the new new era 2.0 - post deadline discussion

[Tha King]

Dinwiddie
Bridges
Cam Johnson
DFS or O'Neale
Claxton

I think that will be the starting five. Get by on strong, switchable defense and ball movement and threes on offense.

[Netaman]

Dinwiddie
Bridges
Cam Johnson
DFS or O'Neale
Claxton

I think that will be the starting five. Get by on strong, switchable defense and ball movement and threes on offense.

i want to see Cam get a shot because they need someone who can get to the basket but that's a pretty enticing 2-4.

[Papi_swav]

So Bridges and Claxton are the 2 guys I consider untouchable. 2 guys that can play on both sides of the floor with top tier level defense. We'll consolidate a bunch of these role player guys and maybe some picks to trade for a legit star in the offseason, if not next year trade deadline or next summer. Then we'll sign another star to go along these 2 building blocks. Future is looking bright

[MrDollarBills]

Dinwiddie
Bridges
Cam Johnson
DFS or O'Neale
Claxton

I think that will be the starting five. Get by on strong, switchable defense and ball movement and threes on offense.

I think Bridges is going to have to be the guy to make a leap here.

[Netaman]

Dinwiddie
Bridges
Cam Johnson
DFS or O'Neale
Claxton

I think that will be the starting five. Get by on strong, switchable defense and ball movement and threes on offense.

I think Bridges is going to have to be the guy to make a leap here.

he was making the leap the last few weeks without booker. check the usage% trend. he was up above 20 ppg without a minutes increase or dip in fg% when booker was out all january.

[Decipher]

Does my head in that some thought we'd be worse after the Kyrie trade when the Nets had a losing record with Kyrie/wo KD

To put it simply, we had too many midgets to defend anyone consistently & his offensive brilliance wasn't enough to make up for it

This new roster is going to win lots of RS games without KD as well because it's now stacked with long, legitimate, HEALTHY NBA players

As such, I don't think that we'll fall much in the standings (if at all) but our ceiling is probably capped at 2nd round unless Simmons does a Lazarus

[TheNetsFan]

Does my head in that some thought we'd be worse after the Kyrie trade when the Nets had a losing record with Kyrie/wo KD

To put it simply, we had too many midgets to defend anyone consistently & his offensive brilliance wasn't enough to make up for it

This new roster is going to win lots of RS games without KD as well because it's now stacked with long, legitimate, HEALTHY NBA players

As such, I don't think that we'll fall much in the standings (if at all) but our ceiling is probably capped at 2nd round unless Simmons does a Lazarus

I agree with this. We're built for regular season success, but lack that guy that can consistently get his own shot. Cam & Dinwiddie are ok at that, but very erratic. The biggest thing we'll miss is KD's ability to contain opposing runs by getting a couple baskets on his own.

For this team to realize playoff success, the ball really has to move. The only chance is to have system and defense triumph over individual talent. It cannot stick in Cam or Dinwiddie's hands.

[NetsWorld]

Does my head in that some thought we'd be worse after the Kyrie trade when the Nets had a losing record with Kyrie/wo KD

To put it simply, we had too many midgets to defend anyone consistently & his offensive brilliance wasn't enough to make up for it

This new roster is going to win lots of RS games without KD as well because it's now stacked with long, legitimate, HEALTHY NBA players

As such, I don't think that we'll fall much in the standings (if at all) but our ceiling is probably capped at 2nd round unless Simmons does a Lazarus

I agree with this. We're built for regular season success, but lack that guy that can consistently get his own shot. Cam & Dinwiddie are ok at that, but very erratic. The biggest thing we'll miss is KD's ability to contain opposing runs by getting a couple baskets on his own.

For this team to realize playoff success, the ball really has to move. The only chance is to have system and defense triumph over individual talent. It cannot stick in Cam or Dinwiddie's hands.

Hence, it will always be star's league. Have to wonder what contenders this year will be sellers in the off season or next season. Nets are waiting to pounce; also, I doubt Nets do business the Raptors.

[NetsJets]

We fixed one problem now we have another problem. We don’t have an elite scorer anymore. This team will be competitive they will give teams fits down the stretch. I’m interested in watching Claxton continue his development and Bridges in a bigger role.

C- Claxton
PF- Johnson
SF- Bridges
SG- O’Neale
PG- Dinwiddie

[Stone]

The question now is, who will be back next season? Out of the 17 players we have on the roster, only Seth and Yuta are UFA's. The we have Cam Johnson with an 8mil qualifying offer and David Duke with a 1.7 Mil QO also.

What is the total cap? Because as is for next season we have $145,000,000 committed before the QO's.

We also have quite a few expiring contracts also.

Spenser 21Mil
Joe 20 Mil
Royce 9.5 Mil
Nic 8.75
Patty 6.8
Sumner 2.3

Who are the expendable players and who are the must keeps?

[MrDollarBills]

Does my head in that some thought we'd be worse after the Kyrie trade when the Nets had a losing record with Kyrie/wo KD

To put it simply, we had too many midgets to defend anyone consistently & his offensive brilliance wasn't enough to make up for it

This new roster is going to win lots of RS games without KD as well because it's now stacked with long, legitimate, HEALTHY NBA players

As such, I don't think that we'll fall much in the standings (if at all) but our ceiling is probably capped at 2nd round unless Simmons does a Lazarus

People are casuals man. I dunno how anyone can look at this roster and think that we'd be bad. Are we a contender? No. But we're not trash either. It cracked me up that Charles Barkley was calling the Nets garbage and by the end of the game he was upset at the Bulls for getting handled by us. We have multiple wing defenders and shooters.

You add a legit scoring all star to this roster and we'll be right back in the mix.

[MrDollarBills]

The question now is, who will be back next season? Out of the 17 players we have on the roster, only Seth and Yuta are UFA's. The we have Cam Johnson with an 8mil qualifying offer and David Duke with a 1.7 Mil QO also.

What is the total cap? Because as is for next season we have $145,000,000 committed before the QO's.

We also have quite a few expiring contracts also.

Spenser 21Mil
Joe 20 Mil
Royce 9.5 Mil
Nic 8.75
Patty 6.8
Sumner 2.3

Who are the expendable players and who are the must keeps?

Nic is a keeper, Yuta i would bring back as well but someone is going to overpay for him. We've got to get rid of Simmons' contract.

i need to look at the cap situation because i'm unclear on how we're going to have space available for the 2024 offseason.

[MrDollarBills]

We fixed one problem now we have another problem. We don’t have an elite scorer anymore. This team will be competitive they will give teams fits down the stretch. I’m interested in watching Claxton continue his development and Bridges in a bigger role.

C- Claxton
PF- Johnson
SF- Bridges
SG- O’Neale
PG- Dinwiddie

We might have to start DFS at PF and slide Royce to the bench.

[MrDollarBills]

Also, we need to be patient with Cam. Last night was a good example of why structure will play a role in his development. He can't have tunnel vision, he has to draw defenders and move the ball. His drive and pass to Yuta should be shown to him in film study. That is how he needs to play.

[NetsJets]

We fixed one problem now we have another problem. We don’t have an elite scorer anymore. This team will be competitive they will give teams fits down the stretch. I’m interested in watching Claxton continue his development and Bridges in a bigger role.

C- Claxton
PF- Johnson
SF- Bridges
SG- O’Neale
PG- Dinwiddie

We might have to start DFS at PF and slide Royce to the bench.

Who plays the 2?

[Netaman]

the only way cam is going to learn (or not learn) is by getting a chance so i hope they give him a good 5-10 game stretch starting to see if he can make adjustments to his decision making based on how much attention he's getting now.

if he can't, for me next man up is simmons if he keeps playing like last night because he has the upside. even if he just plays a little bit better maybe that makes him tradeable in the offseason.

those 2 are the young assets they need to develop as if it's yesteryear like they did with dlo.

1 other interesting quirk i noticed this am, marks chose to get all of phoenix' picks in the same years we own our own picks.

so in each of 2023, 2025, 2027, 2029 they have 2 (or more) frps.
while in 2024, 2026 they have 0 frps.

that would seem to set up a situation where every other year they will have the ammo to identify players they like in the lotto and move up. especially in a year like this one where they will go into the offseason with most of their 9/10 man rotation still under contract for next year, moving up to take 1 player with higher potential than 2 with lower is good business.

it would be nice to see the marksman get a top 10 pick for once and add a real instant impact young guy on a rookie deal. my guess is its a strong possibility we see that happen in either 23 or 25.

[TheNetsFan]

The question now is, who will be back next season? Out of the 17 players we have on the roster, only Seth and Yuta are UFA's. The we have Cam Johnson with an 8mil qualifying offer and David Duke with a 1.7 Mil QO also.

What is the total cap? Because as is for next season we have $145,000,000 committed before the QO's.

We also have quite a few expiring contracts also.

Spenser 21Mil
Joe 20 Mil
Royce 9.5 Mil
Nic 8.75
Patty 6.8
Sumner 2.3

Who are the expendable players and who are the must keeps?

I think we're going to go big game hunting. Combine a few contracts & a slew of draft picks and chase a star if one becomes available. Just a hunch. If you drop a star in a lineup with Bridges, Claxton & Johnson/DFS/Royce, you can really compete.

The cap is projected to be $134mil & the luxury tax threshold is projected at $162mil. One would think that if we don't land a star, Tsai/Marks may want to duck below it next year & try to get the repeater tax reset going forward. A lot depends on what happens with Johnson. How big of an offer sheet does he get? Will we match? He'll probably be looking to get around $20mil per year. Marks has been diligent about clearing the '24 books. Does he want Johnson under contract past that? Does DFS gets moved (assuming we are prioritizing cap space)?

The books are lined up to be mostly clear in '24. Barring extensions, it is a free agent class headlined by Jaylen Brown, Siakam & OG, plus older players like LeBron, Leonard and George. It's a deep, but generally an older class of FAs. Barring extensions, '25 has Giannis, Tatum, Mitchell, Ingram, Davis, Murray, Brunson, and older guys like Holiday & Butler. '25 is also the year of a potential cap spike due to a new TV deal, and when Simmons will be off the books. If the players refuse cap smoothing again, projections have the cap at potentially $171mil or higher in 2025. There's value in having players locked into deals before a cap spike, but there's also value to potentially having 2 max salary slots available in a very good FA class.

[TheNetsFan]

1 other interesting quirk i noticed this am, marks chose to get all of phoenix' picks in the same years we own our own picks.

so in each of 2023, 2025, 2027, 2029 they have 2 (or more) frps.
while in 2024, 2026 they have 0 frps.

that would seem to set up a situation where every other year they will have the ammo to identify players they like in the lotto and move up. especially in a year like this one where they will go into the offseason with most of their 9/10 man rotation still under contract for next year, moving up to take 1 player with higher potential than 2 with lower is good business.

it would be nice to see the marksman get a top 10 pick for once and add a real instant impact young guy on a rookie deal. my guess is its a strong possibility we see that happen in either 23 or 25.

It was a tough dilemma. What's more valuable, 4 first round picks with one swap or 3 first round picks with 4 swaps? We didn't get '24 or '26 swaps, because we did not have picks to swap. If you expect Phoenix to be better than us for a couple of years, then prioritize the picks. I also think it helps that this is projected to be a very good, very deep draft, so having 2 picks this year was probably a priority. There's always the potential to trade a pick on draft night for a pick in a future draft, but my gut is that we take 2 this year & hope they're ready to contribute in year 2 after the majority of the team hits free agency.

[Netaman]

obviously some of those FA fit, but i dont know that there's any individual listed about other than tatum who elevates the whole roster to contender level. imo siakam and brown dont, they already have a few OGs, and who knows what the deal is with lebron, leonard, and george. they are in the twilight so i doubt they choose to come here. maybe if mitchell doesnt extend.

of the existing mvp level players doncic is probably the one with the best chance of getting moved in the next 2-4 years. but i guess you never know and maybe someone else comes out of nowhere.

i really think the path this time is using all the picks to hopefully find a doncic/mitchell/tatum/brown in the draft. easier said then done but the draft has been marks best thing and he's never had the assets to get up that high before, now he does.

[Netaman]

1 other interesting quirk i noticed this am, marks chose to get all of phoenix' picks in the same years we own our own picks.

so in each of 2023, 2025, 2027, 2029 they have 2 (or more) frps.
while in 2024, 2026 they have 0 frps.

that would seem to set up a situation where every other year they will have the ammo to identify players they like in the lotto and move up. especially in a year like this one where they will go into the offseason with most of their 9/10 man rotation still under contract for next year, moving up to take 1 player with higher potential than 2 with lower is good business.

it would be nice to see the marksman get a top 10 pick for once and add a real instant impact young guy on a rookie deal. my guess is its a strong possibility we see that happen in either 23 or 25.

It was a tough dilemma. What's more valuable, 4 first round picks with one swap or 3 first round picks with 4 swaps? We didn't get '24 or '26 swaps, because we did not have picks to swap. If you expect Phoenix to be better than us for a couple of years, then prioritize the picks. I also think it helps that this is projected to be a very good, very deep draft, so having 2 picks this year was probably a priority. There's always the potential to trade a pick on draft night for a pick in a future draft, but my gut is that we take 2 this year & hope they're ready to contribute in year 2 after the majority of the team hits free agency.

id always take picks over swaps. if you are trying to win the swaps are manageable unless you're incompetent like billy king.