the new new era 2.0 - post deadline discussion

[MGrand15]

Straight up - I'm super excited about this core and I think we'll be better than people think. DFS being the 3rd best defender in the starting lineup is ridiculous. Cam Johnson is a lights out shooter with a 6'10 wingspan. He's a good defender too. Bridges and Claxton are going to make life HELL for ball handlers. Claxton has been playing at borderline all star level already. We have so much shooting and length on this team.

Dinwiddie
Bridges
Cam Johnson
DFS
Claxton

Bench:
Cam Thomas
Harris/Sumner
Yuta
Royce
Ben

Third String:
Sharpe
Curry
Mills

I was mad at the team for not grabbing a backup C but I think this is a chance for Ben to learn to play that spot. As a non-shooter, he needs to be able to do it. Period. Some teams will give him a lot of trouble but a lot of the league is pretty weak at backup C.

Cam Thomas also needs to keep working on defense and decision making until he can start. Cam Johnson / DFS are too good to bench. In my mind, you give Dinwiddie a chance to run the offense, see if Bridges can be a secondary scorer as a starter. Let Cam play 28+ minutes off the bench with a big role. If that doesn't work, you can adjust.

Overall, this team has great balance. Potentially terrifying defense. Guys with room to grow offensively. Cam honestly might be a special player. Claxton has shown that he might be all star level right now. Bridges and Johnson have improved every year.

BTW that Phoenix pick might be solid this year. Phoenix is only 3 games over .500. 27 games left. We'd have the 18th pick in the draft if it was today. Lots of messiness in the standings. I'm not saying it'll be a lottery pick (that would be hilarious) but it won't be 27 to 30 for sure.

[Hello Brooklyn]

We are actually too deep at this point.

This roster is loaded with good to very good players and almost everyone of them is young with further legitimate potential.

I think you’re going to see an attempt at a consolidation trade for a young star this summer.

With good health, this is a roster that will at absolute minimum be a play-in team for the next 4 years, without a big trade or big free agent signing. Most of our own picks are gone, but we’ll still have multiple shots at high lottery beginning in 2025 as well.

I do not think they’ll make a trade just to make one, but if a big move that makes sense is there, they’re going to spring into action.

Something like trading up for a can’t miss prospect like Dallas did for Doncic, or maybe SGA becomes available, Jamal Murray, KAT, or something real crazy like Ja Morant, or say Brandon Ingram.

Luka is the long term play.

Send Kyrie to Dallas to ruin the Mavericks.

Then you have the assets to trade for him when he asks out.

Marks is playing Chess.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Nets will look to cut money at some point.

I just hope they don't give up any of our draft picks.

Good chance Harris and Simmons get dumped this off season.

Curry is basically gone. I hope we resign Cam Johnson.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I think this team is honestly WAY better than the 2019 Nets. We had a lot of fluky wins that year.

This team is probably one of the best defensive teams in the league. The offense isn't great. But that why you need Cam to develop and become a good scorer.

We will eventually need a star to come here either through draft, FA or trade to truly contend. Lets see how it plays out.

A lot depends on how good Cam can be.

[Netaman]

maybe this is recency bias after watching Lavine look really spry last night he'd be pretty high up on the list for me fitting with this group. doesn't get them to championship level or anything but i think he'd firmly put them in the 45+ win tier.

3 frps, simmons, and cam t. for lavine?

dinwiddie / patty
lavine / oneale
bridges
camj / dfs
claxton

that's a pretty solid group that i think fits together.

[CalamityX12]

we need a big.

Dedmon, Ibaka, even Noel if bought should be inquired upon. whether we like it or not LOL... how is there no big man pool to pick from these days?

[CalamityX12]

maybe this is recency bias after watching Lavine look really spry last night he'd be pretty high up on the list for me fitting with this group. doesn't get them to championship level or anything but i think he'd firmly put them in the 45+ win tier.

3 frps, simmons, and cam t. for lavine?

dinwiddie / patty
lavine / oneale
bridges
camj / dfs
claxton

that's a pretty solid group that i think fits together.

pass on Lavine, the contract is bad for him with his knees.

He would be more attractive if KD needed a running mate, sure, but since we don't have one, we don't need him.

Save our firsts for someone much better.

[Keith Van Horn]

i think you answered it, they likely won't be starting. I assume they'll give Ben some big minutes because he's the second biggest guy on the team but i can't imagine there are high hopes there.

I'd rather Sumner play over Curry. Sumner is signed for next year and gives the team athleticism and can make plays off the dribble. There really is no point in playing Curry over him.

I don't know where Harris is going to get minutes.

Sumner over Seth all day, I'd really like to see us push the pace at any opportunity with the personnel we got now.

Seth and Joe should be out of the rotation altogether, use as break in case of emergency type guys.

I think Joe read this post last night

[gigantes]

Not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but I feel that yet another example of Marks screwing up was in not grabbing Cam Reddish, who Portland somehow snatched up instead of us.

Reddish is 1) talented, 2) long, 3) has that nice Duke pedigree, 4) is still pretty young, and 5) most importantly, his first name is "Cameron."

Dude would have fit in nicely here.
#FireMarksNow, #TsaiNeedsToSell

[Keith Van Horn]

questions:

- Is Cam Johnson really a PF? If so, would he be a good fit to start next to Claxton?

- Where does DFS play at, 3/4?

- Can we start experimenting with Simmons as a backup "big"? I guess we need to have some other length/rebounders on the floor too?

- When does the buy market stuff start up, March?

[3pt_chucker]

It's one game but I was really impressed with DFS last night. I know he's on the older side for a retool(29) but in the short term he's a really nice piece and should be starting over Royce. While Royce is the better shooter, DFS is superior defender and even more importantly rebounder. With the switch heavy scheme, you need your wings and guards to be good rebounders. With the new size on the roster, Nets rebounding should be loads better.

The 2 guard spot is really interesting right now as it's the one spot up for grabs. Din - X - Bridges - DFS -Clax should 100% be the starters. The candidates for that spot are: Cam T, Cam J, Royce.

I think for now, Cam Thomas is in pencil as 2 guard because his potential shot creation is really needed with this lineup and with the size and defending around him, his deficiencies can be masked. I'd give him till the all-star break then reassess.

The next option is sliding Bridges to the 2 spot(I love that he's so versatile!) and play play Cam J at the 3/4. Looking at some of his highlights and from what I remember from watching him, he would be fine as an interchangeable 3/4 wing. On offense, he can spot up as an elite shooter, can cut/slash, can attack a close out and finish at the rim well. On defense his metrics are really good and can shut down wings and guards (not Bigs). In this lineup, Dinwiddie would have to be a playmaker, with Bridges handling secondary actions PnRs which he has shown recently he can do. Nets offense rn is perfect for this lineup, with all the handoffs, screening, passing and cutting.

The conservative option to keep continuity, is to start Royce which I can see JV doing. Din-Bridges-Royce-DFS-Clax is really offensively challenged but would be suffocating on defense. This would be pure prison ball but I can see JV starting this lineup to start 5 mins of each half.

Lastly, I'm low key happy we kept Seth because he can just inject instant offense off the bench and his defense is less of a worry with all the wings around him. He can be a flame thrower off the bench(along with Joe) which can get the Nets back in games or stretch leads depending on the need.

Oh and keep an eye on these stretch 5 Yuta lineups which can be electric in the right matchup. Din-CJ/CT-Bridges-DFS-Yuta is such a fun lineup. All in all I'm excited for the short and long term future.

[Hello Brooklyn]

maybe this is recency bias after watching Lavine look really spry last night he'd be pretty high up on the list for me fitting with this group. doesn't get them to championship level or anything but i think he'd firmly put them in the 45+ win tier.

3 frps, simmons, and cam t. for lavine?

dinwiddie / patty
lavine / oneale
bridges
camj / dfs
claxton

that's a pretty solid group that i think fits together.

Hard pass for me. Lavine is not good enough to be a #1 on a title team.

We need to wait for a bigger star to want out. Someone like Embiid, Luka, Giannis, Jokic etc.

[TheNetsFan]

BTW that Phoenix pick might be solid this year. Phoenix is only 3 games over .500. 27 games left. We'd have the 18th pick in the draft if it was today. Lots of messiness in the standings. I'm not saying it'll be a lottery pick (that would be hilarious) but it won't be 27 to 30 for sure.

They're only half a game out of the play-in. Their schedule isn't that difficult, but if they take a while to adjust or if they suffer any significant injuries, they can easily fall into the play-in, and if you lose in the play-in you're a lottery team. As of today, we'd have the 18th and 24th picks in the draft.

[MGrand15]

questions:

- Is Cam Johnson really a PF? If so, would he be a good fit to start next to Claxton?

- Where does DFS play at, 3/4?

- Can we start experimenting with Simmons as a backup "big"? I guess we need to have some other length/rebounders on the floor too?

- When does the buy market stuff start up, March?

I'm sure a PHX fan would know better but I always felt like Bridges is a 2/3 and Cam Johnson is a 3/4. They both had to bump down a spot since Devin Booker is an elite 2. We don't have a star at 2 so they can move up to their natural positions and give us a ton of length there.

DFS seems to be a 4/5 in our system.

[MrDollarBills]

maybe this is recency bias after watching Lavine look really spry last night he'd be pretty high up on the list for me fitting with this group. doesn't get them to championship level or anything but i think he'd firmly put them in the 45+ win tier.

3 frps, simmons, and cam t. for lavine?

dinwiddie / patty
lavine / oneale
bridges
camj / dfs
claxton

that's a pretty solid group that i think fits together.

LaVine had a nasty play last night where he cooked DFS

https://youtube.com/shorts/LIc-aBmhJpE

I'm not trading 3 1st rders for him tho

[Lachiebkn]

Maybe we draft our elite scorer.

[Netaman]

maybe this is recency bias after watching Lavine look really spry last night he'd be pretty high up on the list for me fitting with this group. doesn't get them to championship level or anything but i think he'd firmly put them in the 45+ win tier.

3 frps, simmons, and cam t. for lavine?

dinwiddie / patty
lavine / oneale
bridges
camj / dfs
claxton

that's a pretty solid group that i think fits together.

LaVine had a nasty play last night where he cooked DFS

https://youtube.com/shorts/LIc-aBmhJpE

I'm not trading 3 1st rders for him tho

presumably 1 of those is to offset the negative value of ben's deal. but if lavine's deal is considered similarly negative value then maybe it's cheaper.

and yes a few of those plays he made above the rim last night definitely influenced this idea. when he has it going he's an impressive talent.

[MrDollarBills]

maybe this is recency bias after watching Lavine look really spry last night he'd be pretty high up on the list for me fitting with this group. doesn't get them to championship level or anything but i think he'd firmly put them in the 45+ win tier.

3 frps, simmons, and cam t. for lavine?

dinwiddie / patty
lavine / oneale
bridges
camj / dfs
claxton

that's a pretty solid group that i think fits together.

LaVine had a nasty play last night where he cooked DFS

https://youtube.com/shorts/LIc-aBmhJpE

I'm not trading 3 1st rders for him tho

presumably 1 of those is to offset the negative value of ben's deal. but if lavine's deal is considered similarly negative value then maybe it's cheaper.

and yes a few of those plays he made above the rim last night definitely influenced this idea. when he has it going he's an impressive talent.

LaVine is a good player, but I have yet to see where his game and production have any real impact on winning. I think we'll have to be patient to find the guy that will put this group into contender category.

[Lachiebkn]

The more I watch of bridges, he has a lot of kd about him. 3 level scorer with long arms who can score over smaller defenders. I’m not saying he will be kd but has the potential to be a multi time all star if he continues to grow. He will definitely leave no stone unturned

[Hello Brooklyn]

Bridges>Ingram in my view.

Ingram always hurt and terrible on defense.