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2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins

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What do you think our chances are of winning the West and the Championship if we win the West?

20-30% we win west, 70-80% someone else in field does
6
10%
30-40% we win west, 60-70% someone else in field does
12
19%
40-50% we win west, 50-60% someone else in field does
7
11%
Greater than 50% we win west, less than 50% someone else in field does
5
8%
IF we win west, 50/50 chance we win vs east team
17
27%
IF we win west, greater than 50% chance we win vs east team
8
13%
IF we win west, less than 50% chance we win vs east team
7
11%
 
Total votes: 62

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Re: 2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins 

Post#1381 » by BobbieL » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:00 pm

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I wouldn't be shocked--and tbh, I'd be a little disappointed if Monty didn't do this--if Monty tries various lineups--the Big 4 + ...

Craig
Warren
D. Lee
Okogie
Ish
Bazley

while also weeing, what happens when the scorers (Booker & Durant) come off. Who are able to maintain the play when they go out...is it Bazley, and his athleticism?? Its it Warren with his midrange game?? Is it Okogie (or Bazley), being able to keep up the D that Durants provides while on the court?? Is it Lee, because he can score deep and Booker is out??

Anyway, Monty is shurely alreasdy gameplanning in his head to see how he believes what will work best. It's easy when the Big 4 are all in...anyone will look good with those 4, but as has been mentioned several times, what happens when they go down, or out?? Who, from the bench, shows the best promise to not give up the lead that our big guns have provided, and in 95% of the contests, when those 4 are starting, I expect to be up early, and often...who can we rely on to not lose it quickly...


How often do you think we won't have one of Booker, KD, or CP3 on the floor? Your question of where the offense comes from off the bench would be the same had we not traded for KD.

Book, CP3, and Durant can all run our offense as the primary ball-handler. Book and KD just need some shooters around them. CP3 just needs a lob threat and some shooters and cutters. For the regular season, we may have to rely on Shamet or Payne (if they ever come back) to run some all bench lineups for a few minutes, but come crunch time or playoff time, one of KD, Book, or CP3 will always be on the court to control things. The ability to have an elite scorer on the court at all times, both of whom are willing and capable passers as well, will increase the effectiveness our "bench" minutes by a lot.

Also, I am not counting on Warren yet, but if he can return to his 15-17 PPG form, then he'll be the ultimate bench scorer for us.


Thats a very good point. The Suns should be able to stagger Booker, Durant and Paul pretty well. And also Ayton - two of those four should be on the court - a lot - well if they can make the playoffs.

Warren being Tony Buckets would be a huge lift

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add Barton or Holiday - skip on Reggie Jackson if Payne is healthy
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Post#1383 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:01 pm

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matt131 wrote:Not sure if anyone pays for ESPN plus but this looks good

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/35631094/how-suns-deal-kevin-durant-came-together-fell-apart-shocked-nba

This line was where it cut off for free, but it had me intrigued: “Again, Durant told Marks he wanted to be traded. Only this time, Durant specifically asked to be traded to the Suns.

Durant didn't want a bidding war and days of being the target of intense speculation and online obsession.”


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I saw the clips and Ishbia caved on Bridges... he made it an emotion driven decision to me. My take: the hoopla of the day, becoming owner, blah blah blah

Should have called the Nets bluff until 12:59 on thursday


What clips? Where did you see them?

It's too bad he didn't hold out longer. If Durant was determined to be traded specifically to Phoenix, then yeah, we probably should have held a bit stronger and waited until the last minute trying to keep Bridges.

Also, is it keeping Bridges and putting Ayton in the deal, or were the Suns offering Cam+expirings+picks? That seems awfully low of a price to me when the Raptors wante Kuminga+Picks+Moody for OG.


Ishbia caved on Bridges. Then after that they wanted to add Crowder where we were going to trade elsewhere and Ishbia then said forget it, after he had just caved on Bridges. Later he thought about it at dinner and told Jones to call back and take it.

Jones would not have made the deal even with just Bridges and no Crowder in. Though it then would have been Crowder and Saric instead of salaries probably, but the Nets would have never done it without Bridges.
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Post#1384 » by TeamTragic » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:02 pm

matt131 wrote:Not sure if anyone pays for ESPN plus but this looks good

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/35631094/how-suns-deal-kevin-durant-came-together-fell-apart-shocked-nba

This line was where it cut off for free, but it had me intrigued: “Again, Durant told Marks he wanted to be traded. Only this time, Durant specifically asked to be traded to the Suns.

Durant didn't want a bidding war and days of being the target of intense speculation and online obsession.”

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Summary

- Nets wanted Bridges but SUNS din't want to move him
- SUNS agreed to include Bridges eventually
- Nets came back and said they wanted Crowder
- Matt went to dinner and decided that KD was worth adding Crowder
- SUNS called the Nets and KD was a SUN within the hour

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Post#1385 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:03 pm

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matt131 wrote:Not sure if anyone pays for ESPN plus but this looks good

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/35631094/how-suns-deal-kevin-durant-came-together-fell-apart-shocked-nba

This line was where it cut off for free, but it had me intrigued: “Again, Durant told Marks he wanted to be traded. Only this time, Durant specifically asked to be traded to the Suns.

Durant didn't want a bidding war and days of being the target of intense speculation and online obsession.”


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I saw the clips and Ishbia caved on Bridges... he made it an emotion driven decision to me. My take: the hoopla of the day, becoming owner, blah blah blah

Should have called the Nets bluff until 12:59 on thursday
I think what complicates that is I don't think Ayton could really be in the package because of his non trade clause. So the alternative path for salary was Dario and Shamet and that's a pretty big difference than Bridges.

It was probably Bridges or a hard no and talk again this summer.

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Post#1386 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:05 pm

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Interesting. Makes sense, with the Paul decline, Booker hampered, limited depth (not just after the trade but all season), and Ayton underachieving...regressing defensively and with efficiency (though his efficiency is likely due a lot to who he has been playing with and his own injuries)...and defense to a smaller degree.
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Post#1388 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:06 pm

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BobbieL wrote:
matt131 wrote:Not sure if anyone pays for ESPN plus but this looks good

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/35631094/how-suns-deal-kevin-durant-came-together-fell-apart-shocked-nba

This line was where it cut off for free, but it had me intrigued: “Again, Durant told Marks he wanted to be traded. Only this time, Durant specifically asked to be traded to the Suns.

Durant didn't want a bidding war and days of being the target of intense speculation and online obsession.”


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I saw the clips and Ishbia caved on Bridges... he made it an emotion driven decision to me. My take: the hoopla of the day, becoming owner, blah blah blah

Should have called the Nets bluff until 12:59 on thursday
I think what complicates that is I don't think Ayton could really be in the package because of his non trade clause. So the alternative path for salary was Dario and Shamet and that's a pretty big difference than Bridges.

It was probably Bridges or a hard no and talk again this summer.

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Ayton could have approved it. Brooklyn didn't want him. They wanted Bridges...non negotiable...and Cam..non negotiable..
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Post#1389 » by BobbieL » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:10 pm

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I saw the clips and Ishbia caved on Bridges... he made it an emotion driven decision to me. My take: the hoopla of the day, becoming owner, blah blah blah

Should have called the Nets bluff until 12:59 on thursday


What clips? Where did you see them?

It's too bad he didn't hold out longer. If Durant was determined to be traded specifically to Phoenix, then yeah, we probably should have held a bit stronger and waited until the last minute trying to keep Bridges.

Also, is it keeping Bridges and putting Ayton in the deal, or were the Suns offering Cam+expirings+picks? That seems awfully low of a price to me when the Raptors wante Kuminga+Picks+Moody for OG.


Ishbia caved on Bridges. Then after that they wanted to add Crowder where we were going to trade elsewhere and Ishbia then said forget it, after he had just caved on Bridges. Later he thought about it at dinner and told Jones to call back and take it.

Jones would not have made the deal even with just Bridges and no Crowder in. Though it then would have been Crowder and Saric instead of salaries probably, but the Nets would have never done it without Bridges.


This was an owner who finally is like the kid in the candy story spending all his money wanting to make an impression.

Jones was smart to not include Bridges. Ishbia overruled him - and thats why I think it was ego or emotion. And if Windhorst is right, he made the decision at dinner talking to his friends. Again, emotional - "hey lets do this" and they all take a shot and high five each other.

This decision was Sarver-esque to me when you include Mikal. Windhorst said the Nets never budged. The Suns should have waited them out if Durant was really only going to the Suns
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Post#1390 » by Qwigglez » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:12 pm

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What a horrible take. This seems like a take just to say hey we have a different perspective here. No duh the Suns still have holes, no duh the Suns were struggling this year. Suns have had injuries. :lol: Of course Durant isn't a guaranteed championship, it all comes down to health and some luck.
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Post#1391 » by BobbieL » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:13 pm

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Interesting. Makes sense, with the Paul decline, Booker hampered, limited depth (not just after the trade but all season), and Ayton underachieving...regressing defensively and with efficiency (though his efficiency is likely due a lot to who he has been playing with and his own injuries)...and defense to a smaller degree.


Exactly! This is why I wanted the longer term plan of keeping the core of BOoker, DA, Cam J and Bridges
keeping your picks
Its this year and maybe next and two years of Durant making 100m bucks with no cap space.

Plus - Durant is not healthy. Mikal plays every game.
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Post#1392 » by Qwigglez » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:18 pm

Also for anyone that is saying the Suns should have called Bridges or Cam, I don't think there is any time for that. I think the deal went through and it immediately went public for some reason or another. I don't think there is any disrespect coming out of it from the Suns side, I think James Jones would have called if he had the chance. The Suns and Nets played this one really close to not leak anything because I think Jones didn't want it to be known had the trade not gone through.
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Post#1393 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:19 pm

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Man, Durant gives us so much flexibility. We could roll with any of Craig, Warren, Bazley, Lee, Wainwright or Okogie in that fifth spot. Just depends on what we need - versatility, scoring, rebounding, shooting, toughness or defense. But you're right: it'll probably be Craig, since he's the most well-rounded vet, and we need TJ's scoring off the bench.

Still holding onto hope that Bazley earns that spot, though it seems unlikely due to his lack of experience.


We've been starting Craig all season. Not sure why that would change now, unless they think they need more offense in the starting unit. But I don't think they do.

Bazley couldn't even start in OKC. Being a championship contender he won't get much playing time outside of blowouts.


Mikal is a 3; KD a 4/3. Mikal doesn't rebound; KD does. Mikal defends the point of attack; KD does not. We just added three forwards to the roster. It's not clear Craig's our second-best forward (though he may be, all thing considered). He's struggled in late-game situations and alongside Ayton. He was a starter only because Cam was out and Crowder was gone. I expect Craig to start too but there are ample reasons to doubt it (after all, the other 4 starters are locks).

As for Bazley, each team is different. Thunder lack shooters and scorers, are developing players, lack size inside. We have a hole at the 4 on this team unless you consider Durant a 4... though he probably is. So you're probably right - we'll prefer a 3 next to Durant, which suggests we go with Craig or Lee.
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Post#1394 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:21 pm

Here is most of a Zach Lowe article about it....the part before and after it is mainly about other team's past moves similar to this (Lakers/Clips) and the other teams moves at the deadline the last couple days.

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Durant is 34. He hasn't played more than 55 games since 2018-19. He's injured now. Chris Paul is 37. He's in decline. He seems to get injured every postseason. Every team is at risk for injuries. The Suns have created a team that is probably more vulnerable to injury than the average top-heavy title contender. If they suffer an ill-timed injury, they won't necessarily be able to shrug and wail: How could we have seen that coming?

Meanwhile, Bridges is maybe the league's most durable player -- an archetypal 3-and-D guy on a killer contract. Johnson is a top-20 shooter who holds his own at multiple positions on defense. Both could start on title teams. They are more than footnotes to this trade. They leave voids.

The downside for Phoenix is Devin Booker potentially looking around in three seasons and wondering how in the hell he can win his first ring with whatever is left there and zero controllable first-round picks coming.

Fair or not, for this deal to feel like a win, the Suns almost have to win the title in the near future. When you trade this much, the goal is to be a clear favorite -- to be so good, people at least pause to think whether they'd take your team or the field to win the title. Remember last summer, when one of the big NBA debates was whether Boston should offer Jaylen Brown (and lots of other stuff, in fairness) to the Nets for Durant -- aging themselves up almost eight years? At that moment, the Celtics were arguably already the favorites to win the 2022-23 NBA title. The case in favor of going all-in for Durant anyway was the difference between maybe being slight favorites in a crowded field and overwhelming favorites over everyone.

This trade doesn't make the Suns overwhelming favorites. They might not even be the overall title favorites; Boston and Milwaukee both made small improvements at the trade deadline. Several Western Conference contenders took swings of varying degrees. The Denver Nuggets have a giant lead in the standings, enviable continuity, and a new backup center -- Thomas Bryant -- who should help them avoid falling into a total sinkhole whenever Nikola Jokic rests. (People are beating the Nuggets up for making only fringe moves, but they had no first-round picks available to trade.)

The No. 2 team in the West, the Memphis Grizzlies, found some much-needed shooting in Luke Kennard. Opposing offenses will hunt Kennard in the playoffs -- this is almost certainly why the Clippers traded him, along with concerns about Kennard's sometimes passive approach on offense -- but the Grizzlies are betting they have the defensive infrastructure to protect him. Even so, lineups with Kennard and Ja Morant will be shaky at the point of attack. Playing those two with Desmond Bane may make the Grizzlies too small. But the Grizzlies needed shooting, badly, and got one of the best shooters in the world.


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They also aimed higher. The Nets have been aware since July that Memphis was ready to trade every pick and swap of its own for Durant, sources said. (The Grizzlies have remained steadfast that Bane, Morant, and Jaren Jackson Jr. are 100% off the table in all talks, sources across the league said.) They didn't get far. Durant wanted the Suns, and the Nets worked with him to make that happen.

They offered three first-round picks to the Toronto Raptors for OG Anunoby, sources said, but Anunoby remains a Raptor. The Indiana Pacers also offered three first-round picks for Anunoby, sources said, but could not get a deal done. (The Pacers own extra picks from Boston and the Cleveland Cavaliers.) The Raptors made it clear in trade talks they wanted a high-level player or prospect along with draft picks in any Anunoby deal, sources said. The New Orleans Pelicans, another rumored Anunoby suitor, did not hold serious talks about him with the Raptors, sources said.

Saying the Durant deal leaves the Suns short of clear outright favorite status is not the same as saying they should not have made the deal, or that it is a bad one. With Paul at 37, they had two choices: trade Paul, take a step back, and rebuild around Booker or go all-in now. (It was reported elsewhere the Suns contemplated a middle way in which they might have traded Paul, Crowder, and a draft asset to Brooklyn for Irving. Something about that never passed the smell test. The Suns were rising in the Orlando bubble, before Paul got there, but Paul stamped them as a serious franchise for the first time since Seven Seconds or Less and helped them to their first Finals since 1993. He is dropping off with age, but you're trading that player -- plus other valuable stuff! -- for an impending free agent with, let's say, occasional availability issues? That seems like a lot.)

As our Adrian Wojnarowski reported, the Suns were on the verge of pivoting to a 3-team trade that would have netted them the Atlanta Hawks John Collins -- without trading any of the players they ended up sending to Brooklyn, per league sources. That is another sort of middle approach -- beefing up around Booker and Paul, but something short of a drastic all-in move. The Suns were 9-2 in their final 11 games before the trade deadline. Paul played in the last nine of those after returning from injury. Booker is back now. They won 64 games last season. Could they have added one more player -- i.e., Collins -- and vaulted back toward the top of the conference without surrendering Bridges, Johnson, or any picks?

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Toward the top? Sure. At the top or over it? Probably not -- not with Paul's up-and-down play at age 37, or what we glimpsed of the Suns in last season's playoffs. The Durant path gives them better title odds now and for the next two or three seasons.

The revamped Suns are going to be awesome. Durant is the most malleable superstar in NBA history -- comfortable with or without the ball, elite at literally every subset of offense. He has also been a terror on defense this season, and the Suns will need him to defend and rebound at peak levels. (Rebounding looms as a weakness.)

With decent health, he should age about as well as any star player ever (other than perhaps the two guys who exchanged the all-time scoring record this week.) Even if Paul is gone from Phoenix in two seasons, the Suns could still have a window to contend around Booker and Durant. That alone bolsters the case for this deal.

Durant and Paul are two of the greatest midrange shooters and crunch-time players in the history of the sport. Booker is one of their heirs in that regard. In high-stakes games, Monty Williams can keep two of Durant, Paul, and Booker on the floor at all times.

The NBA world is down on Deandre Ayton, and the relationships between Ayton and some of the team's key stakeholders have been frosty at times.

But Ayton is a good player. He is a solid and versatile defender. There are not many big men who can corral pick-and-rolls at the 3-point arc and jostle with Nikola Jokic in the post. Ayton is one. He is going to walk into 18 points screening for Paul, Booker, and Durant, and rumbling to the rim. One of those three ball handlers -- Durant -- is an accomplished screener who can set picks for Booker and Paul. Switch, and Durant abuses smaller players in the post. Hedge, and he flares for open 3s or slips to the rim for 4-on-3 situations. Drop back, and the midrange gods rain midrange fury.

Paul and Booker are good screeners in their own right. Booker has a bruising post game. If it comes to it in the playoffs, the Suns will have myriad ways to go at Jokic.

The depth is shaky, but workable. Torrey Craig has been invaluable as a fill-in starter all season, and probably rounds out the starting five for now. Warren logged only 19 minutes per game for Brooklyn, but he's shooting 57% on 2s; he'll either challenge Craig for that starting spot or provide bench scoring and lineup versatility. (If the Suns want to play Durant at center in some matchups, they have just enough perimeter players to do it.)

The rest of the bench is pretty anonymous, but those anonymous guys -- Damion Lee, Josh Okogie, the double-headed center of Bismack Biyombo and Jock Landale -- have been doing sturdy, tough work on both ends all season. Cameron Payne and Landry Shamet form a legit postseason backup backcourt, and the Suns will explore the buyout market -- looking frothy by buyout market standards! -- for more help.
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Post#1395 » by matt131 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:23 pm

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Warning...it's long.....I kind of think had the Suns not agreed to the 4 unprotected picks, Bridges and Cam, Brooklyn would have called them back the next day and reduced it a bit..they would have still wanted Bridges and Cam but maybe allow some protections..slight ones. Probably not much of a difference maker. But the fact we agreed and then they added Crowder to the ask. They just got greedy. I bet anything they would have called us back the next day and taken it without Crowder. No way if they felt it was time to move on that it was their deal breaker (then again, it shouldn't have been ours either....but I also don't know what standing offers we may have had for Crowder).

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A LITTLE AFTER after 12 a.m. ET Thursday, the Brooklyn Nets' front office decided to call it a night. They'd take a car back to a local hotel where they had holed up as a group for trade deadline week to carry out what had turned into a sad mission: the final dismantling of the greatest superteam that never was.

The Nets had been waiting for the past couple of hours for their counterparts with the Phoenix Suns, who 2,500 miles away were pacing around their darkened practice facility looking at spreadsheets and whiteboards, to decide whether they would meet the Nets' steep asking price for their superstar forward.

"Nobody wants to give up Kevin Durant," Nets general manager Sean Marks told ESPN. "There's so many things that make him special. They don't come around very often and our franchise is better off because we had him here. There's no question of that."

On Monday afternoon, Durant and his business partner Rich Kleiman had asked for a meeting. It was a somber one. Less than 24 hours earlier the Nets had traded Kyrie Irving to the Dallas Mavericks after a whirlwind three days of action. Now Durant was repeating the words he had said on the eve of free agency last June that had turned the NBA on its side for weeks.

Again, Durant told Marks he wanted to be traded. Only this time, Durant specifically asked to be traded to the Suns. The group then Facetimed Nets owner Joe Tsai, who was at his home in San Diego, with the decision.

It was not fiery. It was a request, not a demand like Irving had made of the Nets the previous Friday. More importantly, in stark contrast to Durant's public trade request last June and Irving's maneuver this was to stay a private appeal. Durant didn't want a bidding war and days of being the target of intense speculation and online obsession.

Keeping it quiet was not a simple ask.

Indeed, Durant knew the Suns wanted him; he'd grown close to franchise star Devin Booker when the two played together on Team USA at the Tokyo Olympics in 2021. The national team has been fertile ground for superteam incubation ever since LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh built their bonds on their own trip to Japan in 2006.

In Durant and Booker's case, it was a crash course. With heavy COVID-19 measures in place for three solitary weeks, the Team USA members were together nonstop. And the two basketball-obsessed stars were drawn to each other. Neither probably should've been there, Durant had just completed his first season after returning from a torn Achilles and easily could have chosen to rest. Booker had just suffered a devastating loss in the Finals where his Suns had blown a 2-0 series lead following a grueling season.

But both are deeply dedicated to the game and just wanted to win. Their experience together was so rewarding, they pondered doing it some day in the NBA.


Durant told the Nets he'd play out the rest of this 2022-23 season if they couldn't find a way to route him to be alongside Booker and future Hall of Famer Chris Paul in Phoenix. And he would find a way to get excited about winning with the players Brooklyn had acquired from Dallas in its trade for Irving the day before.

When Durant had asked for a trade last summer, it wasn't a goodbye but the start of an exploration that was eventually set aside. But after an emotionally draining eight months since, what was left unsaid was clear this time.

Both sides knew this marriage was finally at the end. The only question was whether the divorce came now or after the season.

"At some point, there's just a fatigue," one source close to the process said. "There's just too much drama. Too much uncertainty."

That fatigue isn't why you agree to a deal in the end. It's how you accept it.

But the third wheel in this breakup, the Suns, were in a complicated place themselves. They were days away from changing ownership in the wake of the misconduct investigation that had banished previous owner Robert Sarver. The new face of the team, billionaire mortgage magnate Mat Ishbia, only met his front-office leaders in person the previous Saturday. He hadn't even closed on the deal to take over the team yet; that was scheduled for Tuesday.

How could the Suns possibly execute a trade, one that would perhaps be the biggest transaction in team history, under such circumstances?

Last summer the Suns were instantly identified as a possible fit in a Durant trade because they had everything Brooklyn would need: all of their future draft picks plus a group of multi-talented young wing players the Nets could use as the foundation of a rebuild.

Back then the Suns had been cautious, they recoiled at the price the Nets wanted and internally were concerned over the huge financial cost for bringing Durant in. Marks and Suns president James Jones had met in Las Vegas during the NBA's summer league; it was not a productive session, so the sides walked away.

But, Tsai knew Ishbia personally and they liked each other. When Ishbia was in the years-long process of looking to become an NBA team owner, he had attended several Nets games as a guest of Tsai's to see how Brooklyn did business. They had each other's phone number. Tsai had just cast the Nets franchise's vote in support of Ishbia's purchase.

That is where this Durant megadeal started: an owner-to-owner call on Monday afternoon as Tsai told his new colleague that his first ballot Hall of Fame superstar wanted to be in Phoenix.

When Marks followed up with Jones, though, the ask was just as sky high as it was last summer. It was take-a-deep breath high:

Four unprotected first-round picks. No negotiation.

An unprotected pick swap in 2028, likely after Durant is retired. No negotiation.

Mikal Bridges, the forward who hadn't missed a game in three seasons, is a lock for All-Defensive team, is having the best offensive season in his career and is deeply loved by everyone in the organization. No negotiation.

Cameron Johnson, the long defensive specialist who can defend multiple possessions and handle the ball. No negotiation.

James, of course, tried to negotiate. Would the Nets take another player besides Bridges because the Suns really, really did not want to trade him. As it turns out, that specific request last summer had essentially killed the deal at the meeting in Vegas.

No, Marks said, Bridges had to be in it.

What about one fewer first-rounder? What about some protection on the later picks? Hard no.

This was awkward because the Suns were in Brooklyn, playing at Barclays Center Tuesday night. James and team vice president Ryan Resch were in town as the talks remained quiet in the face of the raging rumor inferno of deadline week.

Tuesday passed -- the Suns won the game by four points and Bridges and Johnson were good, combining for 35 points unaware of what was happening -- with Durant sitting on the bench with a knee injury. He had not made a statement since the Irving trade and would stay to himself this night, too.

James and Resch took a commercial flight home to Phoenix from Newark, New Jersey, to be there for Ishbia's first day as owner. They stayed in touch with Ishbia but there was no traction on a deal. But the price. How could they pay the price?

The Nets knew the Suns were working through other trade scenarios. It was unclear if they had decided to go in another direction. Marks and the Nets had been on the other side of blockbuster trades each of the past three years as they built the superteam they were now disassembling.

They knew what it felt like to get all the way to "yes" on a deal like this. There was no animosity. It was just time for bed.

IN THE MODERN NBA, one team's rise usually stems from another team's fall. The Nets were birthed from the wreckage of the 2019 Golden State Warriors and Boston Celtics when Durant and Irving left their respective teams in free agency to team up in Brooklyn.

It is no coincidence the Nets' final fall came after the Warriors and Celtics met in the Finals last June, with the latter getting there by sweeping the Nets in the first round.

That was a tough pill to swallow, especially for Durant. What did it mean for the Warriors to win another title before him? How could a team with Durant and Irving get swept out of the playoffs? Could he wait on Ben Simmons to regain his form? Could he trust his future success to Irving anymore?

At age 34, Durant didn't have time to waste with big questions like these. He wanted to win and didn't see that path open in Brooklyn anymore.

The Nets told him they'd look for a trade, but would only move forward if it was in the franchise's best interest. Durant had little leverage, having just agreed to a four-year, $194 million extension the previous offseason.

The Nets had tried to lock up Irving and James Harden on similar extensions, too. When they passed, that should have been the tip to all involved that something was fundamentally amiss with this superstar alignment.


In August, when no trades were forthcoming, Durant and Tsai met in person on back-to-back days while both were in London, sources said. Durant laid out his concerns with the franchise. Tsai listened and tried to calm things down enough that they could move forward together, which they ultimately did with a joint news release following a third face-to-face meeting in late August in Los Angeles.

It all might have worked had Durant not injured his knee on Jan. 15. The Nets had won 20 of 22 games heading into that game against Miami. They had largely survived the chaos Irving caused by tweeting a link to an antisemitic film in October. But when Durant went down, Irving sensed an opportunity.

He stepped up his play, averaging 30.3 points and 6.9 assists, reminding the Nets and everyone else how brilliant a basketball player he is.

Irving's value to the Nets and around the league hadn't been as high in years. He was single handedly keeping the team in contention until Durant could return from injury.

Irving then decided it was the perfect moment to leverage the Nets into a contract extension.

First came a public statement from his agent, stepmother Shetellia Riley-Irving, that Irving would love to stay in Brooklyn long term, but the "ball was in [the Nets] court" when it came to extending him.

The Nets were willing to discuss extensions for up to three seasons, but only if Irving would agree to some conditions that would protect the team if he didn't play enough games, since he'd missed more than 100 games since arriving in Brooklyn. Irving wanted a longer extension with no conditions.

There was no progress, so with the trade deadline less than a week away, Irving had his agent call Marks on the morning of Friday, Feb. 3, to demand a trade. It was a short phone call. Five minutes at most, sources said.

Tsai was in Hong Kong, 13 hours ahead, and fast asleep when Irving requested the trade. He awoke to a confusing blitz of text messages. But the path forward was clear.

Last summer they'd given Irving permission to look for trades but knew it was likely he would end up staying and they were willing to bring him back, hopefully motivated, for the last year of his contract. But now, after this demand and at this time and with everything that had happened, the Nets decided it was time to move on.

They would solicit offers and trade Irving as soon as possible. When Durant found out, he wasn't pleased with the situation, but multiple sources said he didn't immediately tie his future to Irving's.

Within hours, the Nets fielded several compelling offers for Irving. Of course, the Los Angeles Lakers were among the teams that reached out. The idea of re-pairing LeBron James with his 2016 championship teammate was irresistible, even with their baggage from another Irving trade demand a year afterward.

The issue was the Lakers' offer centered around their own troubled guard, Russell Westbrook, and two future first-round picks. There were also exploratory discussions with the LA Clippers and Suns, unaware of Durant's coming intentions, with various young players and draft compensation.

But it was the Mavericks' offer of Dorian Finney-Smith, Spencer Dinwiddie and a future first-round pick that the Nets preferred as they tried to stay competitive with Durant. Which, for that moment, was a priority.

The Nets had no interest in any deal involving Westbrook, sources said. His $47 million contract would add tens of millions to Brooklyn's luxury tax bill, and Westbrook had gone through his own messy breakup with Durant in Oklahoma City. While the Lakers' draft compensation was formidable, the Nets preferred the players they were getting from Dallas because of their value around the league, particularly Finney-Smith, and the simplicity of the deal. Any Lakers deal would've needed a third team to take on Westbrook. In the end, it wasn't that hard of a choice to decide the preferred offer to move on Irving.

The Mavericks understood the risks that come with Irving, regarding his track record of bitter breakups with teams, as well as his contract expiring this summer with no assurances that he would re-sign in Dallas.

The Mavericks decided it was much riskier to pass on this chance to acquire the co-superstar they had long been seeking to pair with Luka Doncic.

"Go for it. We need talent. He's a Hall of Fame player, and I love to play with talent," Mavs governor Mark Cuban said, paraphrasing the discussion with Doncic about trading for Irving. "Why wouldn't you take that chance?"

ISHBIA WOKE UP Wednesday in Detroit, and boarded his private plane and flew to Phoenix with his three children and other family members. He went straight to the arena and held an exciting all-hands meeting with the Suns staff at the Footprint Center, followed by a classic all-smiles introductory news conference where he laid out his vision of bringing the Suns their first championship. Typical Day 1 owner stuff.

Then, some unprecedented Day 1 owner stuff.

Ishbia made the 15-minute drive to the Suns' new practice facility with his brother, team co-owner Justin, for an important meeting. They joined Jones and Resch in Jones' second-floor glass-walled office overlooking the practice courts.

A few days earlier, a moving crew had come to clear out Sarver's office and the giant Harley-Davidson Sarver had parked inside it. Now, the new owner was about to consider the biggest decisions in the history of the franchise.

For more than four hours, the Suns' braintrust haggled over the Durant matter. Ishbia is a massive basketball fan -- he was on the Michigan State team that won the national championship in 2000 -- and he had studied and knew all the players in the deal well. But he was still learning how NBA trades work.

Resch produced a binder with all sorts of versions of the trade mapped out. But there was one number Jones and Resch were nervous about presenting: The $40 million the deal would cost in additional luxury tax. Before this season, Sarver had agreed to pay only $14 million in luxury taxes in total during his 19-year ownership, though he was going to spend more this year.

Ishbia agreed to the new costs in seconds. Maybe this was, after all, a new era in Phoenix.

But about the players and picks, that was tougher. Typically a team needs multiple bids to extract the best offer. In this case, the Nets' leverage on Phoenix was the exclusive negotiating window Ishbia and the Suns had to land the two-time Finals MVP. After the season, the rest of the league would get its chance. In real estate, brokers call that a pocket listing.

Ishbia made his fortune in the mortgage industry. He understood the tactic and the stakes.

Typically at his company, United Wholesale Mortgage, Ishbia bans cell phones in meetings. This time was different. For hours on Wednesday, calls and texts went back-and-forth between Phoenix and Brooklyn. And, in turn, communication took place from the Nets to Durant and Kleiman, as they were kept in the loop throughout the process.

OK, the Suns decided at long last. They would meet the price. Four firsts. The swap. Johnson. And, this was the tough one, Bridges too.

It was emotional in Brooklyn. Marks and his team had worked so hard with Tsai to build what they thought was a championship roster. It wasn't so long ago they were on the opposite side of this, convincing themselves to go all in with their draft picks and young players to get Harden at the trade deadline in 2021. Now, for the third time in a year, they were trading away a future Hall of Famer.

The deal got close. The adrenaline started going. But there was one problem. Now the Nets also wanted Jae Crowder, who the Suns had wanted to keep and make another trade with (the same reason Brooklyn wanted him).

This, for the moment, was the dealbreaker for the Suns' decision-makers.

With the deal off, the Ishbias left and went to a celebratory dinner at their hotel. After all, they'd just made a $4 billion purchase of an NBA team.

But it was a distracted meal at best. The phone kept ringing with James or Resch on the other line. They'd been talking to the Atlanta Hawks about trading for young forward John Collins instead. At one point, it looked like they might have a deal in place with the Hawks and the Detroit Pistons that would have landed Collins.

The Suns had liked Collins for months and worked to figure out a way to get him. But he wasn't Durant. At the team hotel, this was on Ishbia's mind.

"It's so rare to get a chance at trading for a top-five player," Ishbia told a friend as he sat at the table. He said it several times over. He couldn't get it out of his head.

Around 10:45 p.m. in Phoenix, 12:45 a.m. in Brooklyn, Ishbia called Jones. They would add the Crowder piece and agree to the deal.

Marks and the Nets' front office were still in the car when the call came in. They made a U-turn. It was back to the office. Within an hour.

It was done.

The phones were also ringing in Atlanta, where the Suns had flown after their game in Brooklyn for a Thursday matchup against the Hawks. The news was breathtaking and emotional. The front office had just executed what might go down as the biggest trade in deadline day history, but the team had to say goodbye to Bridges and Johnson, pillars of the organization for the previous four to five years and a part of the franchise's turnaround from lottery-dweller to Finals team.

Thursday morning, Suns coach Monty Williams canceled shootaround and the team met in a ballroom in their Buckhead hotel. There were tears. There were tears back in Phoenix too, as the Suns formally set up a trade call with the league to finalize the deal.

In Brooklyn, the Nets were emotionally spent. Saying goodbye to Irving was complicated. Saying goodbye to Durant was heartbreaking. Under all the stress the organization had lived through for the previous four years, Durant had been a beacon of light.

They considered it an honor to have him on their team and there was some measure of positivity that they'd sent him where he wanted to go.

They will move on with a new roster and more than a dozen draft picks they acquired over the previous few days. But not making it work with Irving, Durant and Harden will always hurt.

Something Irving, in the end, felt too.

"I think I would like to say something about the superteam of me, James [Harden] and KD that everyone thinks should have worked," Irving said after joining the Mavericks this week. "We played very limited time together, and there were a lot of injuries that took place. I would have liked to see that work for the long term, but there are no mistakes and no coincidences and you gotta move forward."



Thanks for posting this!

A very interesting read even if you aren't a fan of either team. I love reading about the inner-working of NBA front offices. While I wish we could have kept Bridges, it sure sounds like the Nets were not going to budge. Durant even told them if they didn't get the trade done, he'd learn to be excited about the new guys on the Nets. The stupidest part of all this is the Crowder thing. It's stupid in that the Nets went back on their word and demanded him after we agreed to their initial offer and stupid in that had we found this out and realized that JAE FLIPPING CROWDER was the reason we didn't trade for Durant...lol that would have been sucky, even if we did end up keeping our team and trading for Collins or whatever (not sure how that works with Ayton on the floor and Collins' finger issue, but still). It sounds like if we truly wanted Durant, this was the price and there was no negotiating, just accepting of fate. I don't like that Mat's first trade is one where he basically just caved, but hopefully regarding deals that are less historic, we are a bit more firm or tactful in negotiations.

The funniest line of all this: "Cameron Johnson, the long defensive specialist who can defend multiple possessions and handle the ball." Lol is that how people think of Cam Johnson? Not a shooter? haha made me laugh
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Post#1396 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:25 pm

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Man, Durant gives us so much flexibility. We could roll with any of Craig, Warren, Bazley, Lee, Wainwright or Okogie in that fifth spot. Just depends on what we need - versatility, scoring, rebounding, shooting, toughness or defense. But you're right: it'll probably be Craig, since he's the most well-rounded vet, and we need TJ's scoring off the bench.

Still holding onto hope that Bazley earns that spot, though it seems unlikely due to his lack of experience.


We've been starting Craig all season. Not sure why that would change now, unless they think they need more offense in the starting unit. But I don't think they do.

Bazley couldn't even start in OKC. Being a championship contender he won't get much playing time outside of blowouts.


Mikal is a 3; KD a 4/3. Mikal doesn't rebound; KD does. Mikal defends the point of attack; KD does not. We just added three forwards to the roster. It's not clear Craig's our second-best forward (though he may be, all thing considered). He's struggled in late-game situations and alongside Ayton. He was a starter only because Cam was out and Crowder was gone. I expect Craig to start too but there are ample reasons to doubt it (after all, the other 4 starters are locks).

As for Bazley, each team is different. Thunder lack shooters and scorers, are developing players, lack size inside. We have a hole at the 4 on this team unless you consider Durant a 4... though he probably is. So you're probably right - we'll prefer a 3 next to Durant, which suggests we go with Craig or Lee.


KD is more of a 3. We played Craig some at the 3 and Mikal at the 2 as well this year...mostly with Saric...a little with Landale. Lee would be a good starter if we felt we were good enough on D. I think the main reason we want Craig is to take on the toughest defensive assignment. Luka, one of the Clippers big 2, etc...I don't see Lee doing that. Okogie has had a couple nice games but he is not a playoff starter.
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Post#1397 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:27 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Also for anyone that is saying the Suns should have called Bridges or Cam, I don't think there is any time for that. I think the deal went through and it immediately went public for some reason or another. I don't think there is any disrespect coming out of it from the Suns side, I think James Jones would have called if he had the chance. The Suns and Nets played this one really close to not leak anything because I think Jones didn't want it to be known had the trade not gone through.


If you read the long article, when Ishbia called Jones and told him to go ahead and take the offer (after they had ended talks with Brooklyn a couple hours earlier), Jones could have easily called Bridges and Jones first. KD wasn't going anywhere.
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Post#1398 » by Qwigglez » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:30 pm

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This was an owner who finally is like the kid in the candy story spending all his money wanting to make an impression.

Jones was smart to not include Bridges. Ishbia overruled him - and thats why I think it was ego or emotion. And if Windhorst is right, he made the decision at dinner talking to his friends. Again, emotional - "hey lets do this" and they all take a shot and high five each other.

This decision was Sarver-esque to me when you include Mikal. Windhorst said the Nets never budged. The Suns should have waited them out if Durant was really only going to the Suns


I think while that can be true about making an emotional decision, I imagine as a business owner sometimes these once in a life deals only happen... once in a lifetime and you can let it slip by and wonder what if forever. He didn't want to second guess that decision and I respect that.

Ultimately, the Suns had their best chance at a title the last two years. There was a lot of injuries that occurred and it gave the Suns a position to be crowned the best team in basketball. It only came down to a few possessions against the Bucks, and then last year the team fell apart due to their own injuries. With Paul getting older, and the team not really taking that next level of growth and development, there really was never going to be another title shot with this core group of players unless more injuries occurred to other teams. So while it would have been fun to watch our home grown guys year in and year out in Booker, Ayton, Bridges, and Cam Johnson they likely wouldn't have made it to a championship. And that is fine for many teams, Blazers do that, Pacers do that, but Booker wants to be the best, and he would have asked out most likely if the Suns kept coming up short.

I will say... if the Nets really asked for CP3, Crowder and 3 1st for Kyrie Suns should have done that. I would have enjoyed that a lot more since Bridges and Cam Johnson would still be part of the team. I do think Nets might have still said no because they felt Durant would likely still ask out.
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Post#1399 » by matt131 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:32 pm

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What clips? Where did you see them?

It's too bad he didn't hold out longer. If Durant was determined to be traded specifically to Phoenix, then yeah, we probably should have held a bit stronger and waited until the last minute trying to keep Bridges.

Also, is it keeping Bridges and putting Ayton in the deal, or were the Suns offering Cam+expirings+picks? That seems awfully low of a price to me when the Raptors wante Kuminga+Picks+Moody for OG.


Ishbia caved on Bridges. Then after that they wanted to add Crowder where we were going to trade elsewhere and Ishbia then said forget it, after he had just caved on Bridges. Later he thought about it at dinner and told Jones to call back and take it.

Jones would not have made the deal even with just Bridges and no Crowder in. Though it then would have been Crowder and Saric instead of salaries probably, but the Nets would have never done it without Bridges.


This was an owner who finally is like the kid in the candy story spending all his money wanting to make an impression.

Jones was smart to not include Bridges. Ishbia overruled him - and thats why I think it was ego or emotion. And if Windhorst is right, he made the decision at dinner talking to his friends. Again, emotional - "hey lets do this" and they all take a shot and high five each other.

This decision was Sarver-esque to me when you include Mikal. Windhorst said the Nets never budged. The Suns should have waited them out if Durant was really only going to the Suns


While I don't disagree with your analysis, Durant telling the Nets that if they couldn't find the right deal for him that he would play with the new guys and get excited about it is what really killed this for us. It needed to be "Suns or I'm sitting out." Nets had no pressure whatsoever to move him. They asked for all that they wanted and got it. Yes, we could have waited until the offseason, but at that point who knows what happens. What if the Nets are super good and make it to the ECF? Does Durant still want to leave? What if another team throws a better deal together and Durant eventually says "okay, i'll play for them."? Nets had no pressure and the Suns needed to do this now if they wanted the assurance of actually landing him. Yes, it's unfortunate that the decision process seemed a bit rash or like he made it with friends, but Jones was there when they decided to include Bridges.

If Bridges and Cam and the picks were non-negotiables, I wonder how many people here would have stopped the deal just because we thought we'd fill that fifth starter spot with the Crowder trade and didn't want to send him to the Nets? I think maybe I would have called the Nets back and said "Look, we agreed to your SUPER high demand without any negotiation or lowering of cost. You need to relent on Crowder." I would have still gone through with it had they said no, but you had to at least try.
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Post#1400 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:33 pm

Lots of risk talk but let's not act like there wasn't risk in not making the move. Keeping moving forward with a core of Booker, Cam, Bridges and Ayton could have slowly faded from contender relevancy (could argue it already had this year). Injuries could happen to any of those guys and their contracts become anchors overnight. Yeah you have draft picks, but we've all witnessed how that doesn't assure **** either.

There's risk in any path you take team building.

Personally I've been preaching since this summer they needed to find a second star to pair with Booker if they want to be real contenders now and in the near future. I simply did not believe Ayton, Bridges, or Cam could be that guy. If you do believe that then I get why you wouldn't want this deal.
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