Knicks trade for Josh Hart

[F N 11]

Slept on it, he will help a lot. Concerned with Thibs and front office still.

[Deeeez Knicks]

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[KnicksGadfly]

Man, had no idea that it was this important to get destroyed by the 3rd seed instead of the 2nd seed in the playoffs.

[Fury]

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Hart about to play 45 minutes a game

11.pg 13.3 rpg 3.2 apg 48% from the field

[ag3]

Man, had no idea that it was this important to get destroyed by the 3rd seed instead of the 2nd seed in the playoffs.

You are under rating how good Brunson is. And he proved last year that he is a monster in the playoffs as well.

The guy is a borderline star and NY fans just can't appreciate it yet.

[Fury]

Man, had no idea that it was this important to get destroyed by the 3rd seed instead of the 2nd seed in the playoffs.

After the Bucks and Celtics, what team is scary in the East

[DOT]

Man, had no idea that it was this important to get destroyed by the 3rd seed instead of the 2nd seed in the playoffs.

After the Bucks and Celtics, what team is scary in the East

Philly would wreck our sh*t, especially if Mitch misses time

Cleveland is a bad matchup for us

There's 4 teams right there who are guaranteed to be higher seeds than us

Brunson is damn good, and played like it last playoffs, but the rest of the roster is suspect come playoff time, and we're already not good defensively, so we're not gonna have another gear to kick it into in the postseason

We'd be lucky to win 2 games.

[Fury]

Man, had no idea that it was this important to get destroyed by the 3rd seed instead of the 2nd seed in the playoffs.

After the Bucks and Celtics, what team is scary in the East

Philly would wreck our sh*t, especially if Mitch misses time

Cleveland is a bad matchup for us

There's 4 teams right there who are guaranteed to be higher seeds than us

Brunson is damn good, and played like it last playoffs, but the rest of the roster is suspect come playoff time, and we're already not good defensively, so we're not gonna have another gear to kick it into in the postseason

We'd be lucky to win 2 games.

Meh, Philly is a chokejob waiting to happen

[HEZI]

Hard not to like Josh Hart. Really hope his Knicks tenure is a success.

[robillionaire]

After the Bucks and Celtics, what team is scary in the East

Philly would wreck our sh*t, especially if Mitch misses time

Cleveland is a bad matchup for us

There's 4 teams right there who are guaranteed to be higher seeds than us

Brunson is damn good, and played like it last playoffs, but the rest of the roster is suspect come playoff time, and we're already not good defensively, so we're not gonna have another gear to kick it into in the postseason

We'd be lucky to win 2 games.

Meh, Philly is a chokejob waiting to happen

I mean we beat these guys twice already. Maybe embiid/harden gets hurt. Easy to imagine. Idk. You have to put yourself in the position. If we lose we lose good try good effort

[DOT]

Meh, Philly is a chokejob waiting to happen

I agree

But not against us

They've made it past the 1st round 4 of the last 5 years. They've lost in the 2nd round each of those years, but they always take care of business in the 1st.

[god shammgod]

i don't see anyway we beat philly in a series. the one team i would give us a punchers chance against is cleveland. lots of young guys without experience. and we seem to play well against them. all their scoring comes mostly from small guards and we have guys who can defend them well. we struggle against wings more because we don't have wing defenders.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Philly would wreck our sh*t, especially if Mitch misses time

Cleveland is a bad matchup for us

There's 4 teams right there who are guaranteed to be higher seeds than us

Brunson is damn good, and played like it last playoffs, but the rest of the roster is suspect come playoff time, and we're already not good defensively, so we're not gonna have another gear to kick it into in the postseason

We'd be lucky to win 2 games.

Meh, Philly is a chokejob waiting to happen

I mean we beat these guys twice already. Maybe embiid/harden gets hurt. Easy to imagine. Idk. You have to put yourself in the position. If we lose we lose good try good effort

We were 3-0 against the Hawks before they chin checked us in the playoffs. The playoff ceiling for this team is very low because we play our starters heavy minutes and we don't really run any type of offense. So when everyone else decides it's time to give their guys 38-42 mpg we run into a brick wall.

[robillionaire]

Meh, Philly is a chokejob waiting to happen

I mean we beat these guys twice already. Maybe embiid/harden gets hurt. Easy to imagine. Idk. You have to put yourself in the position. If we lose we lose good try good effort

We were 3-0 against the Hawks before they chin checked us in the playoffs. The playoff ceiling for this team is very low because we play our starters heavy minutes and we don't really run any type of offense. So when everyone else decides it's time to give their guys 38-42 mpg we run into a brick wall.

Yes and we will likely lose in the first round if we even get in the playoffs at all. This was supposed to be at best maybe a .500 play-in team so I’m keeping my expectations in line with where they were to start the season. But I hope they go as far as possible. Who knows. We have Brunson. I saw him beat the jazz almost by himself last year. Maybe an injury happens. That’s about all we can hope for as far as this season

[ag3]

Meh, Philly is a chokejob waiting to happen

I mean we beat these guys twice already. Maybe embiid/harden gets hurt. Easy to imagine. Idk. You have to put yourself in the position. If we lose we lose good try good effort

We were 3-0 against the Hawks before they chin checked us in the playoffs. The playoff ceiling for this team is very low because we play our starters heavy minutes and we don't really run any type of offense. So when everyone else decides it's time to give their guys 38-42 mpg we run into a brick wall.

Not the same. We didn't have Brunson. Brunson is a stud and performs in the playoffs.

[Knicksfan1992]

Don't buy that Cleveland is a bad matchup for us.

Grimes has bothered Mitchell every time we've played them and it's much easier to gameplan against 2 shot creators who are under 6'5" than it is against say Milwaukee with Giannis and Middleton or the Celtics with Tatum and Brown.

They have a designated player in every ideation of their rotation that we can hide Brunson on since they don't really have a consistent shot creating or shooting wing. On top.of that we know athletic lengthy guys are Brunsons Achilles heel and Cavs are really devoid of any outside of Okoro who is an offensive minus at this point. And if they put Okoro on Brunson it means RJ gets one of Mitchell or Garland on him which should allow him to either get downhill or post.

The Cavs will give us issues because of the size of their frontcourt for sure though and the fact that their shot makers are more efficient than ours but out of the top 4 they are the team that scares me the least given their deficiencies on the wing.

[god shammgod]

Don't buy that Cleveland is a bad matchup for us.

Grimes has bothered Mitchell every time we've played them and it's much easier to gameplan against 2 shot creators who are under 6'5" than it is against say Milwaukee with Giannis and Middleton or the Celtics with Tatum and Brown.

They have a designated player in every ideation of their rotation that we can hide Brunson on since they don't really have a consistent shot creating or shooting wing. On top.of that we know athletic lengthy guys are Brunsons Achilles heel and Cavs are really devoid of any outside of Okoro who is an offensive minus at this point. And if they put Okoro on Brunson it means RJ gets one of Mitchell or Garland on him which should allow him to either get downhill or post.

The Cavs will give us issues because of the size of their frontcourt for sure though and the fact that their shot makers are more efficient than ours but out of the top 4 they are the team that scares me the least given their deficiencies on the wing.

yep. just said something similar. they would still probably win but i would rather play them.

[DOT]

Grimes has bothered Mitchell every time we've played them and it's much easier to gameplan against 2 shot creators who are under 6'5" than it is against say Milwaukee with Giannis and Middleton or the Celtics with Tatum and Brown.

Who's guarding Garland in this scenario?

Brunson? RJ?

The only viable lineup would be to bench RJ for Hart, but then that gives them a favorable matchup on defense because they can put Garland/Mitchell on Grimes/Hart and not worry about it cause those guys aren't creating with the ball in their hands. Then it's either Okoro or LeVert on Brunson, and vice-versa. Okoro for defense when they need to stop Brunson, LeVert for offense when they need to take advantage of him. At best, it's a wash

And then you're hoping that Randle doesn't melt down again, which you need him to do against a great defensive frontcourt in Mobley/Allen

The only way it works in our favor is if we accept that Brunson is gonna have to go against Garland on both ends, and hope he's able to outduel him, and even then, he's likely not getting much help from the rest of the roster while Garland can lose more than he wins and still have the better support

Plus, Thibs is Thibs. He isn't gonna be able to adjust when things start going awry.

[Deeeez Knicks]

We are still probably first round exit playoff team but you never know.

Thibs might be a liability in the playoffs too

[Knicksfan1992]

Grimes has bothered Mitchell every time we've played them and it's much easier to gameplan against 2 shot creators who are under 6'5" than it is against say Milwaukee with Giannis and Middleton or the Celtics with Tatum and Brown.

Who's guarding Garland in this scenario?

Brunson? RJ?

The only viable lineup would be to bench RJ for Hart, but then that gives them a favorable matchup on defense because they can put Garland/Mitchell on Grimes/Hart and not worry about it cause those guys aren't creating with the ball in their hands. Then it's either Okoro or LeVert on Brunson, and vice-versa. Okoro for defense when they need to stop Brunson, LeVert for offense when they need to take advantage of him. At best, it's a wash

And then you're hoping that Randle doesn't melt down again, which you need him to do against a great defensive frontcourt in Mobley/Allen

The only way it works in our favor is if we accept that Brunson is gonna have to go against Garland on both ends, and hope he's able to outduel him, and even then, he's likely not getting much help from the rest of the roster while Garland can lose more than he wins and still have the better support

Plus, Thibs is Thibs. He isn't gonna be able to adjust when things start going awry.

We've seen Thibs go Brunson/IQ/Grimes late in games plenty of times before. Also Hart now gives us another POA option that we did not have previously. Like I said you'll always be able to hide Brunson on someone given the Cavs rotation.

The thing that bothers the Knicks most is length and teams that can rebound with them. Cavs don't have the length on the wing that the other top teams in the East do.

Mobley and Allen are great defenders but are not as physically strong as ATLs front line was. Collins and Capella when push came to shove could hold up enough against Randles bully ball mentality. Mobley and Allen are a little different in that regard. Also assuming health having Mitch would make a bigger difference here than a C rotation of Noel and Taj.

Not saying we would be favored or anything but out of the top 4 they are easily the team that I would pick to play against.