Is Ben Simmons simply not talented enough to warrant the hype he's received?

D.Brasco · Post #1 » by **D.Brasco** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:34 pm

People keep debating whether it's mental or physical but maybe Ben was just never meant to actually be a star player and he's simply reverted to who was going to be the whole time along.

Is this perhaps just one of the worst cases of misreading a players actual talent and abilities?

Maybe if he was projected as a 6th man/role/bench player all along this would have actually helped his development.

meekrab · Post #2 » by **meekrab** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:40 pm

He was averaging 16/8/8 with almost 2 steals and a block (while dealing with a revolving door of teammates) for three years, asking if he wasn't talented is kinda silly.

His inability to shoot free throws and therefore end of game benching just destroyed his confidence.

Ambrose · Post #3 » by **Ambrose** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:43 pm

Talent isn't the problem.

celticfan42487 · Post #4 » by **celticfan42487** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:45 pm

He definitely doesn't warrant having a general board thread made about him today that's for sure.

Karate Diop · Post #5 » by **Karate Diop** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:46 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:He definitely doesn't warrant having a general board thread made about him today that's for sure.

If Muscala can get a thread so can Simmons.

mcfly1204 · Post #6 » by **mcfly1204** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:47 pm

Karate Diop wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:He definitely doesn't warrant having a general board thread made about him today that's for sure.

If Muscala can get a thread so can Simmons.

Where was Simmons traded to?

Karate Diop · Post #7 » by **Karate Diop** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:49 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:
Karate Diop wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:He definitely doesn't warrant having a general board thread made about him today that's for sure.

If Muscala can get a thread so can Simmons.

Where was Simmons traded to?

Nowhere. But this isn't the trades and transactions board.

mcfly1204 · Post #8 » by **mcfly1204** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:51 pm

Karate Diop wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:
Karate Diop wrote:
If Muscala can get a thread so can Simmons.

Where was Simmons traded to?

Nowhere. But this isn't the trades and transactions board.

Oh, my bad. I was under the impression that today was the NBA trade deadline, and most topics would be focused on that.

kasrok · Post #9 » by **kasrok** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:51 pm

The talent was def there, I wouldn't mind if my Spurs made a move for him. I think a 'smaller' market will help and he's still young enough to rehab his value and trade or try to intertwine with our own rebuild. Id even consider trading Keldon if we got back an unprotected first

UglyBugBall · Post #10 » by **UglyBugBall** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:52 pm

He wont shoot open 3's or attempt layups with a defender 10 feet from him.

Talent isn't the problem.

Patches Perry · Post #11 » by **Patches Perry** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:52 pm

Simmons' has well above average basketball talents that certainly warrant the hype, but the problem is he also has well below average basketball talents (relative to NBA players) that really bottom out his overall positive impact. When you net the positive and negative together, you get a pretty underwhelming impact. This doesn't take away from his positive abilities, it just means they ought to be contextualized.

djsunyc · Post #12 » by **djsunyc** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 5:52 pm

trades all around the nba today...this topic probably could've waited till tomorrow

lambchop · Post #13 » by **lambchop** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 6:00 pm

meekrab wrote:He was averaging 16/8/8 with almost 2 steals and a block (while dealing with a revolving door of teammates) for three years, asking if he wasn't talented is kinda silly.

His inability to shoot free throws and therefore end of game benching just destroyed his confidence.

Yea it looks like his confidence was just completely obliterated. Basically what happened to LBJ in the 2011 finals has happened to Simmons but it's not a span of games, it's basically becoming the rest of his career. Usually some time away from the game plus a lot of hours working on your craft can solve those kind of issues, but apparently that's not the case for Simmons.

I said it in another thread, he's a 26 year old 3 time all star with no serious injury history and he is projected to be a role player at best on this current Nets team.

cam24thomas · Post #14 » by **cam24thomas** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 6:45 pm

Patches Perry wrote:Simmons' has well above average basketball talents that certainly warrant the hype, but the problem is he also has well below average basketball talents (relative to NBA players) that really bottom out his overall positive impact. When you net the positive and negative together, you get a pretty underwhelming impact. This doesn't take away from his positive abilities, it just means they ought to be contextualized.

"Underwhelming"

All-Star x3
All-NBA 3rd Team
All-Defensive 1st Team x2
DPOY Runner-up
Steals Champ
Career averages = 14.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, 7.6 assists
Career Playoff averages = 13.9 points, 8.1 rebounds, 7.5 assists

Patches Perry · Post #15 » by **Patches Perry** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 7:32 pm

ben10simmons wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:Simmons' has well above average basketball talents that certainly warrant the hype, but the problem is he also has well below average basketball talents (relative to NBA players) that really bottom out his overall positive impact. When you net the positive and negative together, you get a pretty underwhelming impact. This doesn't take away from his positive abilities, it just means they ought to be contextualized.

"Underwhelming"
All-Star x3
All-NBA 3rd Team
All-Defensive 1st Team x2
DPOY Runner-up
Steals Champ
Career averages = 14.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, 7.6 assists
Career Playoff averages = 13.9 points, 8.1 rebounds, 7.5 assists

Seems like you missed the point. He is very good at a lot of things, but the things he is very bad at take away from his overall impact. You can be really good at some things, win awards and lead the league in categories, while still having underwhelming impact if you are really bad at other things on the court.

cam24thomas · Post #16 » by **cam24thomas** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 7:57 pm

Patches Perry wrote:
ben10simmons wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:Simmons' has well above average basketball talents that certainly warrant the hype, but the problem is he also has well below average basketball talents (relative to NBA players) that really bottom out his overall positive impact. When you net the positive and negative together, you get a pretty underwhelming impact. This doesn't take away from his positive abilities, it just means they ought to be contextualized.

"Underwhelming"
All-Star x3
All-NBA 3rd Team
All-Defensive 1st Team x2
DPOY Runner-up
Steals Champ
Career averages = 14.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, 7.6 assists
Career Playoff averages = 13.9 points, 8.1 rebounds, 7.5 assists

Seems like you missed the point. He is very good at a lot of things, but the things he is very bad at take away from his overall impact. You can be really good at some things, win awards and lead the league in categories, while still having underwhelming impact if you are really bad at other things on the court.

I think he's only bad at ONE thing - shooting.
Not saying he's great at everything else, but he's only "bad" at one thing.
I think his rebounding, defense and passing more than makes up for the shooting....

payton2kemp · Post #17 » by **payton2kemp** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 7:58 pm

ben10simmons wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:Simmons' has well above average basketball talents that certainly warrant the hype, but the problem is he also has well below average basketball talents (relative to NBA players) that really bottom out his overall positive impact. When you net the positive and negative together, you get a pretty underwhelming impact. This doesn't take away from his positive abilities, it just means they ought to be contextualized.

"Underwhelming"
All-Star x3
All-NBA 3rd Team
All-Defensive 1st Team x2
DPOY Runner-up
Steals Champ
Career averages = 14.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, 7.6 assists
Career Playoff averages = 13.9 points, 8.1 rebounds, 7.5 assists

What is he doing this year? he's not even a top 5 player on his own team. Dude is utter trash and his career is done. Hasn't played a decent game in over two years.

cam24thomas · Post #18 » by **cam24thomas** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:00 pm

therealozzykhan wrote:
ben10simmons wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:Simmons' has well above average basketball talents that certainly warrant the hype, but the problem is he also has well below average basketball talents (relative to NBA players) that really bottom out his overall positive impact. When you net the positive and negative together, you get a pretty underwhelming impact. This doesn't take away from his positive abilities, it just means they ought to be contextualized.

"Underwhelming"
All-Star x3
All-NBA 3rd Team
All-Defensive 1st Team x2
DPOY Runner-up
Steals Champ
Career averages = 14.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, 7.6 assists
Career Playoff averages = 13.9 points, 8.1 rebounds, 7.5 assists

What is he doing this year? he's not even a top 5 player on his own team. Dude is utter trash and his career is done. Hasn't played a decent game in over two years.

He's not supposed to be good this year, he's had back and knee problems, plus he's restricted by playing with 2 superstars.... including ball-dominant Kyrie.

mcfly1204 · Post #19 » by **mcfly1204** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:02 pm

ben10simmons wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
ben10simmons wrote:"Underwhelming"
All-Star x3
All-NBA 3rd Team
All-Defensive 1st Team x2
DPOY Runner-up
Steals Champ
Career averages = 14.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, 7.6 assists
Career Playoff averages = 13.9 points, 8.1 rebounds, 7.5 assists

Seems like you missed the point. He is very good at a lot of things, but the things he is very bad at take away from his overall impact. You can be really good at some things, win awards and lead the league in categories, while still having underwhelming impact if you are really bad at other things on the court.

I think he's only bad at ONE thing - shooting.
Not saying he's great at everything else, but he's only "bad" at one thing.
I think his rebounding, defense and passing more than makes up for the shooting....

In a sport where the team who scores the most points win, I beg to differ.

ImSlower · Post #20 » by **ImSlower** » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:03 pm

He certainly has talent. Not enough to make it logical for a person across the globe to devote hours a day refreshing a general board in illogical, blind faith support of him as his career wilts under the pressure and rigors of professional basketball, of course. Someone like that would immediately become a healthier person if they found a different hobby.

In all honesty, perhaps this new-look Nets team will revert to their pre-Durant team of likable, hustling over-achievers on a team with some good assets. I mean, that won't be Simmons, but he might get dragged back to being a net-positive on court again.