Trade Discussion 22/23

[41Dirk41]

Exactly. Here’s an example of a deal that could have been bad if it weren’t for Nico saying no thanks.

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Man a FRP for Thybulle? Are you serious? Only daoneandmoron wanted him for that price.
Not joking please.

Cavs and Heat wanted THJ, they overrated our players value like they did with Kleber years ago.
Powell is an expires, you can trade an expires everyday but probably Cuban will want to extend him again because he is his buddy.
PO 2023 and we have Dwight Powell starting C. Do you remember last year? That's embarassing.

Honestly it's incredible that they traded DFS and SD, maybe Cuban was drunk.

They went short again, it's easy justify them thinking about next OF because we will have cap space ecc ecc do you really want another Plan Powder?

Serious question, if you hate the players and your hate the front office and ownership and you hate the way they run the team and you’re not from Dallas why do you follow the Mavs and post on a Mavs message board. You know you’re more than free to follow another team right? The Lakers have room on their band wagon. I’m sure the Suns fans will accept you.

I don't hate the player, i can judge them objectively... When someone here consider DFS and Maxi limited then is called "no real Mavs fans" or "hater"
This is the level of basketball knowledge in the Mavs fanbase(perfect for our FO of course).

You, and others, were wrong a lot of time about players but you never made a step back.
The posts are here, everytime someone proposed a good trade i've read a lot of bullsh*t.
Now I'm out of patience and I say things as they are without censorship, someone should delete the account from how many crap he wrote... and even with arrogance. This is ridiculous.

I know that a board full of morons who thinks that all Mavs player are good could be a better place for your self-masurbation.
But check the reality sometimes.

[41Dirk41]

Exactly. Here’s an example of a deal that could have been bad if it weren’t for Nico saying no thanks.

Read on Twitter

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Man a FRP for Thybulle? Are you serious? Only daoneandmoron wanted him for that price.
Not joking please.

Cavs and Heat wanted THJ, they overrated our players value like they did with Kleber years ago.
Powell is an expires, you can trade an expires everyday but probably Cuban will want to extend him again because he is his buddy.
PO 2023 and we have Dwight Powell starting C. Do you remember last year? That's embarassing.

Honestly it's incredible that they traded DFS and SD, maybe Cuban was drunk.

They went short again, it's easy justify them thinking about next OF because we will have cap space ecc ecc do you really want another Plan Powder?

I’m guessing American English might not be your first language so maybe that tweet didn’t translate well. It is says that Nico did not want to do the trade for Thybulle because the Sixers wanted a FRP. Thybulle is not worst a 1st round pick so Nico declined the trade.

Also I believe if any team was willing to trade for THJ then the Mavs would have traded him. It’s likely a team that was willing to take in THJ’s contract would also want a FRP. Nico was not willing to trade picks and I’m ok with that. I’m also ok with them not willing to trade Green and Hardy. Better to make no deal than to make a bad deal.

Yes, my english is trash. I know.

But i said the same thing.

And for the bolded part, it's the same excuse from years.
Obviously we don't know the details of every Nico/Donnie/Cuban negotiation but it's the same old story.
Some FO can make good trades basically giving away nothing, we can't... And after years and years someone could think that the problem is our FO.
Is it so strange?
Everytime we need to touch the bottom for wake up Cuban.

[arkuo]

Man. Thybulle for a FRP. Get out of here LOL

[41Dirk41]

Exactly. Here’s an example of a deal that could have been bad if it weren’t for Nico saying no thanks.

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=ZufWmiV_moxdt_wJD4Qp8A

Man a FRP for Thybulle? Are you serious? Only daoneandmoron wanted him for that price.
Not joking please.

Cavs and Heat wanted THJ, they overrated our players value like they did with Kleber years ago.
Powell is an expires, you can trade an expires everyday but probably Cuban will want to extend him again because he is his buddy.
PO 2023 and we have Dwight Powell starting C. Do you remember last year? That's embarassing.

Honestly it's incredible that they traded DFS and SD, maybe Cuban was drunk.

They went short again, it's easy justify them thinking about next OF because we will have cap space ecc ecc do you really want another Plan Powder?

Counter point, they needed to improve when Luka was not on the floor and Kyrie does that unlike SD.

Also do I miss the hell out of DFS both a fan and on the court yes. Do I think Dallas could use DFS and he would help tremendously? For sure. But also as discussed many times before, Josh is ready for DFS’s spot. I know he doesn’t have the experience yet but he wasn’t going to get that experience behind DFS. Never mind the scoring he put up against the Jazz. The defense he put up against Kawhi yesterday was elite.

Also, and I think the rehashes a conversation we agree to never have again, but Dwight has been better this year on defense. And I think they need him right now. If nothing else he eats up minutes so that Maxi can rest and be ready for the playoffs. I’m not saying Dwight is gonna give us 30 in the playoffs but with his improved play he can give us 25-30 in the RS and 10-15 in the PO. And right now RS matters too. We still have some standings we need to climb.

No sorry my friend, maybe this year some miracles happen and Powell will become a player who can play in PO but in the past 5years he showed that he can't.
He is the worst starting C in PO history, but it's not his fault. He simply can't play at certain level.
And a couple of good RS games can't change his assessment.

Looney looks like Kareem last year.

We can only hope Wood stay focused (after they shopped him for 2months ) and Kidd let him play.

[Bob8]

I'm more concerned about Wood and where that situation is headed. Now that the TDL has passed, they have to re-sign him and he has to agree to an amount now or he walks.

It's not that big of a deal, he's a rotation big, and Mavs need it, next year, they'll re-evaluate.
He's not getting more than the MLE outside.

If Wood or his agent has dreams of a max, he's gone for sure. Mavs aren't maxing him out.

Wood is in a pretty bad situation too. If Mavs decide not to play him much, he won't get much in FA market. I would just play him as little as possible until he signs 2 years deal.

[dirkules_41]

Man. Thybulle for a FRP. Get out of here LOL

Agreed. What's next? a FRP for Ben the shooter Simmons?

[dirkules_41]

Would have been nice to address one of the three major issues, but no deals are better than a bad deal

Exactly. Here’s an example of a deal that could have been bad if it weren’t for Nico saying no thanks.

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=ZufWmiV_moxdt_wJD4Qp8A

Man a FRP for Thybulle? Are you serious? Only daoneandmoron wanted him for that price.
Not joking please.

Cavs and Heat wanted THJ, they overrated our players value like they did with Kleber years ago.
Powell is an expires, you can trade an expires everyday but probably Cuban will want to extend him again because he is his buddy.
PO 2023 and we have Dwight Powell starting C. Do you remember last year? That's embarassing.

Honestly it's incredible that they traded DFS and SD, maybe Cuban was drunk.

They went short again, it's easy justify them thinking about next OF because we will have cap space ecc ecc do you really want another Plan Powder?

Last year we had Boban to back up Powell. I feel much better with Wood and McGee. Not like any WCF teams have any beasty centers to guard.

[Mavrelous]

I like Thybulle but a 1st?

[arkuo]

I like Thybulle but a 1st?

A first is an overpay. Thybulle plays one side of the court. Mavs could use him for sure, but not for a first. I understand why Nico had to hold back on that. No deal is better.

[arkuo]

The trade deadline is so inflated you'd think Jared freakin Vanderbilt is Ron Artest reincarnated. Almost all teams have been throwing draft picks like crazy. When it's that type of situation, you just sit this one out and wait for the buyout market instead.

[swaggerbox]

I would have given the Sixers a first round pick to get my hands on Thybulle. I've been high on him since the 2019 draft and would have wanted the Mavs to get him if they had a pick. There's a reason why the Mavs and JKidd have been fascinated with his game since last TDL. He has incredible defensive awareness, much like what we see in Josh Green. Imagine having both on your team. Josh Green was also not an offensive threat in first few seasons but have significantly improved since this offseason. I have utmost confidence the Mavs can correct his jumper and have the same leap as Josh next season. The Mavs had their chance but I guess they're earmarking their remaining first round picks for a certified superstar.

[arkuo]

I would have given the Sixers a first round pick to get my hands on Thybulle. I've been high on him since the 2019 draft and would have wanted the Mavs to get him if they had a pick. There's a reason why the Mavs and JKidd have been fascinated with his game since last TDL. He has incredible defensive awareness, much like what we see in Josh Green. Imagine having both on your team. Josh Green was also not an offensive threat in first few seasons but have significantly improved since this offseason. I have utmost confidence the Mavs can correct his jumper and have the same leap as Josh next season. The Mavs had their chance but I guess they're earmarking their remaining first round picks for a certified superstar.

IF Kyrie were to sign a 4 year deal, then yes, you could do scorched earth and send out all assets possible. And i say that with a big IF. BUT, if there was a possibility of Kyrie walking in the summer, then you need to keep that 27 pick in your back pocket just in case. You never know.

[arkuo]

If Kyrie signs a 4 year deal extension with the Mavs, the team Im keeping an eye out for is Miami. They are basically done with Sixers, Milwaukee and Boston ruling the east for the next half decade. They dont have assets, they've maxed out their people and have no way of comepting with the 3 teams I mentioned. That being said, Jimmy Butler will have to be traded to give him a chance at a chip. He's 33 yes, but still good for 20PPG and some defense. Since THJ is from Miami, I'd like to send him plus our 2027 FRP and a bit more assets for Jimmy.

Luka, Kyrie and Jimmy should be balanced for both offense and defense.

Maybe THJ + Wood + 2027 FRP would get it done. Riley does right by Butler and gives him a shot at a ring, Miami gets value for the remaining playing years of Butler.

[dirkules_41]

I would have given the Sixers a first round pick to get my hands on Thybulle. I've been high on him since the 2019 draft and would have wanted the Mavs to get him if they had a pick. There's a reason why the Mavs and JKidd have been fascinated with his game since last TDL. He has incredible defensive awareness, much like what we see in Josh Green. Imagine having both on your team. Josh Green was also not an offensive threat in first few seasons but have significantly improved since this offseason. I have utmost confidence the Mavs can correct his jumper and have the same leap as Josh next season. The Mavs had their chance but I guess they're earmarking their remaining first round picks for a certified superstar.

IF Kyrie were to sign a 4 year deal, then yes, you could do scorched earth and send out all assets possible. And i say that with a big IF. BUT, if there was a possibility of Kyrie walking in the summer, then you need to keep that 27 pick in your back pocket just in case. You never know.

Exactly this. Once you lock up Kyrie you can throw all the chips in the middle. But until then you need to maintain some flexibility for the summer. And honestly this was probably the most frenzied TDL in history. Not the time to buy unless you really really have to. Some of the prices paid for average players were absurd.

[Apz]

Dont see why people want thybulle. Didnt we try the MKG experiemnent with an only defense and no offense player and it failed miserably?

Thybulle is worth a top 45 protected pick. Frank is more useful, atleast he can shoot even if he doesnt very often.

[dirkules_41]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270428/Nets-Were-Offered-Four-First-Round-Picks-By-Unnamed-Team-For-Mikal-Bridges

I mean look at this madness. Bridges is the perfect 3&D guy but 3-4 FRPs? Come on now... Inflation deadline.

[arkuo]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270428/Nets-Were-Offered-Four-First-Round-Picks-By-Unnamed-Team-For-Mikal-Bridges

I mean look at this madness. Bridges is the perfect 3&D guy but 3-4 FRPs? Come on now... Inflation deadline.

That team has got to be the Knicks LMAO

[dirkules_41]

Dont see why people want thybulle. Didnt we try the MKG experiemnent with an only defense and no offense player and it failed miserably?

Thybulle is worth a top 45 protected pick. Frank is more useful, atleast he can shoot even if he doesnt very often.

Agreed, unless he develops the ability to knock down wide open 3s at 35% or better he's essentially unplayable in today's NBA.

[arkuo]

Dont see why people want thybulle. Didnt we try the MKG experiemnent with an only defense and no offense player and it failed miserably?

Thybulle is worth a top 45 protected pick. Frank is more useful, atleast he can shoot even if he doesnt very often.

Agreed, unless he develops the ability to knock down wide open 3s at 35% or better he's essentially unplayable in today's NBA.

Thybulle has Andre Roberson value. Lengthy defender who cant shoot. The other guy is out of the league now.

Sixers were lucky to have joined that TDL wave of teams throwing picks left and right.

[41Dirk41]

Dont see why people want thybulle. Didnt we try the MKG experiemnent with an only defense and no offense player and it failed miserably?

Thybulle is worth a top 45 protected pick. Frank is more useful, atleast he can shoot even if he doesnt very often.

Agreed, unless he develops the ability to knock down wide open 3s at 35% or better he's essentially unplayable in today's NBA.

Thybulle has Andre Roberson value. Lengthy defender who cant shoot. The other guy is out of the league now.

Sixers were lucky to have joined that TDL wave of teams throwing picks left and right.

Agree.
If he can't play with Harden and Embiid i don't know where he could play...