2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins

[sunsfan1o1]

I’d do Will Barton and Reggie Jackson ASAP. If I had to choose it would be Barton. I just don’t think Monty would use him properly

I liked Barton for a long time but he's been really disappointing this year.

He’s probably depressed playing for the Wizards. Playing for a ring should lift him up to play like he did for the nuggets

[grumpysaddle]

If durant were 30, no brainer

But even two FRPs, wonder what they could have got

Oh well

Dragan Bender and Josh Jackson.

I just meant could they have kept the guys and gotten Anunoby or Russell and vandy. Dumped Shamet in a trade for like Rozier

I mean... Russell is hot garbage. Anunoby is at best Bridges 2.0. I am sad the twins are gone and it hurts, but we got **** Kevin Durant. Never in the history of the league has a player of his caliber been traded mid-season. I'm good with it, especially if Ishbia installs a front office that can navigate rebuilding on the fly while competing. It's gonna take a lot of work though, but I think the dudes on the team will get over it once they see how good KD is when he's on their team and they are winning.

It would be cool to bring back the twins in the next few seasons somehow, but that's probably a pipedream.

[bwgood77]

I wonder if Monty was happy with the trade.

If durant were 30, no brainer

But even two FRPs, wonder what they could have got

Oh well

Dragan Bender and Josh Jackson.

You're talking about McD. Is big trade was for Brandon Knight. Then when our starting PG wanted out, he was able to obtain Greg Monroe. He also traded picks 13, 27 and Bogdanovic for Chriss...that's basically 3 firsts.

[grumpysaddle]

If durant were 30, no brainer

But even two FRPs, wonder what they could have got

Oh well

Dragan Bender and Josh Jackson.

You're talking about McD. Is big trade was for Brandon Knight. Then when our starting PG wanted out, he was able to obtain Greg Monroe. He also traded picks 13, 27 and Bogdanovic for Chriss...that's basically 3 firsts.

Yeah, I was there for it. It was misery. I'll settle for having KD on the team with Booker. Who would have thought that would happen when we drafted Booker?

[bigfoot]

Trade for Barkley ... NBA finals
Trade for CP3 ... NBA finals
Trade for Durant ... ???

A lot of hope riding on Durant, Booker, and Ayton for the next three and a half years.

[bwgood77]

Dragan Bender and Josh Jackson.

3-5.
I just meant could they have kept the guys and gotten Anunoby or Russell and vandy. Dumped Shamet in a trade for like Rozier

I mean... Russell is hot garbage. Anunoby is at best Bridges 2.0. I am sad the twins are gone and it hurts, but we got **** Kevin Durant. Never in the history of the league has a player of his caliber been traded mid-season. I'm good with it, especially if Ishbia installs a front office that can navigate rebuilding on the fly while competing. It's gonna take a lot of work though, but I think the dudes on the team will get over it once they see how good KD is when he's on their team and they are winning.

It would be cool to bring back the twins in the next few seasons somehow, but that's probably a pipedream.

We just really need to beef up our scouting department and hit on some 2nd round picks and maybe UDFAs..then hit on our 24, 26 and 28 picks. We should have at least 3 developmental players from picks or signing UDFAs..the last 3 roster spots and the 2 ways.

We will also have to probably keep Craig and Bazley just to keep salary space on the books, but Craig is obviously useful as a rotation guy. The rest will be minimums. TJ will likely be gone unless he stays at the minimum or we want to spend the tax MLE on him. Not sure what types of players will be available for that. Damion Lee will likely be gone too unless we can keep him for those prices. Wll need to keep Payne and Shamet as well unless we trade one or two of those guys and Craig.

Any buyout guys are likely to only be here for this season unless they are ok with the minimum going forward.

[bwgood77]

Dragan Bender and Josh Jackson.

You're talking about McD. Is big trade was for Brandon Knight. Then when our starting PG wanted out, he was able to obtain Greg Monroe. He also traded picks 13, 27 and Bogdanovic for Chriss...that's basically 3 firsts.

Yeah, I was there for it. It was misery. I'll settle for having KD on the team with Booker. Who would have thought that would happen when we drafted Booker?

No one. Though my feeling on KD have changed significantly since that time. He's a baller though. At least he should bring us wins even if he isn't likable.

[lilfishi22]

I'm still trying to understand the Ishbia and James Jones dynamic in this trade. I heard on the radio and a couple of podcasts that Jones was shifting to a John Collins trade.with Atlanta, but Ishbia told Jones to swing for the fences and get KD from the Nets. If this is accurate then it could be problematic for JJ. Ishbia, from what little I have seen, is a very dynamic leader who isn't afraid to take smart risks where as James Jones is more of a builder from within. It feels like Ishbia had to tell Jones to get this done or otherwise we would have had John Collins.

Pretty sure it's exactly as you said. I can't remember the exact deal we were looking at in the offseason to get KD but I do recall Mikal was someone they wanted and we kind of moved on because we didn't want to trade Mikal. This time around the major difference is Ishbia. I think Ishbia wanted to get something big done, at almost any cost and this is why we included Mikal and the extra picks.

This is definitely an Ishbia led move with JJ working out the logistics and getting it done.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[bwgood77]

One interesting thing GoK will be happy about, is in the Saric trade, we gave OKC a 2029 2nd round pick.

It is interesting it is that far out. That leads me to believe they wanted to keep all of their seconds throughout the years we have to give away a first every other year.

Hopefully that's the case and we really beef up the scouting department. I'd really get some international scouts too given how many fall like Ginobili, Dragic, Jokic, etc.

Look at guys at small schools playing well, etc.

Smart high iq b-ball players. Athleticism is a plus but most of the super athletes are hit or miss and overdrafted. Not all, but most.

[lilfishi22]

With twitter there is no way in the world for a front office to make a phone call to a player before it hits the internet.

Yeah it really sucks. Especially at the time when it went down which I believe was pretty late in the night. There's guys I'm sure on Brooklyn's end just waiting to fire off the info to Woj/Shams as soon as the deal is agreed and there's just no way we could've gotten to Mikal/Cam before the Woj/Shams broke the story. I think Mikal did mention that he and Cam both had an inkling one or both of them could possibly be involved in a deal when KD first became available in the offseason. So they understand it's a business and they knew it was a possibility as far back as the offseason.

This is just the way it happens nowadays and it does suck it that there's so much we can't control

[TeamTragic]

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That second tweet is Cam Johnson’s brother.

This is just disrespectful man that two players who did so much for this team have to find out online that they’re being traded. Seriously? James Jones has to be better than this, these players aren’t some scrubs he got rid of.

You can hear the sadness about the trade in Bridges voice even when talking about it. And Cam looks sad as hell in that shot they took of him too.

Both players that drafted here and we saw develop here. I don’t think either one ever wanted to go anywhere else.

Seriously, if we just win 2 more games against the Bucks two years this trade never happens. Or if we manage to not f***k up a 2-0 lead to Dallas last season and at least make it to WCFs.

**** man why did you post that Rev?

Instant depression

[grumpysaddle]

You're talking about McD. Is big trade was for Brandon Knight. Then when our starting PG wanted out, he was able to obtain Greg Monroe. He also traded picks 13, 27 and Bogdanovic for Chriss...that's basically 3 firsts.

Yeah, I was there for it. It was misery. I'll settle for having KD on the team with Booker. Who would have thought that would happen when we drafted Booker?

No one. Though my feeling on KD have changed significantly since that time. He's a baller though. At least he should bring us wins even if he isn't likable.

I don't think he's unlikable. He made a questionable choice joining that Warriors' team, but in 20 years no one will talk about it, only that he got those 2 rings. I think most of the unlikeable parts were due to the other stars he was close to and decided to work with.

[bigfoot]

4 Out: Crowder, Bridges, Johnson, Saric
3 In: Durant, Warren, Bazley

So we have two open roster spots?

[bwgood77]

Yeah, I was there for it. It was misery. I'll settle for having KD on the team with Booker. Who would have thought that would happen when we drafted Booker?

No one. Though my feeling on KD have changed significantly since that time. He's a baller though. At least he should bring us wins even if he isn't likable.

I don't think he's unlikable. He made a questionable choice joining that Warriors' team, but in 20 years no one will talk about it, only that he got those 2 rings. I think most of the unlikeable parts were due to the other stars he was close to and decided to work with.

He is overly sensitive about anything said about him. Actually the most likable he had become since leaving OKC was when he was saying earlier this season that he was enjoying his team. Then again, I've never been a fan of all these superteams. They feel cheap to me. I don't mind that we have one now since several teams do, the LA teams, Dallas got Kyrie, the Pelicans got loads of picks for KD and luckily won the lottery with bad odds again. Teams like Denver and Memphis have a lot more respect from me. And the team we had built. Had we drafted Haliburton I would have been very happy with where we were...

Anyway, all his twitter stuff is cheap. He should go out and find himself a girl finally and not care what other people think. Though it does seem like he had started to get there this season.

[Ghost of Kleine]

One interesting thing GoK will be happy about, is in the Saric trade, we gave OKC a 2029 2nd round pick.

It is interesting it is that far out. That leads me to believe they wanted to keep all of their seconds throughout the years we have to give away a first every other year.

Hopefully that's the case and we really beef up the scouting department. I'd really get some international scouts too given how many fall like Ginobili, Dragic, Jokic, etc.

Look at guys at small schools playing well, etc.

Smart high iq b-ball players. Athleticism is a plus but most of the super athletes are hit or miss and overdrafted. Not all, but most.

Yeah! It is better to have assets be farther out rather considering our anticipated lack of overall cap flexibility and absence of any reasonable remaining assets too. It's situations like this wherein the vast majority of our total cap will be tied up in 4 players that substantiate the underlying value of the 2nd round picks that so many here satirize. But hopefully we can utilize the salient points you mentioned above to extract sustainable talent/ value to somewhat offset that which we gave up in the twins!

[bigfoot]

Durant spends 65% of his time at PF and 35% at C ... interesting.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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How should this statement on Durant be interpreted? Or should it even matter?

[KdoubleDees23]

Dragan Bender and Josh Jackson.

I just meant could they have kept the guys and gotten Anunoby or Russell and vandy. Dumped Shamet in a trade for like Rozier

I mean... Russell is hot garbage. Anunoby is at best Bridges 2.0. I am sad the twins are gone and it hurts, but we got **** Kevin Durant. Never in the history of the league has a player of his caliber been traded mid-season. I'm good with it, especially if Ishbia installs a front office that can navigate rebuilding on the fly while competing. It's gonna take a lot of work though, but I think the dudes on the team will get over it once they see how good KD is when he's on their team and they are winning.

It would be cool to bring back the twins in the next few seasons somehow, but that's probably a pipedream.

Some of these fans are so used to being mediocre or above average!!! It shows

Russel and Vanderbilt don’t make us contenders
OG doesn’t make us contenders

What have those players won? Multiple contracts ? Lol they haven’t won anything

Also - what players have those players mentioned attracted because they are ones to make your team a contender ? Ummmmmmmmm none

KD - mvp, Championship, finals , scoring champion etc ! He will also get us a buyout player where the others wouldn’t have

I would take 2 years of contending over 6 years of being good !

Also how many Draft picks since 2000 have come out on top ?

Amare
Ayton (any y’all hate him)
Booker
Bridges

And that’s it ! 4 in 23 years

I may be missing some , but that’s my memory

[bwgood77]

Durant spends 65% of his time at PF and 35% at C ... interesting.

Are you talking just this year? If so I think that's in large part to the Nets trying not to play Simmons and Claxton together, however, Simmons is really more playing the C role even if he brings the ball up because he scores at the rim and will usually defend the opposing C given his defensive versatility.