonna stay with Brooklyn, more probably. Phoenix 2023 looks like it's gonna be in the 15-25 range. After that Durant is still on his prime but he's 35 years old and has been sidelined for more than a month the last 2 seasons whule having foot issues, CP3 is also clearly on the decline.

The 2025 pick is a maybe, but there is no way that by 2027 the Suns are still great.

You still make that trade 100 times if you're the Suns, but that's a small window.

[76Love]

I hope today is a good day for this organization

[Negrodamus]

Wow, big trade! TJ Warren back with the Suns.

[Stanford]

I hope today is a good day for this organization

It depends whether you expect them to trade 4 unprotected picks for a superstar or not.

[Kobblehead]

Wow, big trade! TJ Warren back with the Suns.

The floorboards inside the arc at Footprint Center arena audibly groaned at the sound of the news.

[Murray_17]

I would try to work a Thybulle/House/Korkmaz/Harell package for Thad/Mcdermott or Collins/Mcdermontt right now.

Not that of a needle mover but it give us several upgrades we need, guy who can actually play the 5 and move the ball and a shooter who can play off ball

[Kobblehead]

The problem with this market is that it seems like you can't do business without attaching a draft pick. Nobody seems interested in just exchanging players anymore. Hinkie, you son of a gun.

[Kobblehead]

It's why it's hard for me to blame Morey for not really being in the mix. All we have is the Hornets 2nd rounder.

The Bucks have been quiet on the trade front as well. And they only have a 2nd rounder projected late 50s. If you don't have a 1st rounder to move, teams aren't even going to field your phone call.

[Sam Hinkie]

The problem with this market is that it seems like you can't do business without attaching a draft pick. Nobody seems interested in just exchanging players anymore. Hinkie, you son of a gun.

Hinkie was obviously right about almost everything. Except trusting ownership. Surplus value comes from rookie years and/or obvious max players. All other players are basically paid their market value. And getting an edge on the market in the NBA is nearly impossible.

Of course, player allocation still matters, you need to optimize for fit, but the real value comes from players on rookie contracts and obvious max players. Desmond Bane being an example of the former and Kevin Durant being an example of the latter. Of course the latter is by far the most important.

People dismiss the value of draft picks. 72% of the time the guy is out of the league in two years! Yeah, no ****. You are looking for the 1-2% outcomes that turn into a player that completely changes the franchise. Even a fringe All-Star doesn't matter that much.

Hinkie was always right. Whatz he doin draftin' four centers! What an idiot. Who **** cares about fit? Get the big rocks in first because that's 98% of the game.

Draft picks are the best shot at a big rock even if it's very unlikely. That's why you want to hoard unprotected firsts.

[Da Doctor]

[Ferry Avenue]

Tyrese Maxey should be traded today.

If this franchise has a brief window for winning a championship, consisting of the remaining prime years of Harden and Embiid, the team has to make a move today to enhance the surrounding cast. Last night's performance was a glimpse of what's going to happen once again in the second round of the playoffs -- the inability to win on the road. And if the team doesn't have home-court advantage, which as of now it won't, the team's season will stall at that point like usual.

Maxey's role this year should've expanded to include being a closer in the clutch -- a player who gets the ball at those times and is expected to score and win games. Not only is he not functioning in that capacity, but in some cases he's not even on the floor at those times.

If that's how Maxey is going to function for this team, that means he's reached his ceiling as a player for this organization, and given its roster construction at present, he should be traded today. He's the one player the team has who can generate the return necessary to get the team over the second-round playoff hump.

If Maxey's not going to be that player for you -- and based on his current usage he is not -- then he should be traded for someone who can function in that manner.

[Slacktard]

Being a Sixer fan is like being President lol

[Kobblehead]

At this point, the most reasonable trade that I think we can make to "upgrade" our playoff rotation is something like

Daniel House
Furkan Korkmaz
Hornets 2nd rounder

for

Alec Burks

And Burks supplants Milton in the playoff rotation because he's a higher volume shooter.

[Stanford]

The problem with this market is that it seems like you can't do business without attaching a draft pick. Nobody seems interested in just exchanging players anymore. Hinkie, you son of a gun.

The Morey fraud people really think he could have just winked in Brooklyn's direction and got Durant for Maxey and Tobias.

[Negrodamus]

I think we will trade, but the expectations should be tempered. Thybulle will likely go and we're also trying to shed salary for luxury tax reasons.

[Ferry Avenue]

The team should be looking at something like this:

https://phillysportsnetwork.com/2023/01/31/mock-trade-sixers-tyrese-maxey/

[GoSixersBro]

Nets have like a millions wings, all of them great.

I want DFS here.

[Murray_17]

I think we will trade, but the expectations should be tempered. Thybulle will likely go and we're also trying to shed salary for luxury tax reasons.

Which is why i think our more likely trade partner is the Spurs, they want to increase their salary and we want to cut it.