2023 trade deadline (February 9)

[Scoundreldays]

Clippers literally wouldn’t give up Mann for FVV. How dumb are they??? Morris is still the starting PF. These two things alone close their title window

Very dumb imo

Clips only make moves when they fleece dumb GMs

They don't like to make fair value deals really and it cost them big here

Russ does fit them somewhat well since they have limited playmaking, shooters, and defenders (or at least should be wing defenders)

But do you really want Russ closing a close game in the 4th of a playoff game....we know the answer

Mann is one of my favorite players, but he’s a 26 year old really poor man’s Iggy type 2/3. He’s not going to swing a playoff series or address a need as much as FVV. He had that random Utah playoff game, but he hasn’t replicated that

I know FVV is a PG but hasn't he been pretty bad the last season and a half?

[nzahir]

Very dumb imo

Clips only make moves when they fleece dumb GMs

They don't like to make fair value deals really and it cost them big here

Russ does fit them somewhat well since they have limited playmaking, shooters, and defenders (or at least should be wing defenders)

But do you really want Russ closing a close game in the 4th of a playoff game....we know the answer

Mann is one of my favorite players, but he’s a 26 year old really poor man’s Iggy type 2/3. He’s not going to swing a playoff series or address a need as much as FVV. He had that random Utah playoff game, but he hasn’t replicated that

I know FVV is a PG but hasn't he been pretty bad the last season and a half?

Recently turned it around

Also still a good playmaker

Definitely better than anyone LAC has

Clippers messed up imo not getting a solid playmaker like FVV or Conley

Maybe Russ though helps them

[Scoundreldays]

Mann is one of my favorite players, but he’s a 26 year old really poor man’s Iggy type 2/3. He’s not going to swing a playoff series or address a need as much as FVV. He had that random Utah playoff game, but he hasn’t replicated that

I know FVV is a PG but hasn't he been pretty bad the last season and a half?

Recently turned it around

Also still a good playmaker

Definitely better than anyone LAC has

Clippers messed up imo not getting a solid playmaker like FVV or Conley

Maybe Russ though helps them

Russ scares me BUT if there is one positive thing he would bring is a steroid injection of energy because the Clippers offense looks like a bunch of zombies playing half the time

[madmaxmedia]

Very dumb imo

Clips only make moves when they fleece dumb GMs

They don't like to make fair value deals really and it cost them big here

Russ does fit them somewhat well since they have limited playmaking, shooters, and defenders (or at least should be wing defenders)

But do you really want Russ closing a close game in the 4th of a playoff game....we know the answer

Mann is one of my favorite players, but he’s a 26 year old really poor man’s Iggy type 2/3. He’s not going to swing a playoff series or address a need as much as FVV. He had that random Utah playoff game, but he hasn’t replicated that

I know FVV is a PG but hasn't he been pretty bad the last season and a half?

I would have considered it as it would have made them better this year for sure, but IMO the biggest problem was money going forward. They'll probably want to re-sign Plumlee, and FVV wants a big contract. The effective cost goes much higher when you factor in luxury tax.

Next year they'll have 2 1sts to package along with Marcus Morris' expiring to hunt for a significant addition.

[nzahir]

Mann is one of my favorite players, but he’s a 26 year old really poor man’s Iggy type 2/3. He’s not going to swing a playoff series or address a need as much as FVV. He had that random Utah playoff game, but he hasn’t replicated that

I know FVV is a PG but hasn't he been pretty bad the last season and a half?

I would have considered it as it would have made them better this year for sure, but IMO the biggest problem was money going forward. They'll probably want to re-sign Plumlee, and FVV wants a big contract. The effective cost goes much higher when you factor in luxury tax.

Next year they'll have 2 1sts to package along with Marcus Morris' expiring to hunt for a significant addition.

Ballmer has never cared

I think the window is closing soon for them, should try to capitalize

Kawhi is 32 this summer, PG is 33

And with their injury history, how many chances are there?

[madmaxmedia]

I know FVV is a PG but hasn't he been pretty bad the last season and a half?

I would have considered it as it would have made them better this year for sure, but IMO the biggest problem was money going forward. They'll probably want to re-sign Plumlee, and FVV wants a big contract. The effective cost goes much higher when you factor in luxury tax.

Next year they'll have 2 1sts to package along with Marcus Morris' expiring to hunt for a significant addition.

Ballmer has never cared

I think the window is closing soon for them, should try to capitalize

Kawhi is 32 this summer, PG is 33

And with their injury history, how many chances are there?

I don't disagree, if the cost was basically Mann plus salary matching. Mann and a 1st is too much IMO, not because Mann is so great but he has his role on the team. Giving up the 1st now means potentially losing out on better deals next year (you're right though, the window is closing.)

I am also afraid it could have become a late season rental, at some point with these new additions the math starts to get really screwy (like the story about Wiseman costing GSW $131M for the last 2 years of his contract.)

[nzahir]

I would have considered it as it would have made them better this year for sure, but IMO the biggest problem was money going forward. They'll probably want to re-sign Plumlee, and FVV wants a big contract. The effective cost goes much higher when you factor in luxury tax.

Next year they'll have 2 1sts to package along with Marcus Morris' expiring to hunt for a significant addition.

Ballmer has never cared

I think the window is closing soon for them, should try to capitalize

Kawhi is 32 this summer, PG is 33

And with their injury history, how many chances are there?

I don't disagree, if the cost was basically Mann plus salary matching. Mann and a 1st is too much IMO, not because Mann is so great but he has his role on the team. Giving up the 1st now means potentially losing out on better deals next year (you're right though, the window is closing.)

I am also afraid it could have become a late season rental, at some point with these new additions the math starts to get really screwy (like the story about Wiseman costing GSW $131M for the last 2 years of his contract.)

What better deals?

You guys dont have many assets left to trade

You guys have a ton of talent already, but lacking a playmaking point guard

FVV, PG, Kawhi, Morris, Zubac
Hyland, Powell, Gordon, Batum, Plumlee
RoCo+Others

So much depth that you cant even play decent guys

[G R E Y]

Not sure where to put this, but THIS!

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[Curmudgeon]

John Collins may be a Hawk for life. I read that the Hawks were reducing the asking price, but I guess they didn't reduce it enough.

[HMFFL]

John Collins may be a Hawk for life. I read that the Hawks were reducing the asking price, but I guess they didn't reduce it enough.

He's being paid very well but dealing with being on the trading block for years can't be pleasant for him. The Hawks are a broken team.

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[zshawn10]

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[Karmaloop]

Really surprised Detroit didn’t make a Bogdanovic trade.

When you have unrealistic asking prices, nobody is going to bite. At least San Antonio came off their insane asking price for Poeltl.

[The Rainmaker]

Trade deadline Loser: Denver
Trade deadline winner: Clippers, Suns, Bucks

The Blazers are losers for taking back Kevin Knox and Cam Reddish.

[76ciology]

Wtf was the raps thinking trading a first round pick in 2024 for Jacob Poetl?

Are they rebuilding?

If they’re competing, thats such a waste of draft pick because they can use that pick for an all-in move later.

And they also has Achiuwa and Boucher who can play C. They even had Kaloko starting for them earlier the year.

[Curmudgeon]

I think the Raptors did it to keep Poeltl away from the Celtics.

[zshawn10]

Marks: Here’s the crazy thing: that bounty of draft picks could have increased if they wanted to put Mikal Bridges on the market.

Lowe: Bobby, they were offered. I know of one team — and I’ve confirmed this — I know of one team that offered them 4 first round picks for Mikal Bridges.

Marks: For a guy whose never made the All Star Game and is a good player, one of the better defenders, doesn’t miss games—

Lowe: At least 3 first round picks; the fourth one may have had some protections.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/23cssv0GOARNSYV9EWPf9a?si=VKwH_tfoSAS6WbEnu2DMYw&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A2mZHt3zBxyIuc0PYLdDDkr&t=1480

[G R E Y]

Really surprised Detroit didn’t make a Bogdanovic trade.

When you have unrealistic asking prices, nobody is going to bite. At least San Antonio came off their insane asking price for Poeltl.

Negotiation 101. Plus that was the best picks package in terms of number and protection anyway. Good result for an impending UFA.

[Phreak50]

Really surprised Detroit didn’t make a Bogdanovic trade.

When you have unrealistic asking prices, nobody is going to bite. At least San Antonio came off their insane asking price for Poeltl.

Negotiation 101. Plus that was the best picks package in terms of number and protection anyway. Good result for an impending UFA.

I also think they would have asked Jakob where he was happy to go, since he was a hard working, good guy.

Unlike Murray where we just threw him wherever the best return was.

[G R E Y]

When you have unrealistic asking prices, nobody is going to bite. At least San Antonio came off their insane asking price for Poeltl.

Negotiation 101. Plus that was the best picks package in terms of number and protection anyway. Good result for an impending UFA.

I also think they would have asked Jakob where he was happy to go, since he was a hard working, good guy.

Unlike Murray where we just threw him wherever the best return was.

Well DJ and Tre were developing a bromance in the off-season and were all not subtle about it on social media. We did, in fact, accommodate DJ in sending him to exactly where he wanted, but it was not at the cost of lesser assets coming back. We made sure to have competition for both DJ and Jakob and it brought up the price. I think we got great return for both.

For sure Jakob was asked which of the interested teams he preferred. It was clear where DJ preferred, but if, say, NY had stepped up with a better package, then either Hawks would have upped it or he'd have been a Knick.

You try to keep a good relationship with players, agents, but return is primary. We were also in a very good negotiating position in both so it worked out well.