Knicks trade for Josh Hart

[dakomish23]

If I was coaching, it would be RJ off the bench. Get him away from the ISO fest in the starting lineup. He is not a basic player that could just shoot 3’s or defend the rim. He could be a floor game guy but he doesn’t do it.

Let him be dynamic with the ball in his hands and the bench unit which moves the ball better. He’ll still play 30 MPG. He’ll still close a lot of games out. He’ll be happier.

Manu and Iggy did it. He’ll have to accept it too

[Polk377]

If I was coaching, it would be RJ off the bench. Get him away from the ISO fest in the starting lineup. He is not a basic player that could just shoot 3’s or defend the rim. He could be a floor game guy but he doesn’t do it.

Let him be dynamic with the ball in his hands and the bench unit which moves the ball better. He’ll still play 30 MPG. He’ll still close a lot of games out. He’ll be happier.

Manu and Iggy did it. He’ll have to accept it too

That is why they bring him back in to play with the bench. It will still likely be IQ-Hart-RJ-Obi-I-Hart playing the majority of bench minutes in the 2nd quarter.

[thebuzzardman]

Doesn't work that way. At the least, they exchanged that trail for Hart, who was also a 1st rounder, so -1

=2

Then Atl used 2 picks to get Murray while the Knicks used 2 to get Hart...

Atlanta gave 4 picks including 3 unprotected for Murray. Knicks gave one protected and another heavily protected (for cam) for Hart.

But other than the fact they are very different I agree they are totally the same.

Why can’t people just enjoy best stretch of Knicks ball in last 20 years? Plus the fact they are doing with a young core with some homegrown talent.

*insert photo of RealGM Knicks Tour bus here*

[thebuzzardman]

Over his last ten games, Josh Hart shot .208 from three. Just putting it out there.

That must be better than RJ, right? Right? ....right?

[thebuzzardman]

Man, had no idea that it was this important to get destroyed by the 3rd seed instead of the 2nd seed in the playoffs.

CULTCHA!!!

[thebuzzardman]

Man, had no idea that it was this important to get destroyed by the 3rd seed instead of the 2nd seed in the playoffs.

After the Bucks and Celtics, what team is scary in the East

Philly would push our sh*t in, especially if Mitch misses time

Cleveland is a bad matchup for us

There's 4 teams right there who are guaranteed to be higher seeds than us

Brunson is damn good, and played like it last playoffs, but the rest of the roster is suspect come playoff time, and we're already not good defensively, so we're not gonna have another gear to kick it into in the postseason

We'd be lucky to win 2 games.

Fixed

[thebuzzardman]

Hard not to like Josh Hart. Really hope his Knicks tenure is a success.

I'm sure there are at least 10 posters waiting to pounce on any fault, wishing for his demise.

[thebuzzardman]

We are still probably first round exit playoff team but you never know.

Thibs might be a liability in the playoffs too

Thibs' offense in the playoffs is awful.

Also, guys like Randle will wilt under more intense defensive pressure. You see what happens at the end of every game. Either he creates a turnover or takes a terrible shot when pressured by the defense. He's going to see that in every game once the playoffs start. People can celebrate regular season numbers but until this dude shows up in the playoffs he won't be taken seriously.

Yea, Thibs has been horrible in the playoffs. Too slow to adjust too. Series will be over by the time he finishes watching film of game 1 and adjusts

That's because VHS decks not that efficient.

Thibs probably has digital files converted to analog tape.

[spree2kawhi]

Over his last ten games, Josh Hart shot .208 from three. Just putting it out there.

That must be better than RJ, right? Right? ....right?

Good enough for a FRP. Hmm…

[KnicksGadfly]

After the Bucks and Celtics, what team is scary in the East

Philly would wreck our sh*t, especially if Mitch misses time

Cleveland is a bad matchup for us

There's 4 teams right there who are guaranteed to be higher seeds than us

Brunson is damn good, and played like it last playoffs, but the rest of the roster is suspect come playoff time, and we're already not good defensively, so we're not gonna have another gear to kick it into in the postseason

We'd be lucky to win 2 games.

Meh, Philly is a chokejob waiting to happen

Hey, it could happen. Thibs got Chicago with Nate Robinson through New Jersey. But now you got me thinking, how much do you think Josh Hart is gonna improve our chances? Let's say hypothetically, it's a 20-80 chance that we beat the Sixers, which seems high to me because you're asking to beat a team with stars that are able to gameplan for you over the course of a series. So...does Josh Hart add 10%? 5%? What do you think?

For me, I'm thinking, not high enough, and not worth it to give Hart a large contract on top of that. If I were to guess, if we beat Philly, it's going to because our stars stepped up. Maybe an injury to Embiid. If you don't want the pick, make a draft day trade. There are lots of options if you want to punt.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Doesn't work that way. At the least, they exchanged that trail for Hart, who was also a 1st rounder, so -1

=2

Then Atl used 2 picks to get Murray while the Knicks used 2 to get Hart...

Atlanta gave 4 picks including 3 unprotected for Murray. Knicks gave one protected and another heavily protected (for cam) for Hart.

But other than the fact they are very different I agree they are totally the same.

Why can’t people just enjoy best stretch of Knicks ball in last 20 years? Plus the fact they are doing with a young core with some homegrown talent.

Great point re why can‘t we enjoy this team. I think it is a bit of a grudge for the post Ewing years. I‘m a different personality re the Giants and Yanks.I‘m slowly becoming less critical of the Knicks even to the point of opening to Julius and not (completely) hating Thibs for making Obi a corner shooter or passing on players we needed in the draft.

It‘s a process.

[Polk377]

Then Atl used 2 picks to get Murray while the Knicks used 2 to get Hart...

Atlanta gave 4 picks including 3 unprotected for Murray. Knicks gave one protected and another heavily protected (for cam) for Hart.

But other than the fact they are very different I agree they are totally the same.

Why can’t people just enjoy best stretch of Knicks ball in last 20 years? Plus the fact they are doing with a young core with some homegrown talent.

Great point re why can‘t we enjoy this team. I think it is a bit of a grudge for the post Ewing years. I‘m a different personality re the Giants and Yanks.I‘m slowly becoming less critical of the Knicks even to the point of opening to Julius and not (completely) hating Thibs for making Obi a corner shooter or passing on players we needed in the draft.

It‘s a process.

Go read through that Iggy/Trier thread and look at all the garbage players we had to go through to get here. The nerve of people still complaining who can't enjoy a good team competing again for a playoff spot in a league with great parity.

[DOT]

Over his last ten games, Josh Hart shot .208 from three. Just putting it out there.

That must be better than RJ, right? Right? ....right?

RJ's at 34% over his last 10 games

Really he just had that 3 game stretch where he went 1-16. In the 7 games surrounding those 3 games, he's 18-40, or 45%

He's an okay shooter who goes cold for a few games every once in a while. But it's funny how he gets sh*t on like he's one of the worst shooters in the league by the same people who label Cam an elite 3-D prospect, when RJ this year is still shooting better than Cam's career average

He's at 33% from 3 for his career excluding the year he shot 40%. So much like with basically everything else, he's just okay at shooting.

[Fury]

With RJ, the thing to bank on is that he's gonna get stronger as he gets older. He's really young. The reps, and natural strength gained in his mid 20s is going to make a difference for him inside the paint and getting position. It'll make a difference for him because he has a big body for his size.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Grimes has bothered Mitchell every time we've played them and it's much easier to gameplan against 2 shot creators who are under 6'5" than it is against say Milwaukee with Giannis and Middleton or the Celtics with Tatum and Brown.

Who's guarding Garland in this scenario?

Brunson? RJ?

The only viable lineup would be to bench RJ for Hart, but then that gives them a favorable matchup on defense because they can put Garland/Mitchell on Grimes/Hart and not worry about it cause those guys aren't creating with the ball in their hands. Then it's either Okoro or LeVert on Brunson, and vice-versa. Okoro for defense when they need to stop Brunson, LeVert for offense when they need to take advantage of him. At best, it's a wash

And then you're hoping that Randle doesn't melt down again, which you need him to do against a great defensive frontcourt in Mobley/Allen

The only way it works in our favor is if we accept that Brunson is gonna have to go against Garland on both ends, and hope he's able to outduel him, and even then, he's likely not getting much help from the rest of the roster while Garland can lose more than he wins and still have the better support

Plus, Thibs is Thibs. He isn't gonna be able to adjust when things start going awry.

I get your point but teams are constantly switching, so to a point, the overall stronger lineups win.
I want to play Cleveland. As long as we give them a good run, I‘m ok.
I think we can best them though; we‘d have to just be at our peak then.
Hart might make a big difference.

[rajajackal]

hart was drafted by utah before being traded to LAL on draft night. does that make him a perrin guy?

[prophet_of_rage]

And Thibs is going to sample Hart for us to miss the playoffs. Hart will determine if he wants to stay base on the minutes giving to him the remainder of the season or he walks out but I see Thibs playing Hart to appease Leon Rose’s and FO’s mistakes.

he's gonna play hart because he likes guys who are good at defense

At the expense of whose minutes?

Grimes, IQ, or RJ

Grimes, RJ, McBride

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[ScienceOfLosing]

With RJ, the thing to bank on is that he's gonna get stronger as he gets older. He's really young. The reps, and natural strength gained in his mid 20s is going to make a difference for him inside the paint and getting position. It'll make a difference for him because he has a big body for his size.

I think that‘s the problem in that he appears to be getting slower.
Maybe he is meant to be a dominent bench guy or we need to have better defenders around him.
He‘s great at getting to the rim but his finishing is bleh.

[The Lamma]

Thibs' offense in the playoffs is awful.

Also, guys like Randle will wilt under more intense defensive pressure. You see what happens at the end of every game. Either he creates a turnover or takes a terrible shot when pressured by the defense. He's going to see that in every game once the playoffs start. People can celebrate regular season numbers but until this dude shows up in the playoffs he won't be taken seriously.

Yea, Thibs has been horrible in the playoffs. Too slow to adjust too. Series will be over by the time he finishes watching film of game 1 and adjusts

Thibs did adjust in the playoffs and his adjustment was terrible. We were tied 1-1 coming off a game that we lost on a buzzer beater and a win, and he benched the starting PG and Center and we lost in 3 straight blowouts. And that was the adjustment everyone wanted. We would likely have been better off had he not capitulated to demands to adjust something and kept going with what they did all season.

And Elfrid's mom let us know exactly how she felt about that

[Deeeez Knicks]

Thibs' offense in the playoffs is awful.

Also, guys like Randle will wilt under more intense defensive pressure. You see what happens at the end of every game. Either he creates a turnover or takes a terrible shot when pressured by the defense. He's going to see that in every game once the playoffs start. People can celebrate regular season numbers but until this dude shows up in the playoffs he won't be taken seriously.

Yea, Thibs has been horrible in the playoffs. Too slow to adjust too. Series will be over by the time he finishes watching film of game 1 and adjusts

Thibs did adjust in the playoffs and his adjustment was terrible. We were tied 1-1 coming off a game that we lost on a buzzer beater and a win, and he benched the starting PG and Center and we lost in 3 straight blowouts. And that was the adjustment everyone wanted. We would likely have been better off had he not capitulated to demands to adjust something and kept going with what they did all season.

Payton should have been benched months earlier. By then, it was too late. Keeping him in the starting lineup would have just been worse. We had 0 chance playing 3 on 5 like that