2023 Trade Deadline Thread: Conley/VanVleet/Lowry/etc. (Updated thread)

[KL2]

Wonder how PG is taking the news?

[madmaxmedia]

The reshuffling of the guards was sorta weird, but necessary to get Plumlee. We ended up with a group more or less equal in quality as before, but got Plumlee with it. And bought low on Bones, let's see if he can turn it around with us. He's very cost-controlled for the next 3 years.

It looks small compared to the big splash moves in the West, but was a logical package IMO- especially if we can sign Bev or Westbrook.

yeah it's kinda weird and i think we still have too many players.

let's say we keep the starters the same: zu/morris/kawhi/pg/mann

bench lineup? presumably plumlee/batum/powell/gordon/hyland ?

cause i assume lue still hates covington's guts despite the fact that he's a lot more useful than morris when he gets past 20 minutes. and that's not even counting a potential beverley or westbrook pickup. so if the above bench lineup is the one, i guess we're doing that 3-guard lineup thing again which has routinely tanked our team all season.

not that i expect it to happen (despite powell with those guys being one of the better lineups i've seen all season) but if we swapped morris for batum and powell for mann, the starters are better on offense and defense, but the bench looks way more balanced as well. like, i'm ok with a plumlee/morris/mann/gordon/hyland lineup (again, assuming covington's gonna rot for eternity) because we're not so minimized in the backcourt.

guess we'll see.

Those make sense, but I feel like ideally we'd start Norm somehow.

I'm not gonna pretend to be able to break down Plumlee's game vs. Zu's, but they seem of comparable quality so which one fits better with which unit? Match up dependent? I figure minutes distribution will end up pretty close.

[Wammy Giveaway]

Hyland is a true point guard, but a role player. Doesn't start, his career APG is less than 5 (2.8 as of this writing), and was recently a DNP-CD. But he is young, 22 years old, and was absorbed into one of the Clipper's trade exceptions. He'll be coming off the bench.

Gordon is a guard-ward (shooting guard/small forward hybrid). Won Sixth Man Of The Year in 2017 with Rockets, but Clippers LOVE their Sixth Men: look at Crawford, Williams and Harrell who helped Clippers become league leaders in that awards category. A former Clipper whose assist numbers were growing up to 4.4 APG in 2010-11 season before being dealt in post-veto Chris Paul trade, where he got injured and took a backseat, affecting his entire statline (from 22.3 PPG 2.9 RPG 4.4 APG in 2010-11 with Clippers to 13.4-2.0-2.7 in 2021-22 with Rockets). Part nostalgia, part doubling in strength with wingstop. He'll continue his role player duty, but he could fill in for when George and Leonard go out to rest.

Plumlee provides Clippers with backup center, but outside of that, I don't know much. He had one season as full time starter in 2015-16 season with Trailblazers, so if Zubac were injured or to take a rest, he'll fill in when needed.

The big loss is going to be Jackson, and might have been a tough one for Clippers to swallow. They saw him as a savior, someone who could hit a big shot to re-energize the team when they were down huge, but now that they've made a conference finals, they don't need saviors anymore. Losing Jackson could hurt the team emotionally some, so keep an eye out on how they responds to the trade for the rest of the season. Getting Westbrook in buyout could alleviate that pain, but they might wish for Beverley to come back, who provided the team with the fighting spark that was evidently lost ever since they moved him... and out of emotion due to how much Chris Paul meant to the Clippers.

Should no point guard with starting experience join Clippers, expect them to continue with the point guard position as wildcard, with the guard-ward Mann filling in. Doubling in on shooting guards, small forwards, power forwards and centers pretending to be a point guard.

Oh boy, don't know how the Clippers are going to defeat CP3, now that he's on a True Big 3 for the first time in his career.

[NickP]

Why am I not feeling good with any of these moves? Help me get on board.

[nickhx2]

Wonder how PG is taking the news?

"reggie jackson gone? i'm the point guard now."

cue i'm the captain now meme but i'm way too lazy to find it and actually put in the text and post it

[nickhx2]

The reshuffling of the guards was sorta weird, but necessary to get Plumlee. We ended up with a group more or less equal in quality as before, but got Plumlee with it. And bought low on Bones, let's see if he can turn it around with us. He's very cost-controlled for the next 3 years.

It looks small compared to the big splash moves in the West, but was a logical package IMO- especially if we can sign Bev or Westbrook.

yeah it's kinda weird and i think we still have too many players.

let's say we keep the starters the same: zu/morris/kawhi/pg/mann

bench lineup? presumably plumlee/batum/powell/gordon/hyland ?

cause i assume lue still hates covington's guts despite the fact that he's a lot more useful than morris when he gets past 20 minutes. and that's not even counting a potential beverley or westbrook pickup. so if the above bench lineup is the one, i guess we're doing that 3-guard lineup thing again which has routinely tanked our team all season.

not that i expect it to happen (despite powell with those guys being one of the better lineups i've seen all season) but if we swapped morris for batum and powell for mann, the starters are better on offense and defense, but the bench looks way more balanced as well. like, i'm ok with a plumlee/morris/mann/gordon/hyland lineup (again, assuming covington's gonna rot for eternity) because we're not so minimized in the backcourt.

guess we'll see.

Those make sense, but I feel like ideally we'd start Norm somehow.

I'm not gonna pretend to be able to break down Plumlee's game vs. Zu's, but they seem of comparable quality so which one fits better with which unit? Match up dependent? I figure minutes distribution will end up pretty close.

yeah i dunno either lmao. there were a few people here who were big proponents of plumlee (like true all year) so perhaps they can give us an updated take.

in regards to hyland - funny thing is i actually wanted him as one of our draft targets, but despite his physical skills he certainly hasn't turned into the potential defender any team would hope for him to be. curiously, if you read the GB thread about him, it feels like SEVERAL denver posters are upset he was moved (though of course some nonplussed). i guess if they see something i'll try to catch some of that hope, too lmao

[clipperlover]

The reshuffling of the guards was sorta weird, but necessary to get Plumlee. We ended up with a group more or less equal in quality as before, but got Plumlee with it. And bought low on Bones, let's see if he can turn it around with us. He's very cost-controlled for the next 3 years.

It looks small compared to the big splash moves in the West, but was a logical package IMO- especially if we can sign Bev or Westbrook.

yeah it's kinda weird and i think we still have too many players.

let's say we keep the starters the same: zu/morris/kawhi/pg/mann

bench lineup? presumably plumlee/batum/powell/gordon/hyland ?

cause i assume lue still hates covington's guts despite the fact that he's a lot more useful than morris when he gets past 20 minutes. and that's not even counting a potential beverley or westbrook pickup. so if the above bench lineup is the one, i guess we're doing that 3-guard lineup thing again which has routinely tanked our team all season.

not that i expect it to happen (despite powell with those guys being one of the better lineups i've seen all season) but if we swapped morris for batum and powell for mann, the starters are better on offense and defense, but the bench looks way more balanced as well. like, i'm ok with a plumlee/morris/mann/gordon/hyland lineup (again, assuming covington's gonna rot for eternity) because we're not so minimized in the backcourt.

guess we'll see.

I read speculation awhile back that the front office and Lue had a difference of opinion about Covington. Looks like the front office has spoken. Doubt Bones gets into the playing rotation much this season. The front office has forced Lue's hands regarding the rotation. Other than Plumlee, Lue isn't going to just throw a lot of minutes at Gordon or Bones. Lue is also forced to develop Mann for the time being. Lue won't have the Reggie luxury any longer.

I think the Front Office did a fabulous job imposing their will.

[madmaxmedia]

yeah it's kinda weird and i think we still have too many players.

let's say we keep the starters the same: zu/morris/kawhi/pg/mann

bench lineup? presumably plumlee/batum/powell/gordon/hyland ?

cause i assume lue still hates covington's guts despite the fact that he's a lot more useful than morris when he gets past 20 minutes. and that's not even counting a potential beverley or westbrook pickup. so if the above bench lineup is the one, i guess we're doing that 3-guard lineup thing again which has routinely tanked our team all season.

not that i expect it to happen (despite powell with those guys being one of the better lineups i've seen all season) but if we swapped morris for batum and powell for mann, the starters are better on offense and defense, but the bench looks way more balanced as well. like, i'm ok with a plumlee/morris/mann/gordon/hyland lineup (again, assuming covington's gonna rot for eternity) because we're not so minimized in the backcourt.

guess we'll see.

Those make sense, but I feel like ideally we'd start Norm somehow.

I'm not gonna pretend to be able to break down Plumlee's game vs. Zu's, but they seem of comparable quality so which one fits better with which unit? Match up dependent? I figure minutes distribution will end up pretty close.

yeah i dunno either lmao. there were a few people here who were big proponents of plumlee (like true all year) so perhaps they can give us an updated take.

in regards to hyland - funny thing is i actually wanted him as one of our draft targets, but despite his physical skills he certainly hasn't turned into the potential defender any team would hope for him to be. curiously, if you read the GB thread about him, it feels like SEVERAL denver posters are upset he was moved (though of course some nonplussed). i guess if they see something i'll try to catch some of that hope, too lmao

I still remember his name from pre-draft that year and I think we brought him in for a workout, I had FOMO last season when he was playing regular minutes for Denver. We bought low so let's see how it goes. We need a buyout player still, but Bones will get some minutes to show his worth this year. 6'3" in shoes and 6'9" wingspan is nice, you'd think it could add up to a good defender at the point guard spot but oh well.

I read speculation awhile back that the front office and Lue had a difference of opinion about Covington. Looks like the front office has spoken. Doubt Bones gets into the playing rotation much this season. The front office has forced Lue's hands regarding the rotation. Other than Plumlee, Lue isn't going to just throw a lot of minutes at Gordon or Bones. Lue is also forced to develop Mann for the time being. Lue won't have the Reggie luxury any longer.

I think the Front Office did a fabulous job imposing their will.

Gordon's minutes could be very variable depending on lineups (although he's good enough to play for us), but we're gonna need a buyout guard if Bones is not getting any minutes.

[MartinToVaught]

Why am I not feeling good with any of these moves? Help me get on board.

The Plumlee trade was good. I'm with you on the other trades, though. Instead of gifting Luke to a conference rival who was already way better than us, we should have fired Lue months ago and gotten a coach in here who actually runs plays and could use Luke properly. I also have a bad feeling that Bones will become Lue's new Reggie.

[nickhx2]

Those make sense, but I feel like ideally we'd start Norm somehow.

I'm not gonna pretend to be able to break down Plumlee's game vs. Zu's, but they seem of comparable quality so which one fits better with which unit? Match up dependent? I figure minutes distribution will end up pretty close.

yeah i dunno either lmao. there were a few people here who were big proponents of plumlee (like true all year) so perhaps they can give us an updated take.

in regards to hyland - funny thing is i actually wanted him as one of our draft targets, but despite his physical skills he certainly hasn't turned into the potential defender any team would hope for him to be. curiously, if you read the GB thread about him, it feels like SEVERAL denver posters are upset he was moved (though of course some nonplussed). i guess if they see something i'll try to catch some of that hope, too lmao

I still remember his name from pre-draft that year and I think we brought him in for a workout, I had FOMO last season when he was playing regular minutes for Denver. We bought low so let's see how it goes. We need a buyout player still, but Bones will get some minutes to show his worth this year. 6'3" in shoes and 6'9" wingspan is nice, you'd think it could add up to a good defender at the point guard spot but oh well.

I read speculation awhile back that the front office and Lue had a difference of opinion about Covington. Looks like the front office has spoken. Doubt Bones gets into the playing rotation much this season. The front office has forced Lue's hands regarding the rotation. Other than Plumlee, Lue isn't going to just throw a lot of minutes at Gordon or Bones. Lue is also forced to develop Mann for the time being. Lue won't have the Reggie luxury any longer.

I think the Front Office did a fabulous job imposing their will.

Gordon's minutes could be very variable depending on lineups (although he's good enough to play for us), but we're gonna need a buyout guard if Bones is not getting any minutes.

i mean, i remember reading jamal crawford's pre-draft bio and reading he was a "multi-faceted jewel" who had the potential to be a great defender with his length lol. i doubt him being on this team will change any of that so we'll see. ironically, the one player's bio who most closely resembled jamal crawford was dejounte murray, and he turned into a splendid defender. clips shoulda listened to tuscon all along!

[esqtvd]

The big loss is going to be Jackson, and might have been a tough one for Clippers to swallow. They saw him as a savior, someone who could hit a big shot to re-energize the team when they were down huge, but now that they've made a conference finals, they don't need saviors anymore. Losing Jackson could hurt the team emotionally some, so keep an eye out on how they responds to the trade for the rest of the season. Getting Westbrook in buyout could alleviate that pain, but they might wish for Beverley to come back, who provided the team with the fighting spark that was evidently lost ever since they moved him... and out of emotion due to how much Chris Paul meant to the Clippers.

Westbrook can fill the Reggie void and having both of them would be redundant. Westbrook takes up all the air in the room and all the air out of the ball lol.

If the Clips score Westbrook, getting Plumlee for Reggie and filling the 5 hole was an excellent move.

[nickhx2]

in regards to speculation on covington/lue that's news to me. it wouldn't surprise me but who knows what's really true.

i will say moving both morris and reggie would have been the most ideal thing but i was legitimately concerned that neither would be moved. so i guess we should take the win and hope they find a way to move him in the offseason.

funny thing is when we first acquired him, the cost was so high and the fit seemed so, well, ill. this move really came back to bite us.

[Ballings7]

Plumlee is going to be such a solid dimensonal add for this team, and Zubac will benefit to be fresher.

Good rebounder, passer, paint-finisher, tough and solid defender from what I've gathered.

I think the team got better overall, but not at the level of Denver, and potentially Phoenix (if they gel and are balanced enough (hint: defense is a question mark) and Memphis (they might collapse and downgrade from past good play).

And Gordon, will be a good option to have on the wing.. guy can still ball and will be on a more balanced team.

Bones, I don't know, haven't seen much of him, will be interesting scenario to follow and what he can do this season, if much of anything.

Going to be more fun now.

[clipperlover]

Oh boy, don't know how the Clippers are going to defeat CP3, now that he's on a True Big 3 for the first time in his career.

CP3 will be hurt in the playoffs just like always. Phoenix dumped their best perimeter defensive players in this deal. They are far from a lock. Who is their defensive stopper now? Now, they have NO ONE that can check Luka, so they need to avoid Dallas at all costs in the playoffs. Losing Bridges will be the biggest mistake they made.

We have a plethora of defenders to run at Phoenix. If Zubac doesn't get hurt in the WCF, we beat the Suns in that series. Ayton is not dominant. The guy has had 1 season of 1.5 blks/gm or better. I am not worried about the Suns with Durant.

For the fire sale they went through, Brooklyn has actually improved their roster. Finney-Smith and Bridges are going to be huge for them defensively.

[Ballings7]

Getting Westbrook... still not sure how I feel about that, but unless he has a tamed starting role, and accepts it - I think it would be lateral and at times make the team worse, where it could add up and cause chemistry issues..

But, maybe its passively like "nothing to lose" almost.

Shall see.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I feel bad for Reggie- he really liked being a Clipper. Wish they could have kept him

[nickhx2]

Plumlee is going to be such a solid dimensonal add for this team, and Zubac will benefit to be fresher.

Good rebounder, passer, paint-finisher, tough and solid defender from what I've gathered.

I think the team got better overall, but not at the level of Denver, and potentially Phoenix (if they gel and are balanced enough (hint: defense is a question mark) and Memphis (they might collapse and downgrade from past good play).

And Gordon, will be a good option to have on the wing.. guy can still ball and will be on a more balanced team.

Bones, I don't know, haven't seen much of him, will be interesting scenario to follow and what he can do this season, if much of anything.

Going to be more fun now.

i will say that fun is definitely what this team needs right now. we'll see if it's enough to breathe life back into them.

[esqtvd]

set me free?
yes this could have been an accommodation trade
for Plumlee too

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Reggie can help somebody as their backup PG--they don't grow on trees

[clipsfever]

Maybe we can pick up BOTH Westbrook and PatBev and Ballmer can build a new Clips Cable channel around the ensuing reality TV high drama/comedy show...

("unfortunately", rumor has it Pat will rejoin the TWolves.)

[clipperlover]

Why am I not feeling good with any of these moves? Help me get on board.

The Plumlee trade was good. I'm with you on the other trades, though. Instead of gifting Luke to a conference rival who was already way better than us, we should have fired Lue months ago and gotten a coach in here who actually runs plays and could use Luke properly. I also have a bad feeling that Bones will become Lue's new Reggie.

Kennard will gets some minutes after the trade, but then be planted on the bench. He doesn't help them defensively. He will be able to steal some time when one of their other players get tossed out of the game. Several of those Memphis players are prone to self-destruction and that will work against them in the playoffs.