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Post#401 » by Netaman » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:10 pm

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There might have been no takers for him.

I would buy him out so he can join a contender. He really isn't going to have a role now since Cam should be the starting SG.

He isn’t dropping 40 a night, Seth could’ve helped us win the last two games. He’s perfect for Cam off the bench.


Dinwiddie/Cam/Bridges/DFS/Claxton would be my starting 5. The backcourt defense might be weak though.

Ben/Royce/Cam II/Yuta the Shooter run second unit.

I think Ben's time is up as far as being a starter on this team. Everyone that we got in these two trades are simply better players.


Cam 2 has been really good this year. He's shooting like peak seth/joe, while adding ridiculous +/- defensively.

i think he needs to get that starting spot while royce and dfs come off the bench in an energy role.
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Post#402 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:12 pm

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Paradise wrote:He isn’t dropping 40 a night, Seth could’ve helped us win the last two games. He’s perfect for Cam off the bench.


Dinwiddie/Cam/Bridges/DFS/Claxton would be my starting 5. The backcourt defense might be weak though.

Ben/Royce/Cam II/Yuta the Shooter run second unit.

I think Ben's time is up as far as being a starter on this team. Everyone that we got in these two trades are simply better players.


Cam 2 has been really good this year. He's shooting like peak seth/joe, while adding ridiculous +/- defensively.

i think he needs to get that starting spot while royce and dfs come off the bench in an energy role.


Yeah i nearly had a heart attack when i saw his metrics. The guy is legit. The fact that we got so many draft picks and him included is massive.

I'm really excited to see how this team comes together. We've got some really good pieces.
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Post#403 » by MGrand15 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:14 pm

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MGrand15 wrote:Really disappointed we didn't move Curry or pick up a back up C. The Durant trade was done last night. They had all day to make a move and all we did was shed Jae Crowder's salary. My guess is we buy Curry out.

Don't really understand what Marks was doing the last 8 hours.

It's whatever. I still like the roster. Maybe the plan is to move Ben back up C full time. We have a lot of shooters and length.

Dinwiddie / Sumner
Bridges / Cam / Seth
Johnson / Harris
DFS / Yuta
Claxton / Ben / Sharpe


Ben at the 5 has been a disaster all season since he shies away from contact, doesn't box out and offers zero rim protection. I'd rather play Sharpe than him there.

Maybe having the length of Bridges and DFS on the wings might make Ben playable at 5. Guess we'll have to wait and see


I don't like Ben at the 5 either and I agree with what you're saying but building Ben back up is higher priority than Sharpe. Not playing him next to Clax is one way to do that. Trying to get him better as a rim protector is another way to do that. He's obviously less athletic than before but so many of his problems at center look like they're just awareness and effort.
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Post#404 » by Karate Diop » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:16 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Christ i forgot that Joe is still here. We've got a log jam right now.

Marks is really bad at balancing out rosters.


It always seems like that, but under Vaughn I think it's pretty safe to say we're going to play a 4 out type of offense. So it's possible Bridges plays quite a bit of PF which opens things up a bit...
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Post#405 » by Paradise » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:22 pm

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Dinwiddie/Cam/Bridges/DFS/Claxton would be my starting 5. The backcourt defense might be weak though.

Ben/Royce/Cam II/Yuta the Shooter run second unit.

I think Ben's time is up as far as being a starter on this team. Everyone that we got in these two trades are simply better players.


Cam 2 has been really good this year. He's shooting like peak seth/joe, while adding ridiculous +/- defensively.

i think he needs to get that starting spot while royce and dfs come off the bench in an energy role.


Yeah i nearly had a heart attack when i saw his metrics. The guy is legit. The fact that we got so many draft picks and him included is massive.

I'm really excited to see how this team comes together. We've got some really good pieces.

Yeah, we’re going to make the playoffs barring chemistry issues. We’re a deep, deep team with upside to switch and shoot from anywhere.

We’ve now added two guys who were in the NBA Finals and two other guys who lost to the two guys who got passed the WCF. FOUR defensive, efficient shooters who were rivals in the 2022 playoffs will add to this new culture being built.

I’m excited to see how we look consistently once this all is gone and settled in with a couple practices.
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Post#406 » by Eatgreenz » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:30 pm

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So it official was the kyrie trade that set it off

The big news is that Tsai, Marks & KD had an agreement that if it didn't work out this year, they would get him where he wanted to be. They didn't negotiate with any other teams (Pels, Grizzlies, Celtics, etc.). They did KD a solid on the way out. I wouldn't expect him to go scorched earth like Kyrie did.

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Post#407 » by CalamityX12 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:32 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Christ i forgot that Joe is still here. We've got a log jam right now.

Marks is really bad at balancing out rosters.

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Post#408 » by sashaturiaf » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:34 pm

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MGrand15 wrote:Really disappointed we didn't move Curry or pick up a back up C. The Durant trade was done last night. They had all day to make a move and all we did was shed Jae Crowder's salary. My guess is we buy Curry out.

Don't really understand what Marks was doing the last 8 hours.

It's whatever. I still like the roster. Maybe the plan is to move Ben back up C full time. We have a lot of shooters and length.

Dinwiddie / Sumner
Bridges / Cam / Seth
Johnson / Harris
DFS / Yuta
Claxton / Ben / Sharpe


Ben at the 5 has been a disaster all season since he shies away from contact, doesn't box out and offers zero rim protection. I'd rather play Sharpe than him there.

Maybe having the length of Bridges and DFS on the wings might make Ben playable at 5. Guess we'll have to wait and see


I don't like Ben at the 5 either and I agree with what you're saying but building Ben back up is higher priority than Sharpe. Not playing him next to Clax is one way to do that. Trying to get him better as a rim protector is another way to do that. He's obviously less athletic than before but so many of his problems at center look like they're just awareness and effort.


Yeah based on team needs Ben at the 5 might be a necessity now since there's no minutes for him at the 3/4 at all. Backup 5 could be handled by committee by Ben, Sharpe and even some DFS. Just hope Clax stays healthy, since we'd be screwed without him.
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Post#409 » by njnets62892 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:35 pm

I think Joe is still here for a couple of reasons:

1. His value is at an all time low so they're hoping he can return to form somewhat and raise his value back up.
2. He'll be a $18.5 mil expiring contract next year which is a valuable trade chip.
3. Saw somebody point out that him and Dinwiddie's contracts combined are about equal to a max slot. Possible positioning for the next disgruntled star who demands a trade.
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Post#410 » by Netaman » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:35 pm

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Dinwiddie/Cam/Bridges/DFS/Claxton would be my starting 5. The backcourt defense might be weak though.

Ben/Royce/Cam II/Yuta the Shooter run second unit.

I think Ben's time is up as far as being a starter on this team. Everyone that we got in these two trades are simply better players.


Cam 2 has been really good this year. He's shooting like peak seth/joe, while adding ridiculous +/- defensively.

i think he needs to get that starting spot while royce and dfs come off the bench in an energy role.


Yeah i nearly had a heart attack when i saw his metrics. The guy is legit. The fact that we got so many draft picks and him included is massive.

I'm really excited to see how this team comes together. We've got some really good pieces.


and the thing is they all fit. dinwiddie and claxton are known quantities at the 1 and 5 who can do a little bit of everything you'd expect.

2, 3, 4 you've now got a guy who is rapidly ascending as an on ball scorer surrounded by 2 long/athletic shooters who can space the floor but don't need high usage. Hopefully Bridges can do just enough a la Middleton in iso situations but if not the floor should be well spaced as Cam T and dinwiddie initiate the offense.
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Post#411 » by Crives » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:35 pm

Just bench Ben until we can dump in offseason. Do t need players with his work ethic
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Post#412 » by Netaman » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:36 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Christ i forgot that Joe is still here. We've got a log jam right now.

Marks is really bad at balancing out rosters.

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it's funny but the same people who want to blame everything on marks will make excuses for joe until they are blue in the face. he completely choked away a championship for this franchise. seth could hit some of the shots he missed that series from a wheelchair.
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Post#413 » by TheNetsFan » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:44 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
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MGrand15 wrote:Really disappointed we didn't move Curry or pick up a back up C. The Durant trade was done last night. They had all day to make a move and all we did was shed Jae Crowder's salary. My guess is we buy Curry out.

Don't really understand what Marks was doing the last 8 hours.

It's whatever. I still like the roster. Maybe the plan is to move Ben back up C full time. We have a lot of shooters and length.

Dinwiddie / Sumner
Bridges / Cam / Seth
Johnson / Harris
DFS / Yuta
Claxton / Ben / Sharpe


Yeah, not moving Curry is the one I don't really get... Harris because of his deal and current play, probably didn't have value, Royce I can understand keeping because of his character and leadership, but Curry? Yeah he provides some of the intangibles like Royce but seems.cery unlikely he's back next year given his age...


There might have been no takers for him.

I would buy him out so he can join a contender. He really isn't going to have a role now since Cam should be the starting SG.

He just got injured with about 30 games left in the season. There's been no updates yet on his injury. The injury may have eliminated any value that he had.
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Post#414 » by Paradise » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:58 pm

Crives wrote:Just bench Ben until we can dump in offseason. Do t need players with his work ethic

Nah, let him play and show something. He should fit perfectly next to Spencer and Mikal. One of the tallest lineups in the league. Hiding him for what? Teams will not want a guy benched purpose for no reason. Especially while rebuilding.

Put all the pressure on him to look good on a retooling/rebuilding squad. He’s got so many weapons to show he’s a star in this league, let him prove his own worth or not.
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Post#415 » by Crives » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:59 pm

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Crives wrote:Just bench Ben until we can dump in offseason. Do t need players with his work ethic

Nah, let him play and show something. He should perfectly next to Spencer and Mikal. Hiding him for what? Teams will not want a guy benched purpose for no reason. Especially while rebuilding.

Put all the pressure on him to look good on a retooling p/rebuilding squad. He’s got so many weapons to show he’s a star in this league, let him prove his own worth or not.


I get that take.. I just think the more he plays, the worse it looks
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Post#416 » by Paradise » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:01 pm

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Crives wrote:Just bench Ben until we can dump in offseason. Do t need players with his work ethic

Nah, let him play and show something. He should perfectly next to Spencer and Mikal. Hiding him for what? Teams will not want a guy benched purpose for no reason. Especially while rebuilding.

Put all the pressure on him to look good on a retooling p/rebuilding squad. He’s got so many weapons to show he’s a star in this league, let him prove his own worth or not.


I get that take.. I just think the more he plays, the worse it looks

I can agree but so does everyone else looking at him. There’s no more “hoping”. Now, he has no KD bailing him or Kyrie yelling at him. Let’s see what he’s made of as a 3 time all star. No excuses. It can be HIS team.

He came into this situation expecting to relax trying to be Draymond of the team with Kyrie, KD. Now, he is the only all star left. He’s going to have to prove he’s really locked in and not a top tier talent with a scrub mentally.
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Post#417 » by sashaturiaf » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:07 pm

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Paradise wrote:Nah, let him play and show something. He should perfectly next to Spencer and Mikal. Hiding him for what? Teams will not want a guy benched purpose for no reason. Especially while rebuilding.

Put all the pressure on him to look good on a retooling p/rebuilding squad. He’s got so many weapons to show he’s a star in this league, let him prove his own worth or not.


I get that take.. I just think the more he plays, the worse it looks

I can agree but so does everyone else looking at him. There’s no more “hoping”. Now, he has no KD bailing him or Kyrie yelling at him. Let’s see what he’s made of as a 3 time all star. No excuses. It can be HIS team.

He came into this situation expecting to relax trying to be Draymond of the team with Kyrie, KD. Now, he is the only all star left. He’s going to have to prove he’s really locked in and not a top tier talent with a scrub mentally.


If you remember Draymond's season with Steph out injured, we should wrap Ben up in cotton wool and tell him to go play COD for the rest of this season.

He's obviously not right physically, let the guy rehab his body and come back next season hopefully rejuvenated. We saw what happened when we tried to force Harden to play through injury and it should be a lesson as to how we deal with Ben, especially as there's nothing to play for this season now.
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Post#418 » by Paradise » Thu Feb 9, 2023 10:13 pm

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Paradise wrote:
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I get that take.. I just think the more he plays, the worse it looks

I can agree but so does everyone else looking at him. There’s no more “hoping”. Now, he has no KD bailing him or Kyrie yelling at him. Let’s see what he’s made of as a 3 time all star. No excuses. It can be HIS team.

He came into this situation expecting to relax trying to be Draymond of the team with Kyrie, KD. Now, he is the only all star left. He’s going to have to prove he’s really locked in and not a top tier talent with a scrub mentally.


If you remember Draymond's season with Steph out injured, we should wrap Ben up in cotton wool and tell him to go play COD for the rest of this season.

He's obviously not right physically, let the guy rehab his body and come back next season hopefully rejuvenated. We saw what happened when we tried to force Harden to play through injury and it should be a lesson as to how we deal with Ben, especially as there's nothing to play for this season now.

He said he didn’t need surgery. So, what are we resting him for? Seems like it’s him not wanting to do the long hard steps to rehab. He somehow confirmed the report the Nets were upset he wasn’t trying to take the time to get healthy enough in his body. He legit said after the Suns game, it’s on him to get treatment CONSISTENTLY.

So, what the **** was he doing all this time?
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Post#419 » by Claud » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:51 pm

Woke up to the news... wow.

Really sad KD is gone, as is our shot at chip any time soon.

Unless we were trading for another star when Kyrie left, what did ownership/front office think would happen?

This era of Nets basketbal has got to be the most frustrating ever since we had all the pieces, but just couldn't come together due to a number of factors like injuries + drama + BAD luck. Shows you the importance of OGs like Pat Riley, Pop, etc.

Personally, I would have 100% maxed Kyrie, ONLY because it would have mean we keep KD in BK.

Kyrie is who he is off the court, not the most likeable guy, agreed, but dude is dynamite on the court.

We won 18/20 games like 3 weeks ago and everything just got blown to smithereens while the Rockets still own our pick going forward :crazy:

I'm not super mad at what we get back, not great, but not terrible. At least we have a decent starting point for the rebuild, but just too soon to start thinking about that with this sour taste in my mouth. It's going to take some time to get over this bull.
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Post#420 » by Claud » Thu Feb 9, 2023 11:52 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Christ i forgot that Joe is still here. We've got a log jam right now.

Marks is really bad at balancing out rosters.

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