2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread II

[pepe1991]

I think our big splash will come out of our decision between Fultz/Cole/Suggs. Or we reclassify Suggs as an undersized swing-man or our starting shooting guard.

Edit: Another friction point is between Bol and Isaac. Isaac is a starter quality forward already and Bol still has a ton of upside as a forward.

Double edit: another issue is Moe Wagner as the backup center. We need a power center in the rotation.

I think all these issues get ironed out in the offseason.

League today is frenzy. They are stuck in 1995 and their "buidling roster ways".

Just compare Magic and Lakers. One team menaged to build championship roster in 2010 ( Magic blew up in 2011), tank, rebuild, fail rebuild, get Lebron, trade for Davis, win championship, f****it all up, and now retooled whole roster in team nobody wants to play againt in playoffs... In mean time... Magic... rebuild... rebuild.... did i mentioned Rebuild?

You do realize that small markets have to draft their superstar players right?

Having Lebron walk through the front door changes everything they do.

Milwaukee also doesn’t win a championship without drafting Giannis.

Philly is nowhere without Embiid .

Boston doesn’t make the ECF without drafting Tatum and Brown.

It’s also a double edged sword. Brooklyn is in shambles now after attempting to build a super team this way. Clippers also mortgaged their future and will be considered failures if they don’t win.

I find it hilarious these teams are trading 3-4 first round picks to lose in the second round of the playoffs for the next 3 seasons. How will they even get better if they fail? By trading bad assets for worse picks and players? Why? Because the Warriors blueprint is so unattainable despite being the last great dynasty.

Opposite of Kings, Wolves, Magic, Pistons spending 15 years in lottery to... never even pass first round of playoffs in that span?

You don't have to draft star, you might as well get one in trade.
Did Heat drafted Butler? They did draft Adebayo, but guy was 14th overall pick.
Giannis was what? 14-15 th pick , after Bucks spend 10 years sucking for wrong players.
Nuggets drafted their guy in second round.
Memphis went for playoffs and...drafted Morant. Ditto to pick that turned into Zion.

Nobody asks you to trade unprotected first round picks for Evan Fournier type player, but who was last player, drafted in top 3 , that lead team to championship? Wade drafted 2 decades ago?
Honestlly i can't name anybody else.

Mostly because once you DO draft well, it will take way more to build contender than just keep sucking for more picks , Witch seems to be exect rout Magic are heading. There is 0% chance that Magic are adding 2 first round draft picks , play them and are anyhing more than playin team.

[eyriq]

If you think you have your #1 and #2 options moving forward (Paolo/Franz) then giving a big chunk of draft capital makes sense. If you still don't think you have the #1/#2 guys then you probably are better of holding the FRP's and continue to take swings at it.

I think you can have the view that Paolo and Franz are #1/#2 guys and still try and fill out the rest of the roster with lottery talent you develop. We have known quantities i.e., solid starters and role players, in WCJ, Isaac, Fultz, Harris, and Moe already.

[fendilim]

What a boring snoring drowsing deadline for the team

I mean you aren't wrong but are you surprised?

I guess something can still happen. I have a strong suspicion that the FO is out to lunch and not rushing to make a deal happen.

Well, the team has been trying to trade ross for 3 years now. I’ll be shocked if we dont get anything for him.

[Magic_Kingdom]

If the Magic don’t do something at the deadline to address the complete dumpster-fire that is their backcourt, then they’re not really looking to improve. It will not be fixed though the draft. It’s time for Welt to stop stockpiling picks and actually try to build a cohesive team.

[magicfan217]

If you think you have your #1 and #2 options moving forward (Paolo/Franz) then giving a big chunk of draft capital makes sense. If you still don't think you have the #1/#2 guys then you probably are better of holding the FRP's and continue to take swings at it.

I think you can have the view that Paolo and Franz are #1/#2 guys and still try and fill out the rest of the roster lottery talent you develop. We have known quantities that after solid starters and role players in WCJ, Isaac, Fultz, Harris, and Moe already.

I think you run the risk of trying to develop TOO many guys...especially when #1 and #2 also still have a ton of development to do themselves. Getting a Mikal Bridges NOW for those picks probably does make sense. Gives you a better chance to compete and keep Franz and Paolo + gives them a better environment to develop in.

it's all a moot point if the nets really have no intention of moving him.

[JoshuaPotter]

If you think you have your #1 and #2 options moving forward (Paolo/Franz) then giving a big chunk of draft capital makes sense. If you still don't think you have the #1/#2 guys then you probably are better of holding the FRP's and continue to take swings at it.

I think you can have the view that Paolo and Franz are #1/#2 guys and still try and fill out the rest of the roster lottery talent you develop. We have known quantities that after solid starters and role players in WCJ, Isaac, Fultz, Harris, and Moe already.

Here is the thing. Franz and Paolo don't necessarily have to be 1# 2# respectively. They are both playing like solid #2 options today IMHO. Which if we fill out the roster we may not "need" a no 1 options in the sense that one averages 29 the other averages 22 ect.

I am hanging my hat on the idea that Franz or Paolo become legit no 1 options for us though. There is plenty of room to draft a no 2-3 scorer or any number of key pieces. See our "G" situation.

I also wouldn't mind an upgrade in center but overall I think WCJ/Mo Wagner (playing off position) and even Isaac in spot minutes shores that area up good enough that I am not worried about it. At this rate, Bamba might even be our "insurance policy".

[Howard Mass]

Lots of time left.

You never know what can happen.

at worse, I expect Ross and Hampton to be bought and at least Kevon Harris Converted if nothing happens.

[magicfan217]

If the Magic don’t do something at the deadline to address the complete dumpster-fire that is their backcourt, then they’re not really looking to improve. It will not be fixed though the draft. It’s time for Welt to stop stockpiling picks and actually try to build a cohesive team.

Fultz/Harris/Cole/Suggs is not a complete dumpster fire.

[BlueBalls]

If the Magic don’t do something at the deadline to address the complete dumpster-fire that is their backcourt, then they’re not really looking to improve. It will not be fixed though the draft. It’s time for Welt to stop stockpiling picks and actually try to build a cohesive team.

Fultz/Harris/Cole/Suggs is not a complete dumpster fire.

Not even close.

[JoshuaPotter]

What a boring snoring drowsing deadline for the team

I mean you aren't wrong but are you surprised?

I guess something can still happen. I have a strong suspicion that the FO is out to lunch and not rushing to make a deal happen.

Well, the team has been trying to trade ross for 3 years now. I’ll be shocked if we dont get anything for him.

Is that an actual statement from the FO or is that just groupthink that we on the forum tend to regurgitate?

[basketballRob]

Pacers waiving Goga

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[BlueBalls]

Jae Crowder to MIL
Jordan Nwora to IND
T Bryant to DEN

[orlando_joe]

crazy reading some of this just 2yrs ago deadline magic made 3 big trades...sometimes no trade is best trade...waiting till draft can be best move..

[pepe1991]

If you think you have your #1 and #2 options moving forward (Paolo/Franz) then giving a big chunk of draft capital makes sense. If you still don't think you have the #1/#2 guys then you probably are better of holding the FRP's and continue to take swings at it.

I think you can have the view that Paolo and Franz are #1/#2 guys and still try and fill out the rest of the roster lottery talent you develop. We have known quantities that after solid starters and role players in WCJ, Isaac, Fultz, Harris, and Moe already.

Let's play a game.
I'll give you guaranteed contracts for 2023-24 and your job is simple.
Find minutes for upcomming two rookies.

PG: Fultz ( 30 ) / Cole ( 20) / Suggs ( 8)
SG: Garry Harris (28) / Suggs / 15 mpg / Cole 5
SF: Franz (30) / Okeke( 12) / Isaac ( 6)
PF: Banchero ( 30) / Isaac ( 5) / Bol ( 10)
C: Wendell ( 30) / , Bamba ( 15) / Bol 3)

Keep in mind this minutes distribution has Isaac playing 11 min, Bol 13 min, Okeke 12 min , and i assumed team will add NOBODY in fa


It's simply impossible, with current pile of players add two rookies, play them and not flat out suck life out of that team and once again be perennial top 5 worst team.

I also removed : Ross, Mortiz Wagner, Admiral Schofield and RJ Hampton from this , i also delited Houstan from existence

[OrlChamps2030]

If the Magic don’t do something at the deadline to address the complete dumpster-fire that is their backcourt, then they’re not really looking to improve. It will not be fixed though the draft. It’s time for Welt to stop stockpiling picks and actually try to build a cohesive team.

Fultz/Harris/Cole/Suggs is not a complete dumpster fire.

Not even close.

Eh. I feel like that’s still easily one of the worst backcourts in the league. Only one plus three point shooter of the bunch.. and he’s a low volume stand still catch and shoot guy. The lack of spacing our backcourt creates really sucks

[fendilim]

I mean you aren't wrong but are you surprised?

I guess something can still happen. I have a strong suspicion that the FO is out to lunch and not rushing to make a deal happen.

Well, the team has been trying to trade ross for 3 years now. I’ll be shocked if we dont get anything for him.

Is that an actual statement from the FO or is that just groupthink that we on the forum tend to regurgitate?

Lol its been widely reported we’ve wanted a 1st rounder for him, and teams would only want to offer 2nds

[BlueBalls]

Matisse Thybulle to POR. I would have liked him in Orlando.

[JoshuaPotter]

Spoiler:

Well, the team has been trying to trade ross for 3 years now. I’ll be shocked if we dont get anything for him.

Is that an actual statement from the FO or is that just groupthink that we on the forum tend to regurgitate?

Lol its been widely reported we’ve wanted a 1st rounder for him, and teams would only want to offer 2nds

That's fair. I also think a 2nd rounder is likely fair for Ross at this point. I think we have had moments where we played Hostan (SP?) over Ross.

[tooler]

Let’s at least give the Magic till the deadline. THEN we can complain.

I’m okay with not making a splash but they have multiple players on the roster with no opportunity. They need to move something, even if it’s for peanuts.

[orlando_joe]

If you think you have your #1 and #2 options moving forward (Paolo/Franz) then giving a big chunk of draft capital makes sense. If you still don't think you have the #1/#2 guys then you probably are better of holding the FRP's and continue to take swings at it.

I think you can have the view that Paolo and Franz are #1/#2 guys and still try and fill out the rest of the roster lottery talent you develop. We have known quantities that after solid starters and role players in WCJ, Isaac, Fultz, Harris, and Moe already.

Let's play a game.
I'll give you guaranteed contracts for 2023-24 and your job is simple.
Find minutes for upcomming two rookies.

PG: Fultz ( 30 ) / Cole ( 20) / Suggs ( 8)
SG: Garry Harris (28) / Suggs / 15 mpg / Cole 5
SF: Franz (30) / Okeke( 12) / Isaac ( 6)
PF: Banchero ( 30) / Isaac ( 5) / Bol ( 10)
C: Wendell ( 30) / , Bamba ( 15) / Bol 3)

Keep in mind this minutes distribution has Isaac playing 11 min, Bol 13 min, Okeke 12 min , and i assumed team will add NOBODY in fa


It's simply impossible, with current pile of players add two rookies, play them and not flat out suck life out of that team and once again be perennial top 5 worst team.

I also removed : Ross, Mortiz Wagner, Admiral Schofield and RJ Hampton from this , i also delited Houstan from existence

well for 1 you wait till draft then see
if after draft and see how ji holds up and suggs and anthony fultz improve or not..
bamba ,harris,bol are not even guarenteed okeke if no improvement going into next season can be rj this yr...
so i see a lot of min ...like all kinds
today is not the only day to make trade and might not be best time to do it