2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II

[Skybox]

I'd really like them to address the backcourt by acquiring a long-term starter at either spot today, but I just don't think the front office sees it the same way I do.

Does Bamba for Kennard excite you?





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Yes...but only because we are not the Miami Heat FO (it's all relative, he's not cash considerations after all)

I think it would be really cool to trade for an actual basketball player

[eyriq]

I'd really like them to address the backcourt by acquiring a long-term starter at either spot today, but I just don't think the front office sees it the same way I do.

The alternative is to leave those gaps open to allow rookie contracts to grow into those roles. Addressing our backcourt issue with rookie contracts is our highest ceiling option. Given we have Suggs and two probable lottery picks this summer our highest ceiling scenario is to not bring in a solid starter and instead provide growth space for our rookie contracts.

Its not a strong draft. We will be investing in another medium ceiling project while Wagner and Banchero are ready to win ? Wagner will be well into his extension when our draftee will or will not be ready to.win.
I dont think pick outside top 2 will have more ceiling than veteran acquisition. Odds are against young players, few become good.

My first thought to this is that Wagner and Banchero might be a top 16 duo next season, and I think I'd expect them to be a top 5 duo 3 seasons from now. Plenty of time to invest in two more lottery tickets.

My second thought is that veteran starters are not upside acquisitions, while lottery picks are high upside assets, so the higher ceiling goes to lottery picks. I guess we'll agree to disagree about that but it seems odd to dispute.

My third thought is that the draft being weak outside the top two isn't a mainstream view. Not sure that is how our front office sees it

[Orl_Magic]

We are playing Denver today just swap Hyland for T ross and give their first.

[eyriq]

I'd really like them to address the backcourt by acquiring a long-term starter at either spot today, but I just don't think the front office sees it the same way I do.

The alternative is to leave those gaps open to allow rookie contracts to grow into those roles. Addressing our backcourt issue with rookie contracts is our highest ceiling option. Given we have Suggs and two probable lottery picks this summer our highest ceiling scenario is to not bring in a solid starter and instead provide growth space for our rookie contracts.

This is putting a lot of faith into both internal improvement and hitting on draft picks.

I also question what the point of building up a cache of cap space/cap flexibility/moveable assets even is if there's not a willingness to cash them in when the opportunity arises.

Yeah, it puts faith in internal improvement and hitting on draft picks. I suspect the front office has faith in their recent talent acquisitions, their ability to scout talent, and their ability to develop talent.

I don't think you need to cash in at this deadline. Wait and see how the season pans out and what our draft position is and go from there.

[jezzerinho]

At the midseason deadline, you have the benefit of urgency on the part of teams needing to improve for the run-in. Plus you have the need of teams deciding to tank or clear cap to get rid of players.

In the off-season, all the same players are in all the same teams, but the urgency to do anything dissipates completely and so the market is more fairly valued.

Now is the time to profit from the errors or pecadillos of others.

Go screw some impatient FOs.

Talk of cashing implies putting all the chips on the table. Not necessary with a third or a half of our pot we could pull off some pretty cool player deals potentially.

[Magic#1]

I'd really like them to address the backcourt by acquiring a long-term starter at either spot today, but I just don't think the front office sees it the same way I do.

The alternative is to leave those gaps open to allow rookie contracts to grow into those roles. Addressing our backcourt issue with rookie contracts is our highest ceiling option. Given we have Suggs and two probable lottery picks this summer our highest ceiling scenario is to not bring in a solid starter and instead provide growth space for our rookie contracts.

Its not a strong draft. We will be investing in another medium ceiling project while Wagner and Banchero are ready to win ? Wagner will be well into his extension when our draftee will or will not be ready to.win.
I dont think pick outside top 2 will have more ceiling than veteran acquisition. Odds are against young players, few become good.

Huh? Where did you get that from? This draft is being talked about as being the deepest in awhile. Even outside of Scoot and Wemby there are some potential all-star level talents. We might have two opportunities to get a player like that this year. Paolo is in his rookie year. Franz is in his second. As good as they are, they're not Lebron. Our window to be a legit contender is in about five years. It took the Bucks and Giannis several years to get there. It took Curry and the Dubs a long time. Doncic is generational and hasn't gotten there. We're still in asset-building mode for this year. Depending on how the draft goes, next year is the year to try to get into the playoffs and be competitive. Solid starters and fill ins are what happens AFTER you have your core. We're not there yet. We're close, but we're not there.

[Nyce_1]

anyone except Paolo/Franz for Mikal.

I'd start with our 2 picks this year (top 2 protect our own), next year swap, PG of their choice + Bamba.

[jezzerinho]

The alternative is to leave those gaps open to allow rookie contracts to grow into those roles. Addressing our backcourt issue with rookie contracts is our highest ceiling option. Given we have Suggs and two probable lottery picks this summer our highest ceiling scenario is to not bring in a solid starter and instead provide growth space for our rookie contracts.

Its not a strong draft. We will be investing in another medium ceiling project while Wagner and Banchero are ready to win ? Wagner will be well into his extension when our draftee will or will not be ready to.win.
I dont think pick outside top 2 will have more ceiling than veteran acquisition. Odds are against young players, few become good.

Huh? Where did you get that from? This draft is being talked about as being the deepest in awhile. Even outside of Scoot and Wemby there are some potential all-star level talents. We might have two opportunities to get a player like that this year. Paolo is in his rookie year. Franz is in his second. As good as they are, they're not Lebron. Our window to be a legit contender is in about five years. It took the Bucks and Giannis several years to get there. It took Curry and the Dubs a long time. Doncic is generational and hasn't gotten there. We're still in asset-building mode for this year. Depending on how the draft goes, next year is the year to try to get into the playoffs and be competitive. Solid starters and fill ins are what happens AFTER you have your core. We're not there yet. We're close, but we're not there.

Because PG and Center are typically the positions that young players need most time to learn NBA basketball. PGs are learning BBIQ, with far less transition ball, much more pnr, very different defenses with better athletes... Centers need time to physically develop and many come in from college only dominating one side of the ball.

The other positions have learning curves too, but its more common to see wings and forwards make early contributions. For guards and bigs, it's often 2 or more years before they start to mature.

[BlueBalls]

Can anyone tell me why we’d trade for Luke Kennard when we already have Gary Harris? They’re almost the same age, Harris is a more well-rounded player and is a great fit with the team. I’m not against trading Harris. I’m trying to understand why we’d give up anything to take Luke Kennard. I don’t see the fit unless they deal other players.

Heck, Ross is a little older, but he’s comparable.

[eyriq]

I think our big splash will come out of our decision between Fultz/Cole/Suggs. Or we reclassify Suggs as an undersized swing-man or our starting shooting guard.

Edit: Another friction point is between Bol and Isaac. Isaac is a starter quality forward already and Bol still has a ton of upside as a forward.

Double edit: another issue is Moe Wagner as the backup center. We need a power center in the rotation.

I think all these issues get ironed out in the offseason.

[MagicHolland]

I’d go all in on Bridges. Bulls pick, Denver pick, our pick top 2 protected, future pick, bol, Cole whatever..

[jonbob17]

In all this it's lost why nba is played. For championships.
And imo, somewhere between fans and internet and forums that fact has been lost.
Now fans only care about "who's future looks brighter" despite fact vast majority of "bright futures " go nowhere.

And-1

This is a great trade for the Nets as the haul is large. And the Suns will probably be horrible in 2027.

But for the Suns, it's kind of like the Raptors in 2018/19. Yes losing DeRozan to gain Leonard was foolish from an asset management perspective, but, the team won the Championship. That makes it all worth it, no matter what comes after.

What is relevant is that Orlando is actually not far off from needing to push the chips All-in. I would say the 2024 off-season for the 2024/25 season is it for this team. The roster needs to be set between now and opening night in two years time. That's all the time management has to create its ideal roster. That's it.

Win now. Tomorrow is not relevant.



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But aren't you saying that we need to push all our chips during the 2024 off season? Shouldn't we be trying to acquire the most valuable chips ahead of that event?

I'd argue we have much more time than that. Look at the Suns their core was Booker and Bridges(maybe he's more of a 3rd best player on a good team). At any rate...they are both 26. SO if the bright future suns are example. Their championship window will be played during bookers prime years 26-28.

Franz (21) and Paolo (20) and Suggs (21). Their peak years are half a decade away.

Now I am not saying we wait until their peak years, I tend to agree with being ready to compete for the 24-25 NBA season.

I guess my point is winning 12 more games this season does nothing to help us in 24-25...getting good draft picks in this draft, on the other hand, ABSOLUTELY does.

[jonbob17]

Can anyone tell me why we’d trade for Luke Kennard when we already have Gary Harris? They’re almost the same age, Harris is a more well-rounded player and is a great fit with the team. I’m not against trading Harris. I’m trying to understand why we’d give up anything to take Luke Kennard. I don’t see the fit unless they deal other players.

Heck, Ross is a little older, but he’s comparable.

i am by no means a Luke Kennard die hard, but I will speculate...Kennard is a better shooter. His 3 point shooting is 44.6, 44.9, and 44.7 the last three years. That's not only incredibly consistent, but those are kind of all time good three point percentages, on decent volume. 95% from the FT line this year 19 out of 20 free throws...insane

This fanbase is desperate for shooting, and I'd say Kennard is up there with the Curry brothers for best shooter in the league. Harris is having a good year, Kennard is at a far higher level...Personally i just want to move Harris to open up minutes for the young guys, long-term I think we have to do better than Kennard or Harris, and get a 2 guard that plays great D and is a good shooter (38%+)

[OrlChamps2030]

Same, and I think we have the assets to get him

Bamba+Cole+RJ+ Chi 2023 + Den FRP+ many 2RP for Bridges


Fultz,suggs
Bridges,harris,houstan
Franz,bridges,bol
PB,JI,Chuma
WCJ,Moe,JI


Plus 2023 draft pick
+ Free agency

I think Bridges is worth sending all those picks away

Other than the Bulls’ pick that’s just a bunch of loose change.. Bridges is probably the best 3&D wing in the league it would take a better deal than that

I dont think we can offer 3 FRP for him, 2 FRP+ many 2RP + cole+bamba is already a LOT

2RPs don’t mean much. Bamba has no value. Cole is a decent bench player I don’t think he means a lot to Brooklyn. There are 28 other teams in the league that could offer similar packages - you need to give up value to get value.

Maybe something based around

Suggs
Bamba
Worst of Bulls/Magic pick (add protections to the Magic pick?)
Denver pick

Regardless, since Brooklyn can’t tank I expect them to just finish the season out with Bridges. It wouldn’t surprise me if he shows another level to his offensive game when he is more featured

[Nyce_1]

never would've imagined having the chance to get Mikal. to be this close (if his perceived availability is true), you hope our FO view his fit the same as us, and willing to go shopping to buy him.

[Airgordon00]

I am all aboard the mikal bridges train. He is a perfect fit next to paolo and Franz. Maybe one of the best 3 and D guys in the league signed long term. Plus he is only 26. He doesn’t require a lot of plays called for him. He can guard 1-4. We could put together better offers than most teams.

We could trade Ross, bamba, bol, better of ours or bulls pick (top 2 protection on ours and top 4 protection on bulls) , Den 25 (top 5) protection, and our 25 first top 3 protected.

Our team would look like:
Fultz, Anthony/Suggs
Bridges, Suggs/Harris
Franz, Houstan
Paolo, Isaac, chuma
Carter, Moe

We would have a ton of flexibility with our lineups and still allow Paolo and Franz to reach their full potential by allowing them to lead the team.

[cedric76]

i think most contenders will now try to get OG and Bridges, so I m pretty sure those 2 guys will be very expensive

also,I think our offers will look better during the draft

[yoyojw17]

Mikal gives me a baby t-mac kinda vibes. not specifically talent wise.... but... comes here and takes his game to another level. THough he already started that uptick in the last months.

[D J C]

I present another scenario that will never happen:

Swing for the fences and bet on Franz + Paolo being superstars

Mikal + Cam Johnson for Suggs, Bamba, Bol, Ross, Chicago pick, '24 ORL 1st, '25 DEN 1st
S&T for FVV this offseason, trade pick #7 to Utah for #12 + #17, draft NSJ/Black + Ware/Lively/Filipowski

FVV | Fultz | NSJ
Mikal | Harris | NSJ
Franz | Cam Johnson | Houstan
Paolo | Isaac | Chuma
WCJ | Moe | Ware

Both lineups balanced with shooting (three above average 3pt shooters in the SL, two top C&S players on the bench) and defense, and bench players that could fill in as starters, and develop guys like NSJ and Ware as potential starters down the line

[tooler]

Can we still sign FVV if we trade for Bridges? Otherwise we still need a long term answer at PG.