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Poll - Yak deal. Good or bad. Top 6 protected 2024-26

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Good, bad, or abyssal

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Bad
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Abysmal
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Post#21 » by brownbobcat » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:38 pm

Duffman100 wrote:I don't like this. Light protection on the 2024 pick after our team has been incredibly meh this year. Losing a 38th-45th second rounder that could have added depth to our much needed bench.

They MUST have a silent shake hand agreement with Poeltl that he's resigning.

Even if he does, there's no chance it's under $15M/yr - I don't know what the hell the FO is thinking. This team is not in the phase to be trading away picks.
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Post#22 » by Duffman100 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:39 pm

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Duffman100 wrote:I don't like this. Light protection on the 2024 pick after our team has been incredibly meh this year. Losing a 38th-45th second rounder that could have added depth to our much needed bench.

They MUST have a silent shake hand agreement with Poeltl that he's resigning.


Well they have bird rights so I am sure they will pay the man his money. Should they spend a large portion of their cap on Purtle? probably not.


I really like Poeltl. Good rim defensive numbers (not this year, but the previous 2). 3+ assists from a big man is great. Great screen setter. Incredibly smart. Great finisher (especially for those easy Scottie buckets. He's going to infuse that ball movement back into our lineup.

I would have felt better at top 10-14 protected, at least for that first year. And not THIS years 2nd rounder. We need as much talent flowing into our bench as possible.
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Post#23 » by Boardbreaker » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:40 pm

Duffman100 wrote:I don't like this. Light protection on the 2024 pick after our team has been incredibly meh this year. Losing a 38th-45th second rounder that could have added depth to our much needed bench.

They MUST have a silent shake hand agreement with Poeltl that he's resigning.

The light protection signals to me they’re confident poeltl is back and probably have good idea whether they’re retaining or trading one or both of Fred and Gary.
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Post#24 » by Thaddy » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:41 pm

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artsncrafts wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:I don't like this. Light protection on the 2024 pick after our team has been incredibly meh this year. Losing a 38th-45th second rounder that could have added depth to our much needed bench.

They MUST have a silent shake hand agreement with Poeltl that he's resigning.


Well they have bird rights so I am sure they will pay the man his money. Should they spend a large portion of their cap on Purtle? probably not.


I really like Poeltl. Good rim defensive numbers (not this year, but the previous 2). 3+ assists from a big man is great. Great screen setter. Incredibly smart. Great finisher (especially for those easy Scottie buckets. He's going to infuse that ball movement back into our lineup.

I would have felt better at top 10-14 protected, at least for that first year. And not THIS years 2nd rounder. We need as much talent flowing into our bench as possible.

Maybe he can shutdown Walker Kessler so we don't have to go down memory lane again.
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Post#25 » by bboyskinnylegs » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:41 pm

so we're betting on us being a playoff team next season. Let's see what today has in store.
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Post#26 » by BBS22 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:43 pm

Terrible. Pending UFA who likely would have come to us regardless (or a sign and trade).
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Post#27 » by pingpongrac » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:44 pm

I like that we only had to give up Birch from our current players for a legit starting C in Poeltl. That is a big win. I'm not a fan of how lightly protected the '24 1st pick is while the '23 2nd could end up being in the 35-40 range too. It's more than likely we go on a bit of a run to close out this season and finish with 42-45 wins which probably places us right around the middle of the pack then we win 45+ games next season, but there are a lot of variables in play and this could end poorly for us.

I wouldn't classify it as good, but it's not as bad as it seems either. It looks worse now because of how we've played this season and it's natural to think we're going to be floating around 35-40 wins again next season then our pick is in the 7-14 range in the 2024 draft, but the chances of us playing better (both this year and next) to make those picks worse is more likely.

I'd grade this trade a C right now.
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Post#28 » by Thaddy » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:44 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:so we're betting on us being a playoff team next season. Let's see what today has in store.

If we dump Boucher for an expiring would that keep us under the luxury tax if we re-sign everyone and starting trading away pieces after this season? I really doubt Trent re-signs with us as a sixth man, he's after a starting role and we can't put OG (reported unhappy several times) on the bench, nor does putting Barnes, Poeltl, or Fred on the bench make sense.
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Post#29 » by AbC? » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:45 pm

1-6 protection is simply inexcusable. I don't care if they expect to be the best team next season, they simply can't be that light for a freaking role player that you have to re-sign. Sh*t happens in this league and you've opened yourself up to huge risk, and you've lost all flexibility to change direction, all for a decent role player.

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He may also be not be that good anymore, as evidenced by his defensive metrics and how trash he looked against us.

Also the 1-6 protection rolls over if the pick doesn't convey, meaning you've lost flexibility to trade future picks too.

Then there's the whole question of why TF is a 10th place team making win-now roster moves in the first place. Won't even get into that as it's been beaten to death.
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Post#30 » by bape_lovers » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:46 pm

Masai and Co is banking Scottie takes the next step.

AbC? wrote:1-6 protection is simply inexcusable. I don't care if they think expect to be the best team next season, they simply can't be that light for a freaking role player that you have to re-sign. Sh*t happens in this league and you've opened yourself up to huge risk, and you've lost all flexibility to change direction, all for a decent role player.

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He may also be not be that good anymore, as evidenced by his defensive metrics and how trash he looked against us.

Also the 1-6 protection rolls over if the pick doesn't convey, meaning you've lost flexibility to trade future picks too.

Then there's the whole question of why TF is a 10th place team making win-now roster moves in the first place. Won't even get into that as it's been beaten to death.
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Post#31 » by Thaddy » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:46 pm

BBS22 wrote:Terrible. Pending UFA who likely would have come to us regardless (or a sign and trade).

We had to trade for him there was no chance we'd get him through S&T considering our cap situation and the pieces the Spurs want. The top 6 protection is a nice illusion that the Spurs can hold on to. We're currently a borderline lottery team. But the Nets have turned back into the Nyets and we filled our biggest hole. It's a B+ trade from my persepective.
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Post#32 » by Andrew_M08 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:46 pm

Trade was bad to begin with. The light protection makes it abysmal imo
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Post#33 » by aminiaturebuddha » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:47 pm

I was really hoping for at least a top 10 protection, if not lottery, so at the moment I don't really like it.

However, I'll withhold final judgement until I see how it plays out. If they re-sign Poeltl to a reasonable deal (maybe 15-16 range?), and the pick ends up transfering next year but it's in the 15-20 range, I won't be as disappointed. A mid-to-late 1st round pick and two 2nds would be fair value for a cost controlled solid rotation center.

So we'll see. If they end up re-signing him to something silly like $22 million a year, and the pick ends up in the 7-10 range, that would be a disaster.
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Post#34 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:47 pm

Oh wow the protection is very light. Not a huge fan of that.
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Post#35 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:48 pm

Voted bad but personally feel more neutral on it.
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Post#36 » by Lord Eder » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:49 pm

As it stands it doesn't seem great. But, it's clear the signal is to get back into playoff basketball. So I assume it's unlikely the pick will be conveyed in the lottery unless something terrible goes wrong. I thought this team over achieved last year, but I believe we're better than we have been this year also. Poeltl fills a need and makes us better. Team just needs to find that juice again.

We'll see what else we do, I don't think we're done.
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Post#37 » by Steelo Green » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:51 pm

What is the point of playoff basketball on a team that is a first round exit for the next 2-3 years.
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Post#38 » by Jadoogar » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:52 pm

Kordic27 wrote:I don't get it. What's the strategy here? Do management really feel like this core is competitive or can grow into something competitive?


This is the real issue. The trade in a vacuum is ok. A mid first for a starting center is fine value. But does it make sense for THIS team? Not in my view, i don't think Poeltl will propel this team into the playoffs. Plus we already have so many expiring/near expiring contracts and several players whose values will never be higher. The smart thing to do would have been to reset or go all in on a star like KD.
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Post#39 » by baller16 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:52 pm

Absolute dog s*** trade. Wheres the fit with Siakam/Barnes/Poetl? Just an absolute disaster of a trade. We're the only team dumb enough to give up a 1st, otherwise Poetl would've been traded weeks ago to someone else.
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Post#40 » by Martin1465 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 3:53 pm

You've got to be $%#$&^% kidding me!
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